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Online coop for Story mode? Requires voice chat which is not safe for children.

Ratchet and clank one 4 all has multiplayer matchmaking and no chat, gameplay is pretty much the same as Skylanders.
Journey neither has chat, LBP has chat and is rated for everyone.

Buy at least one core and trap master of each element but that's waning due to my writing

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Quote: newkill

Online coop for Story mode? Requires voice chat which is not safe for children.

Ratchet and clank one 4 all has multiplayer matchmaking and no chat, gameplay is pretty much the same as Skylanders.
Journey neither has chat, LBP has chat and is rated for everyone.

That's true, but I would like to point out one thing.

LBP, Journey (and as far as I know also Ratchet and Clank) are all PS3 exclusives.

Skylanders is a game for PS3, PS4, XBOX 360, XBOX ONE... But also Wii and Wii U.
And those are mostly considered as "kids friendly" and family consoles

I know there are a lot of games that uses online on those two platforms (SS, Animal Crossing and so on), but we are talking about a franchise thought specifically for kids.

They could do different versions of the game, to include or exclude online features, but I honestly don't see that happening.

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Quote: newkill

Online coop for Story mode? Requires voice chat which is not safe for children.

Ratchet and clank one 4 all has multiplayer matchmaking and no chat, gameplay is pretty much the same as Skylanders.
Journey neither has chat, LBP has chat and is rated for everyone.

That's true, but I would like to point out one thing.

LBP, Journey (and as far as I know also Ratchet and Clank) are all PS3 exclusives.

Skylanders is a game for PS3, PS4, XBOX 360, XBOX ONE... But also Wii and Wii U.
And those are mostly considered as "kids friendly" and family consoles

I know there are a lot of games that uses online on those two platforms (SS, Animal Crossing and so on), but we are talking about a franchise thought specifically for kids.

They could do different versions of the game, to include or exclude online features, but I honestly don't see that happening.

I tend to agree (activision only works to the common denominator) but I'm thinking the obstacles will lessen as they finally drop support for the less capable platforms. It's only a barrier if they let it...and since I hear they actually listen to customer demand...my suggestion is to be vocal.

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Quote: Akseyomiht

Ratchet and clank one 4 all has multiplayer matchmaking and no chat, gameplay is pretty much the same as Skylanders.
Journey neither has chat, LBP has chat and is rated for everyone.

That's true, but I would like to point out one thing.

LBP, Journey (and as far as I know also Ratchet and Clank) are all PS3 exclusives.

Skylanders is a game for PS3, PS4, XBOX 360, XBOX ONE... But also Wii and Wii U.
And those are mostly considered as "kids friendly" and family consoles

I know there are a lot of games that uses online on those two platforms (SS, Animal Crossing and so on), but we are talking about a franchise thought specifically for kids.

They could do different versions of the game, to include or exclude online features, but I honestly don't see that happening.

I tend to agree (activision only works to the common denominator) but I'm thinking the obstacles will lessen as they finally drop support for the less capable platforms. It's only a barrier if they let it...and since I hear they actually listen to customer demand...my suggestion is to be vocal.

the problem with this is that the wiiu is a nextgen, and its already a less capable platforms. when compared to the ps4/xbone, and have the same strength as the ps3/x360. so not much gonna change.... i think we will just have to get used to that activision are gonna works to the common denominator for the entire life of the skylanders games. but with that said implementing online gameplay should not be a problem. the wiiu,ps3 and x360 is more than capable to deliver a decent online experience.

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Quote: Akseyomiht

Ratchet and clank one 4 all has multiplayer matchmaking and no chat, gameplay is pretty much the same as Skylanders.
Journey neither has chat, LBP has chat and is rated for everyone.

That's true, but I would like to point out one thing.

LBP, Journey (and as far as I know also Ratchet and Clank) are all PS3 exclusives.

Skylanders is a game for PS3, PS4, XBOX 360, XBOX ONE... But also Wii and Wii U.
And those are mostly considered as "kids friendly" and family consoles

I know there are a lot of games that uses online on those two platforms (SS, Animal Crossing and so on), but we are talking about a franchise thought specifically for kids.

They could do different versions of the game, to include or exclude online features, but I honestly don't see that happening.

I tend to agree (activision only works to the common denominator) but I'm thinking the obstacles will lessen as they finally drop support for the less capable platforms. It's only a barrier if they let it...and since I hear they actually listen to customer demand...my suggestion is to be vocal.

Absolutely agree.

If they can actually improve the games, by dropping an "old" console (both in terms of age and hardware), then they should really do it.

