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Quote: zer0dch

"Not that many Sonic games are that bad/broken"

Um, yes, there are indeed that many. I didn't even go into some of the other titles.

The Sonic games were the glitchiest games I've played until I played Skate 3.

Again it comes down to subjective opinions. Like the games you listed above? I like Adventure 2, Heroes, Colors, Generations, and 4. They aren't actually broken products like 06, Boom, Labyrinth, or Free Riders. Even Sonic games that I think are bad like Shadow, Black Knight, and Unleashed aren't actually broken and objectively bad, even despite my opinions (I think Black Knight is one of the worst games in the franchise).

Same thing with how, while I'm starting to dislike NSMB and don't like Paper Mario, they aren't broken games and objectively bad. And while I haven't played Sunshine, I doubt that one's broken either.

At this point you guys are taking a debate that was supposed to be about objectively bad games and instead using subjective opinions (e.g. I didn't like the 3D sections of Generations) to build the argument for you.

Quote: CAV

Again it comes down to subjective opinions. Like the games you listed above? I like Adventure 2, Heroes, Colors, Generations, and 4. They aren't actually broken products like 06, Boom, Labyrinth, or Free Riders. Even Sonic games that I think are bad like Shadow, Black Knight, and Unleashed aren't actually broken and objectively bad, even despite my opinions (I think Black Knight is one of the worst games in the franchise).

Same thing with how, while I'm starting to dislike NSMB and don't like Paper Mario, they aren't broken games and objectively bad. And while I haven't played Sunshine, I doubt that one's broken either.

At this point you guys are taking a debate that was supposed to be about objectively bad games and instead using subjective opinions (e.g. I didn't like the 3D sections of Generations) to build the argument for you.

Try playing Adventures 2 and Heroes in 2015. They've aged like crap...and Heroes was never good to begin with. I knocked Colors down for its abysmal boost 3D speed focused segments. It's not an awful game, but it could have been much better if Sega (is Sonic Team still around?) focused solely on sidescrolling platforming. 4 is legitimately broken in regards to its physics and feel.

I'm not sure how you can enjoy the majority of these games in 2015. They've either aged, were never good to start with, awkward (Lost World...jesus), or broken. The exception here is Generations for its great sidescrolling classic segments. Hell, the sidescrolling modern segments were good too.

If you can play Adventure 2, Heroes, and 4 in 2015 and legitimately tell me they are great titles worth owning then you sure would surprise me, bud.

I have played them both fairly recently. Heroes is definitely a mixed bag and there are just as many things I dislike about it as there are things I do like. But the game isn't fundamentally broken like other titles being mentioned.

Being completely honest with you, I actually prefer the 3D segments of Generations. Side scrolling is great in it and Colors but the modern Sonic segments of Generations are downright fantastic.
4 definitely has some physics problems but I find it as a decent title. It doesn't hold up compared to 2 and 3 but I didn't find it painful to experience either unlike other Sonic titles.

I guess I'm full of surprises. Adventure 2 is legitimately one of my favorite titles even in 2015. Nostalgia does admittedly play a role but I can still go back and enjoy the game, as opposed to other Sonic games that I find bad to the point where nostalgia means nothing (Shadow the Hedgehog; Adventure DX).

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At this point you guys are taking a debate that was supposed to be about objectively bad games and instead using subjective opinions (e.g. I didn't like the 3D sections of Generations) to build the argument for you.

But when a game is horribly broken like Sonic '06 or Rise of Lyric, it's not opinion, it's proof it's a ****ty game.

I'm not even taking a side myself. I just get kinda sick of people acting like mindlessly hating on Sonic and ignoring other franchises with similar flaws, is still this cool thing to do. People have accepted the Sonic franchise as fine since Unleashed. Rise of Lyric was a TV show tie-in not even made by Sonic Team, so it really doesn't mean anything for the grand image of the franchise (especially since the Boom TV Show and toyline are still very successful despite the bad rep of the games).

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Okay, on topic:

Mass Effect
Titanfall
Metroid
Destiny
Ghost Recon

Regarding the whole Mario-Sonic debate:

sonicbrawler makes an excellent point, at least by the sonic community standards. Secret Rings is really the only objectively bad sonic game i can think of that hasn't been mentioned yet, but sonic has still had a decent record after 06. i think it should also be mentioned that the handheld sonic games are great by the community's standards, some arguably better than the console games sonic has been getting (i.e. sonic rush releasing with shadow the hedgehog).

