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Quote: GhostRoaster

Corporations are here for profits. When they profit, so do shareholders. As long as they can justify the franchise, it will be here. We don't live in an economic system totally controlled by a government (yet). If consumers buy, they produce. Capitalism works.

as long the consumers buy... and when they are not buying so they make that profit, these capitalist will move on to the next thing. and we all know what happen next....

What, the same exact thing that was happening before? You're not going anywhere stopping halfway through stock phrases if you're trying to make a point,CMB.

Funny you should mention Lego:

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/ar...wgallery/339032

A fair few years ago, the above premise was bandied around but they didn't want the figs to become too expensive by embedding a chip in it. As far as I recall, this initial conversation pre-dated Skylanders.

I thought the idea died in the butt but it looks like it managed to get some legs.

dont forget the ub funkeys...

When people realize amiibo barely do anything, it'll cool down some. That's why I'm only getting my few favs that I'd enjoy having even if they were chipless figurines.

Quote: AzureStarline

When people realize amiibo barely do anything, it'll cool down some. That's why I'm only getting my few favs that I'd enjoy having even if they were chipless figurines.

people dont buy these to play with, but collect. and its not like 60+ going to be released over one year. so the market dont saturate like they do with skylanders.

I don't know how, other than brand name, Disney Infinity is doing better than Skylanders. I went for the first edition this Christmas with the Cars play pack and a few extra characters (because my younger likes to play Mario Kart and loves Cars) and it hasn't been touched at all...by any of us in the household after the first part of the game. The build your own world thing is definitely its own thing.

Quote: SlayerX11

^ ya gamestop has used dark wildfires, i actually saw one in store the other day.

Not here in Finland though. I could still buy a Dark Edition from my local GameStop and sell the other stuff and keep Wildfire and break even in terms of money, but after all the hassle of actually selling them I reckon it'd be dubious savings to say the least.

Quote: CountMoneyBone

Quote: GhostRoaster

Corporations are here for profits. When they profit, so do shareholders. As long as they can justify the franchise, it will be here. We don't live in an economic system totally controlled by a government (yet). If consumers buy, they produce. Capitalism works.

as long the consumers buy... and when they are not buying so they make that profit, these capitalist will move on to the next thing. and we all know what happen next....

Series cancellation....as well they should....you don't like doing stuff for for everyone free of charge or at a loss do you? It will be interesting to see what they consider to be their breaking point. I do wish I had scarfed some shares of Acti in 2011 before skylanders earnings was announced...I think it was an easy 15% gain.

You can probably use Guitar Hero for reference. It's far from Diablo-lite toys to life,but that was also another series that absolutely exploded and had tons of acessories to milk - but it didn't take much for Activision to turn its back on it forever as soon as popularity started to dwindle(read: other series started to do it better - as I said,it's still apples and oranges between this,Amiibo and DI; but imagine say toys to life MOBA).

Quote: GhostRoaster

What's interesting to me however, is the fact that DI won't be doing Marvel next year, and Amiibo seems to be a one and done (to me).

No, next year will be DI Star Wars to coincide with the release of the new movie. I am calling it now.

Quote: melvimbe

As for the idea that DI Star Wars is going to be very popular, I'm not 100% convinced. Yes, it has a built in collectors fan base, but I'm not sure adult collectors are going to automatically start picking this up since there are a ton of other star wars merchandise to buy already. I do think that the timing of the movie release is going to work really well for DI as it did for Guardians of the Galaxy, but I'm not convinced is going to be enough to draw Skylander fans to DI. And what characters are they going to chose for DI? I would guess that they won't be able to make all the classics because they're just are too many? Will they even make a Darth Vadar? He isn't a part of the kids star wars shows today and won't be in the new movies. My guess is they will, but guys like Boba Fett will not.

I also think that Disney is not going to expect DI to fill the video game market during the release. I'm sure they will be another video game release around the same time targeted for adults. Not to mention a ton of legos, regular action figures, and everything else under the sun. Disney doesn't have a need to make the best product or beat out the competition for their movie tie in products, from what I've seen. They just want to use their brand recognition to pull in the easy money.