LBP 3 for PS4 kinda suffered from being basically a porting of the PS3 version.
It's a great game, and I love it, but it probably could have been a thousands times better.

However, unlike Skylanders, another title for that series it's not that taken for granted...

with all due respect what you are saying, to put it bluntly, is basically "screw nintendo so that the people that want a XBone/ PS4 can have a better game." That's all very well and good, but what about the people with a wii U that can't AFFORD to have two consoles? While I love the Wii, I think It's time has come, and I feel bad for all the Wii owners that may not be able to play the next skylanders game.
However I think it was made clear in the TT starter packs that it is time to upgrade to a Wii U. As Drek said, It would be great if the made Skylanders 5 starter pack with internet, and Skylanders 5 starter pack, no internet, but Activision probably won't do that. Nintendo is all about kid friendly games (Mario, Pokemon, Kirby, Zelda ect.) while I (at the moment) can't think of one kid friendly game (besides skylanders) for Xbox or Ps4. This concludes you crazed rant. Thank you.

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with all due respect what you are saying, to put it bluntly, is basically "screw nintendo so that the people that want a XBone/ PS4 can have a better game." That's all very well and good, but what about the people with a wii U that can't AFFORD to have two consoles? While I love the Wii, I think It's time has come, and I feel bad for all the Wii owners that may not be able to play the next skylanders game.
However I think it was made clear in the TT starter packs that it is time to upgrade to a Wii U. As Drek said, It would be great if the made Skylanders 5 starter pack with internet, and Skylanders 5 starter pack, no internet, but Activision probably won't do that. Nintendo is all about kid friendly games (Mario, Pokemon, Kirby, Zelda ect.) while I (at the moment) can't think of one kid friendly game (besides skylanders) for Xbox or Ps4. This concludes you crazed rant. Thank you.

Cannot speak for everyone, but I was specifically talking about the Wii.
Not the Wii U, nor the 3DS.

So, not "screw Nintendo", more like "drop the support for a console that has proven itself to be great, but also have some big limitations, when we talk about target and fan requests".

It happened with the PS2 (which I personally consider to be one of the greatest consoles of all time), and it has to happen to every other one, sooner or later...

If I remember correctly, the Wii is also more recent than the XBOX 360... But I might be wrong.

Regarding kids friendly game, besides Infinity, maybe LBP could fit in this category... But it depends from which level you choose to play... Some ones can be quite creepy...

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That's true, but I would like to point out one thing.

LBP, Journey (and as far as I know also Ratchet and Clank) are all PS3 exclusives.

Skylanders is a game for PS3, PS4, XBOX 360, XBOX ONE... But also Wii and Wii U.
And those are mostly considered as "kids friendly" and family consoles

I know there are a lot of games that uses online on those two platforms (SS, Animal Crossing and so on), but we are talking about a franchise thought specifically for kids.

They could do different versions of the game, to include or exclude online features, but I honestly don't see that happening.

Animal Crossing is rated for everyone and has free chat, I played it once and everyone was about 8-12 years old. (Island zone, matchmaking)
Pokemon is a franchise tough for kids and has online features, I don't know about chat.
Both Sony and Nintendo have online-rated for everyone games, with chat and without it.
The only time I saw someone using this "kids friendly" word in the whole video game industry its when someone from Activision talks about online in Skylanders.

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Quote: mega spyro

with all due respect what you are saying, to put it bluntly, is basically "screw nintendo so that the people that want a XBone/ PS4 can have a better game." That's all very well and good, but what about the people with a wii U that can't AFFORD to have two consoles? While I love the Wii, I think It's time has come, and I feel bad for all the Wii owners that may not be able to play the next skylanders game.
However I think it was made clear in the TT starter packs that it is time to upgrade to a Wii U. As Drek said, It would be great if the made Skylanders 5 starter pack with internet, and Skylanders 5 starter pack, no internet, but Activision probably won't do that. Nintendo is all about kid friendly games (Mario, Pokemon, Kirby, Zelda ect.) while I (at the moment) can't think of one kid friendly game (besides skylanders) for Xbox or Ps4. This concludes you crazed rant. Thank you.

Cannot speak for everyone, but I was specifically talking about the Wii.
Not the Wii U, nor the 3DS.

So, not "screw Nintendo", more like "drop the support for a console that has proven itself to be great, but also have some big limitations, when we talk about target and fan requests".

It happened with the PS2 (which I personally consider to be one of the greatest consoles of all time), and it has to happen to every other one, sooner or later...

If I remember correctly, the Wii is also more recent than the XBOX 360... But I might be wrong.