Has sonic has his low points? Hell yeah. I hate Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog, and Secret Rings is the worst game I've ever played. But that doesn't mean his high points don't exist either. Colors and Generations are loved by a LOT of the sonic fanbase. though there's really not much else about the series that i can say that hasn't been said already.

however, Mario is not free from his share of bad games either. unless i missed something, i don't think anyone has mentioned Hotel Mario yet. I think everyone wants to forget that disaster. Pretty much half of the Mario Party series has gotten a lot of flak from critics and fans alike. from what i've seen, NSMB2 has gotten crap as well for being an exact rehash of the other games(though i can't prove anything for that besides what critics have said about the game, since i haven't played it). a lot of people really dislike the lost levels. not a lot people seemed to like super princess peach. Mario Super Sluggers has a lot of mediocre reception behind it. As for Sunshine, fan response for that is extremely mixed. Some people love it, some people hate it. and both for completely valid reasons. and this is subjective, but i REALLY hated Paper Mario: Sticker Star.

Mario is an excellent franchise, but that doesn't mean it hasn't had its low points. No franchise is perfect.

Regardless, most of you guys need to stop being so stuck up and acting like people are being butthurt just because they're defending a franchise they love. Just because you guys don't like a game or have different thoughts on one does not mean someone has bad taste. you guys are so hell bent on proving why Sonic is bad, or why Mario is bad or perfect when it's just making you guys come off as jerks. Your opinion is not rooted in fact, stop acting like it is for god's sake. no one has bad tastes or is butthurt, it's different interests.

Unleashed. Damn. No one even mentioned that, and I totly forgot about it...looks like the masses forgot about the game. Why?

It was awful. The only good parts of Unleashed were the main day time stages, which Generation's did better. Although, both of those are not the direction Sonic should head in.

2/3 of the game is Were-hog and hub worlds, needing to collect medals to progress. It was an awful, awful idea.

^I mentioned Unleashed. I don't like it (not even the day stages) but it's not broken either.

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Quote: CAV

At this point you guys are taking a debate that was supposed to be about objectively bad games and instead using subjective opinions (e.g. I didn't like the 3D sections of Generations) to build the argument for you.

But when a game is horribly broken like Sonic '06 or Rise of Lyric, it's not opinion, it's proof it's a ****ty game.

I agree. But after a while you guys weren't talking about those games. You were talking about Colors or Heroes or Shadow. Sure a lot of people may not like those (though Colors got positive reception) but they aren't horribly broken to the extent of 06 or Boom.

Quote: zer0dch

Unleashed. Damn. No one even mentioned that, and I totly forgot about it...looks like the masses forgot about the game. Why?

It was awful. The only good parts of Unleashed were the main day time stages, which Generation's did better. Although, both of those are not the direction Sonic should head in.

2/3 of the game is Were-hog and hub worlds, needing to collect medals to progress. It was an awful, awful idea.

I mentioned it multiple times.

And @CAV, broken stories are just as important to me as broken gameplay. Destiny wasn't all that buggy but it's regarded terribly because of it's lack of story.

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I'm not even taking a side myself. I just get kinda sick of people acting like mindlessly hating on Sonic and ignoring other franchises with similar flaws, is still this cool thing to do.

Come on baby tell me what's the word, tha Word Up? (I agree)

Quote: Sesshomaru75

^ One again, that was a joke, and you're overreacting to it as usual. Stay mad, pleb.

Once again, it didn't sound like it, and Internet=/=Reason to be a jerk.

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mugourth needs a sucker for that tantrum of his

Shut the **** up, you ****ing ***hole!

Quote: zer0dch

"Not that many Sonic games are that bad/broken"

Um, yes, there are indeed that many. I didn't even go into some of the other titles.

And I quote: Opinions maaaaaaan.

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I'm not even taking a side myself. I just get kinda sick of people acting like mindlessly hating on Sonic and ignoring other franchises with similar flaws, is still this cool thing to do.

Come on baby tell me what's the word, tha Word Up? (I agree)

Quote: Sesshomaru75

^ One again, that was a joke, and you're overreacting to it as usual. Stay mad, pleb.

Once again, it didn't sound like it, and Internet=/=Reason to be a jerk.

Quote: ThroneOfMalefor

mugourth needs a sucker for that tantrum of his

Shut the **** up, you ****ing ***hole!

Quote: zer0dch

"Not that many Sonic games are that bad/broken"

Um, yes, there are indeed that many. I didn't even go into some of the other titles.

And I quote: Opinions maaaaaaan.

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^ One again, that was a joke, and you're overreacting to it as usual. Stay mad, pleb.

Once again, it didn't sound like it, and Internet=/=Reason to be a jerk.

You seriously need to learn how to tell when something's a joke because you appear to be ignorant otherwise.

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mugourth needs a sucker for that tantrum of his

Shut the **** up, you ****ing ***hole!