I'm a huge Star Wars fan, but the popularity of a Star Wars Disney Infinity will absolutely depend on the characters that they release. If they release an old school set with characters from the original trilogy that's when you will get the collectors, and I'll be first in line to buy it, regardless of how bad the game that they go with is. If they just release new characters or their cartoon versions of characters I'll pass, as will many older SW fans. It's definitely not a lock that it will be some great success. Star Wars hasn't exactly lit the world on fire over the past decade or more and unless the new movies are just amazing it's not going ever get back to the popularity levels it once had. Right now Marvel, and superheroes in general, are a far bigger market, so I wouldn't expect the Star Wars version to do any better than the Marvel version is doing now, especially if they keep the same game format of segregating all of the characters.

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I'm a huge Star Wars fan, but the popularity of a Star Wars Disney Infinity will absolutely depend on the characters that they release. If they release an old school set with characters from the original trilogy that's when you will get the collectors

I think there will likely be playsets based on each movie or trilogy.

Quote: mantez

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I'm a huge Star Wars fan, but the popularity of a Star Wars Disney Infinity will absolutely depend on the characters that they release. If they release an old school set with characters from the original trilogy that's when you will get the collectors

I think there will likely be playsets based on each movie or trilogy.

Maybe, or maybe they'll just cash in on the new movies and we will get whatever new characters go along with that. I mean, there is no Fantastic 4 or X-Men in DI 2.0, who is to say they won't completely omit huge characters with the Star Wars version?

The reason there is no fantastic 4 or X men in DI is because Fox own the movie rights and Disney doesn't want to advertise for Fox properties. Disney are trying to get the rights back to these IPs.

Disney might get a few extra sales out of star wars collectors. Marvel was said to destroy skylanders but Marvel characters are bigger shelf warmers than any skylander figures and that's likely because playsets game play of DI suck.

While TT took away some game play features, it still is a decent game. Skylanders problem is Figure to game ratio, meaning too many figures, not enough game.

Quote: melvimbe

Quote: Arc of Archives

^ I can't speak for anyone else (and I haven't read many posts here, so I won't judge them), it's just that you shouldn't preface everything with "I think" or "in my opinion". I usually only do that if I'm really unsure on a thought, but of course I know most stuff I say is just opinion. Sometimes that gets to me and I am too forceful about my thoughts, but I prefer to avoid those phrases because they're pretty superfluous.

I disagree. I get where your coming from, that the reader should be able to tell from the context whether the state is a fact (with logic or something to back it up), or is just an opinion. However, on this site, you see people jump to conclusions and make definitive statements based on a whim all the time, and then see others take there statement as fact and run with it. It may seem superfluous to you, but simple clarification makes things clear, especially on a forum where there are few other ques to point towards what the author is really trying to say.


As for the idea that DI Star Wars is going to be very popular, I'm not 100% convinced. Yes, it has a built in collectors fan base, but I'm not sure adult collectors are going to automatically start picking this up since there are a ton of other star wars merchandise to buy already. I do think that the timing of the movie release is going to work really well for DI as it did for Guardians of the Galaxy, but I'm not convinced is going to be enough to draw Skylander fans to DI. And what characters are they going to chose for DI? I would guess that they won't be able to make all the classics because they're just are too many? Will they even make a Darth Vadar? He isn't a part of the kids star wars shows today and won't be in the new movies. My guess is they will, but guys like Boba Fett will not.

I also think that Disney is not going to expect DI to fill the video game market during the release. I'm sure they will be another video game release around the same time targeted for adults. Not to mention a ton of legos, regular action figures, and everything else under the sun. Disney doesn't have a need to make the best product or beat out the competition for their movie tie in products, from what I've seen. They just want to use their brand recognition to pull in the easy money.

Your grammar was going so well till you hit Darth VADER. LOL

as GhostRoaster nicely put it "I feel like they're putting lipstick on that pig way too often"....

I don't see what that has to do with anything. The real analogy is milking the cow without worrying if it'll go dry from never being left to recover. As it happens to plenty of yearly release series where we have to choose between an innovative buggy mess and a polished rushed no-risks-taken game.