And you're being hypocritical by calling me a jerk when here you are being an asshat yourself. Good job. c:

1: Once again, Internet is not a reason to joke by saying "Ha ha, you're an idiot" or "your opinion is invalid" and things like that. That's not joking around, that's just being rude.
2: He really deserved that comment. I don't see how I'm being hypocritical. ...Unless you're going to use the "joking" excuse again.
3: I know when people are "joking" but it really doesn't matter when they're still being rude.

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Quote: MugoUrth

1: Once again, Internet is not a reason to joke by saying "Ha ha, you're an idiot" or "your opinion is invalid" and things like that. That's not joking around, that's just being rude.
2: He really deserved that comment. I don't see how I'm being hypocritical. ...Unless you're going to use the "joking" excuse again.
3: I know when people are "joking" but it really doesn't matter when they're still being rude.

1. You're just too sensitive then if you can't take a joke. c:
2. I don't think he deserved you cursing at him like a 13-year-old simply because he made a joke.
3. Once again, you're too sensitive.

Grow up, seriously.

1: No, you're just excusing being a jerk.
2: Yeah, he kind of did deserve it. That wasn't a joke, that was being incredibly insulting.
3: Again, no.

You want to continue this debate, take it to PM or VM.

Game series I dislike that others like.......

In all honesty, Minecraft is the biggest one. I dislike it more than other games, though I don't completely hate it. I think it's overhyped, and it just gets boring after a while. Though you can make whatever in Creative, so I'll give it that.

And just my honest opinion but I think Sonic Unleashed is the best Sonic game, at least that I've played. Colors comes in second.

I actually legitimately like every mainline/Storybook game outside of '06 and Shadow the Hedgehog (Rise of Lyric is not mainline). None of them are objectively bad.

Unleashed in particular is a masterpiece. It's innovative, ambitious, and extremely well designed and polished. If you don't like how it is, it is your problem, not the game's. I don't even think Generations tops Unleashed in terms of the raw amount of effort that was put into it, you can tell they really were passionate about Unleashed. I will quote another person here:

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You wanna know why Sonic Unleashed (The 360/PS3 version) is so highly regarded by it’s ardent, most passionate fans?

Because it’s the game that shows how passionate and imaginative Sonic Team can be when it comes to developing Sonic and his world and everything in it and stood as the last game that had this aura about it. Did you see developer diaries for Colours and Generations that went into as much depth as these?

-http://www.sonicteam.com/SonicWorldAdventure/director/
-http://www.sonicteam.com/SonicWorldAdventure/hamidashi/

How about a tie-in that was as lovingly made and had the sheer degree of effort invested in it that Night of the Werehog had? SEGA could’ve just half-assed it and released something with only a fraction of NoTW’s effort or hell! Even NOTHING AT ALL! But they didn’t.
Unleashed is special because no matter which way you slice it, it had a level of love and investment that is clear as crystal and is frankly mindblowing. It felt like a world adventure rather than a series of disjointed levels and missions in a white void or a group of acts lumped together, a comprehensive world filled with delightful characters and a large variety of things to do. The Werehog gameplay is cool and fun as is the form itself, the visuals are absolutely jawdropping, the soundtrack is truly something remarkable and the intro is one of the very best cutscenes in Sonic history. It also portrayed Sonic as a character splendidly and Chip was a charming, quirky character.

Yoshihisa Hashimoto (The game’s director) wanted to make something truly special before he jumped ship to Square Enix. Well he didn’t go out with a bang with this game, he went out with a Sonic Boom.

I regard Sonic Unleashed in the same vein as I do Smash Bros - a really amazing, fun, and deep game that not only shows in the game itself, but through the passion the developers exhibit through external sources.

I could talk a bit about the Storybook games and others too, but that's the main one.

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How ironic. Take a chill pill, MugoUrth. In fact, how about everyone ignores his posts? He looks like a real attention whore.

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How ironic. Take a chill pill, MugoUrth. In fact, how about everyone ignores his posts? He looks like a real attention whore.

This is the most intense online temper tantrum I've seen in ages.

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1: No, you're just excusing being a jerk.
2: Yeah, he kind of did.
3: Again, no.

You want to continue this debate, take it to PM or VM.

1: Think of me as you like, I really don't give two ****'s.
2: No, he really didn't, hun.
3: Yes. c:

Nah, I don't want to waste my time talking to a whiny 13-year-old. c:

Quote: MugoUrth

That wasn't a joke, that was being incredibly insulting.

To be fair, you are acting like a child.

1. Not asking you to.
2. Yes he did.
3. No. Seriously.
4. I'm 23 by the way.

Also, I'm NOT an attention whore, I am just sick and tired of people being ****ing assholes for no good reason, then trying to justify it by saying "oh, I was just joking, so that makes it alright to insult people and be rude just cause they like Sonic or dislike Skullgirls." As for me "being an ass," I'm only a jerk to people who deserve it.