I have quoted below two posts of a user from another forum. I have quoted in toto to ensure I have not given any accidental bias by editing:

How do you justify picking up core chars for trap team in light of them being useless for opening gates or fighting bosses? I look at the normal expansions and see 25 for only a new level and nope right out of there. The light and dark packs at least had 3 usable pieces in them, but the level is so short.

The boss thing has really killed the game for me. I buy figures for my son and the core chars are so weak he can't really use them vs later bosses, so no buying chopper or the new fryno, etc.and all the swap guys we bought sit around gathering dust. They set as very bad precedent this time around, it no longer feels like buying new chars is investing in future games, which means I'm not buying more than a bare few chars.

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I didnt enjoy explaining to a 4 year old why his old guys didn't do damage to golden queen and he had to let daddy do the boss fight because it was too difficult for him since we only had 2 trap masters at the time.

I obtained permission from this user to quote them as I see this as pertinent feedback from a player who is not a dyed-in-the-wool devotee such as myself or many others in this forum.

The what. my Lightcore Drobot is still clearing the floor while Krypt King dies to everything. S2 Hex is still being a walking wasteland. Spyro down to S1 is buffed to ridiculous heights in this game. 'Core characters are so weak' is not a thing that applies to a whole lot of characters,and WAY better than Swap Force where, no matter the damage counts, old characters are going to be slow and frustrating to play compared to Swappers and the cores introduced then. I don't see the reason to get this from another forum and another user since what it adds is questionable.

I don't see the reason to get this from another forum and another user since what it adds is questionable.

I introduced this input to faciliate discourse on it - just because it was originally said by someone else does not make it any less relevant.

No,relevance is okay. I meant more by the argument of core figures aren't as good/aren't worth it/can't fight against anything. They do,so it's hard to argue around it when you go to the tiers topics and still see S1s doing crazy damage. Their usefulness is a whole other can of worms since yeah, other than playing my favorites(which to be fair are all the ones I have and some that I don't) I wouldn't see any reason to use cores other than Drobot who takes actual effort to get hurt rather than to keep safe,if Giants are damage sponges for every situation and Trap Masters explore much better.

I agree that these are weak points against cores. Drobot is great as is my go-to Bumble Blast. Effective ranged cores can out-battle certain Trapmasters any day of the week. As for the comment about the 4-year-old not being able to take out the Golden Queen, that holds no value. That age group of button mashers is what easy mode is for...give the kid a Drobot or a Boomer and have him go nuts...he'll do about as well or better than he would with Krypt King or Head Rush. For us speed-demon types Roller Brawl is a joy to play with in Trap Team.

[quote=[url=http://forum.darkspyro.net/spyro/viewposts.php?topic=112443&post=5421996]Rafterman[/url]]I think it's interesting that people are down on Activision being "all about the money" when the two companies that ripped them off, Nintendo and Disney, both have inferior products and are basically cashing in on the toy's to life market because it generates so much money. If you are someone who has been collecting these guys since game 1, then yes, it's crazy how much money it costs to keep up and how many new variants, gimmicks, etc. they come up with to keep you buying, but is the alternative any better? Amiibos are basically DLC and that's it...they are pretty on the shelf but most people will get little to no use out of them past that. Disney Infinity is a horrible game with so many limitations it's disgusting. I found out quickly that without an entire package the interest fades extremely fast, which is why we went from owning the entire DI set to selling it all off within the same year, while Skylanders have kept our attention for years now. If I'm going to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars (per game) on toy's to life figures their had better be a reason past looking pretty on the shelf and right now Skylanders is the only one with that reason. If anyone is thinking about only the money it's Disney and Nintendo, at least the Skylander games are quality products that are actually worth playing. Don't get me wrong, I'd love the next game to introduce just a few characters instead of the 50 or so they usually do, but I'm not going to be all down on Activision for releasing a superior product that has actual staying power, as opposed to their competition.

As for "losing their steam" I'm not sure they really are. Best Buy has never been Skylanders central around here, so having them behind the other two doesn't really spell doom to me. If shelf space is still any indication of how well a product is doing, Skylanders are more than fine. My local Toys R Us has like a 12' section as you walk in the door and then another 30' section in the video games isles, while both Amiibos and Disney Infinity have less than a 1/4 of that space each. Wal-Mart has DI and Skylanders about equal with an end cap for Amiibos, and Gamestop and Target seem to be about the same. When these stores start shrinking their Skylanders stock down to Amiibo levels I'll start worrying, but for now places like my local Toys R Us stores give Skylanders more shelf space than virtually anything else in the store, which isn't exactly a sign of a dying franchises. Once the "it's not in stock anywhere so I gotta have it" phase of Amiibos dies down, and the "Oh Disney and Marvel figures!" honeymoon wears off Skylanders will be just fine. Until Disney makes an actual game that you can use any of the figures in any of the levels, or Nintendo makes Amiibos something other than physical DLC I don't know why anyone would be worried about this franchise because there is still nothing like it on the market.[/quote]


Some of us are playing this as adults because we just want to play a fun single player game that we can pick up and play anytime and not have to worry about online play, going online every day, missing out on something etc. being the best of the best. There aren't too many adult friendly games like that out there these days, especially for the new consoles, shooters and online play rule and that is where the mass market is for adults, some of us are just not into that. I don't really want to play an online game where I have to be the best of the best in order to get anywhere and dealing with all the hacking, cheating, trash talk etc in these games. I would go back to the PS2 where there are lots of good single player games, however the graphics on a lot of games are very dark and difficult to see on a CRT screen which is the only kind of TV a PS2 can properly be played on....

I am an adult and I find a lot of Nintendo's new releases too twitchy and difficult for me, a Mario game is way too difficult. I have mentioned this before on other forums but my fingers can only move so fast and I can only physically play so well, I am obviously not up to the standards of the average 7 year old when it comes to reflexes and this is something that actually causes me to stress out in video games, and since I am playing games to relax I obviously shouldn't be stressing about the gameplay of one, therefore twitchy Mario games are out. Fun is not doing a jump 50 times only to fail each time and never get it, and when you finally get it, another jump, one that might take 100 tries to clear... yeah not my idea of fun at all. Nintendo also puts rubberband AI in their games which is a continuous frustration of mine, for those unfamiliar this means that they basically make it so the game cheats so you can't win. Always getting the blue shell at the end of the mario kart race when you are about to win, Pokemon doing impossible things in the battle tower that might have a 10% chance of happening in the actual game when they happen at least 70% of the time in the battle tower..

With skylanders I can just play, You don't have to be super fast with the buttons and there are no stupid ledges or anything to fall off of and lose health or die over and over again then when you have to die you have to restart the level..., when you fall off you don't lose health and you just come right back so its much better this way. I haven't found a jump yet that I didn't get in 10 tries or less. I haven't seen any rubberband AI. Oh and I still haven't finished a lot of things on my Wii Spyro's Adventures, Wii U giants and Wii U's Swap force so I still have tons of playing to do.

I have no interest in DI as I don't even like Disney characters that much and I have little interest in Amiibo as the only game I have that is compatible is Mario Kart 8 and that barely uses Amiibo.I own Smash Bros Brawl for the Wii which I hardly touched so based on that I don't really care about getting the latest game.. Also each Amiibo only stores data for one game so if you want to play 2 games with it without losing your data you have to buy 2 Amiibo. This isn't an issue now but it will likely be in the future. If they release a good game where the Amiibo actually does something then maybe I will buy them when that type of a game comes out and proves itself.

@SaraAB87

its not about age, its only in your head. you gotta practice, play daily and play games that push you(dont stagnate with the easy games). dont get put off because its challenging, keep going at it, and in the end your gonna get good at it. then you will have the reflexes of the average 7 year old.

play games like cod,killzone,mortal kombat,street fighter,little big planet,mario games etc...

It's better to start with the basics before recommending fighting games to someone with difficulty to play most stuff. I'd suggest some classic stuff with no lives system,or those where it doesn't matter. A lot of SaraAB87 are stuff that are easily repelled by someone with experience but the frustration of having to start over adds up and you'll have to find something to blame it on; not unlike people calling unblockable combos in fighting games because they're not as fast as other people to notice a reset.

I recommend Lego games as they are "hella" fun but also, for the most part, a tad more forgiving.