As much as I want this topic to go back on track, you guys are probably going to keep badgering me about getting angry, and I'm going to have to keep explaining why until the topic gets locked, unless we're all willing to just drop this all at once and move on, without giving me the whole "u 1st¨ treatment. If we ARE willing to do that, however, that would be appreciated.

-attempt of getting back on track-

The LoZ series is just, boring for me. I don't really find it interesting, and I don't think I ever will. It's just......un-appealing.


EDIT: and can Mugo and Sess just stop arguing back and forth because it truly is just going nowhere.

This topic is a mess and it's my fault.

All I wanted to say originally is that from my experiences from the Sonic games I've played, I haven't personally enjoyed them. I found the gameplay to be pretty flawed in a lot of the ones I've played, the stories to be bad, and the characters to be boring. Nothing more than that...

This is hopefully going to be the last post in this topic since it's obvious it's going nowhere. I respect everyone else's opinions, so please respect mine. Because in the end, that's what it all is, opinion.

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This topic is a mess and it's my fault.

All I wanted to say originally is that from my experiences from the Sonic games I've played, I haven't personally enjoyed them. I found the gameplay to be pretty flawed in a lot of the ones I've played, the stories to be bad, and the characters to be boring. Nothing more than that...

This is hopefully going to be the last post in this topic since it's obvious it's going nowhere. I respect everyone else's opinions, so please respect mine. Because in the end, that's what it all is, opinion.

it's not your fault that this spiraled out of control. honestly it's everyone else's for getting so worked up over the whole Mario-Sonic thing.

Can someone please close this topic? At this rate no one is going to shut up about this argument.

MugoUrth....you might either be the best troll on the planet, or the most butthurt attention whore of a 23 year old I have ever seen on a message board.

Bravo. LOL.

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Game series I dislike that others like.......

In all honesty, Minecraft is the biggest one. I dislike it more than other games, though I don't completely hate it. I think it's overhyped, and it just gets boring after a while. Though you can make whatever in Creative, so I'll give it that.

And just my honest opinion but I think Sonic Unleashed is the best Sonic game, at least that I've played. Colors comes in second.

I totally forgot about Minecraft, I completely agree I don't hate it but I do hate people who go on about how great it is.

As to the argument - all this topic is for is to put which game series you dislike/hate, not to whine because someone doesn't like what you like, so keep it to yourself.

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MugoUrth....you might either be the best troll on the planet, or the most butthurt attention whore of a 23 year old I have ever seen on a message board.

Bravo. LOL.

I'm neither. You're just a ****ing douchbag. I am sick and ****ing tired of scum like you people and your refusal to show respect just because "lol internet". That is why I am angry, because you hide behind "internet" as an excuse to be ****ing assholes and not show respect. And since you guys REFUSE to drop the subject because you are too busy with "lol, I can be a horrible rude person because internet" this topic might as well be locked.

And no, I'm not whiny, I'm upset FOR A GOOD REASON.

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MugoUrth....you might either be the best troll on the planet, or the most butthurt attention whore of a 23 year old I have ever seen on a message board.

Bravo. LOL.

I'm neither. You're just a ****ing douchbag. I am sick and ****ing tired of scum like you people and your refusal to show respect just because "lol internet". That is why I am angry, because you hide behind "internet" as an excuse to be ****ing assholes and not show respect. And since you guys REFUSE to drop the subject because you are too busy with "lol, I can be a horrible rude person because internet" this topic might as well be locked.

And no, I'm not whiny, I'm upset FOR A GOOD REASON.

Take a chill pill, dude. You're 23. You shouldn't be getting this upset anyways.

The basic stuff of CoD & GTA for the most part. Then of course the Sports games that I don't entirely agree on each one needing a yearly installment.

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MugoUrth....you might either be the best troll on the planet, or the most butthurt attention whore of a 23 year old I have ever seen on a message board.

Bravo. LOL.

I'm neither. You're just a ****ing douchbag. I am sick and ****ing tired of scum like you people and your refusal to show respect just because "lol internet". That is why I am angry, because you hide behind "internet" as an excuse to be ****ing assholes and not show respect. And since you guys REFUSE to drop the subject because you are too busy with "lol, I can be a horrible rude person because internet" this topic might as well be locked.

And no, I'm not whiny, I'm upset FOR A GOOD REASON.

I found an exclusive picture of you irl.

You're literally the perfect representation of this currently. Don't bother telling them to drop the subject, you're the one dragging it on by berating them and acting like a hypocritical pre-teen. Zer0dch isn't the one being a "****ing douchebag", yet it's you, but you broke the mirror looking into your soul about all these truths about you, are simply giving you the illusion that the person you see is that. You need to chill the **** out, stop acting like a whiny brat, and drop the subject. You are not upset for a good reason, maybe the dumbest reason ever.