Regarding kids friendly game, besides Infinity, maybe LBP could fit in this category... But it depends from which level you choose to play... Some ones can be quite creepy...

Yeah, to be specific: Screw the Wii. It's time to retire that platform. Also, the Xbox 360 came out a year before the Wii. The problem with the Wii is that the networking and graphical capabilities were already AT LEAST several years out of date when it was released. Xbox 360 and PS3 are still very viable platforms, at least until developers finally catch on and deliver content truly worthy of the next gen platforms.

Love the Wii remote. Love all of the Nintendo games. But it's holding any current series behind because of the fact that developers code to the least capable platform or at least keep it in mind that curbs content we may otherwise get--like online.

The BIGGEST problem for Activision is convincing customers of their most prevalent platform (which is the Wii) to move up. I hope people take advantage of the free Wii U upgrade, etc and strongly consider it. I'd rather not see another Wii port. Frankly, I'd wish they would also ditch the 3DS. Fewer platforms means they can deliver the best and deepest content for us-which is richly deserved considering the money we pay into the toys.

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Quote: mega spyro

with all due respect what you are saying, to put it bluntly, is basically "screw nintendo so that the people that want a XBone/ PS4 can have a better game." That's all very well and good, but what about the people with a wii U that can't AFFORD to have two consoles? While I love the Wii, I think It's time has come, and I feel bad for all the Wii owners that may not be able to play the next skylanders game.
However I think it was made clear in the TT starter packs that it is time to upgrade to a Wii U. As Drek said, It would be great if the made Skylanders 5 starter pack with internet, and Skylanders 5 starter pack, no internet, but Activision probably won't do that. Nintendo is all about kid friendly games (Mario, Pokemon, Kirby, Zelda ect.) while I (at the moment) can't think of one kid friendly game (besides skylanders) for Xbox or Ps4. This concludes you crazed rant. Thank you.

Cannot speak for everyone, but I was specifically talking about the Wii.
Not the Wii U, nor the 3DS.

So, not "screw Nintendo", more like "drop the support for a console that has proven itself to be great, but also have some big limitations, when we talk about target and fan requests".

It happened with the PS2 (which I personally consider to be one of the greatest consoles of all time), and it has to happen to every other one, sooner or later...

If I remember correctly, the Wii is also more recent than the XBOX 360... But I might be wrong.

Regarding kids friendly game, besides Infinity, maybe LBP could fit in this category... But it depends from which level you choose to play... Some ones can be quite creepy...

Yeah, to be specific: Screw the Wii. It's time to retire that platform. Also, the Xbox 360 came out a year before the Wii. The problem with the Wii is that the networking and graphical capabilities were already AT LEAST several years out of date when it was released. Xbox 360 and PS3 are still very viable platforms, at least until developers finally catch on and deliver content truly worthy of the next gen platforms.

Love the Wii remote. Love all of the Nintendo games. But it's holding any current series behind because of the fact that developers code to the least capable platform or at least keep it in mind that curbs content we may otherwise get--like online.

The BIGGEST problem for Activision is convincing customers of their most prevalent platform (which is the Wii) to move up. I hope people take advantage of the free Wii U upgrade, etc and strongly consider it. I'd rather not see another Wii port. Frankly, I'd wish they would also ditch the 3DS. Fewer platforms means they can deliver the best and deepest content for us-which is richly deserved considering the money we pay into the toys.

Absolutely agree about the Wii. It is limiting what we could be getting, both content and graphic-wise.
I frankly don't think people would like another porting like the SWAP Force one, if they keep pushing the possibilities of the software.

However, I don't think the 3DS version is actually preventing us from getting certain content, in terms of costs and time.
It is a completely different game, developed by a completely different company (maybe this year is the exception, don't know if Beenox also did the 3DS version of Trap Team).

Yes on 3DS, but it's still a distraction that is preventing focus. If they start screwing up the main game, it's time to reassess. I think they are getting dangerously close to that threshold.

I am less motivated to collect them all as well. After getting all the dark, legendary, and nitro series figures and all seasonal variants and lightcores with Swap Force, it just seems like too much plastic for the price to have the collect them all mentality. Most of these figures are bound to hit the bargain bins at $5 or less and I'm sure Activision will still make out quite well producing the older figures at a lower profit margin price for stores like Five Below. No need to make this out to be a $700 game or the ridiculous numbers people are making it out to be and definitely no need to bail on the franchise (partly due to buyers regret for spending too much early on by not waiting for sales) knowing very well the starter packs for the next game will be about $37 exactly a year from now. It may be a while, but I do believe GameStop will eventually buckle with overstock from Eon's Elite and offer them at a discount. I have a number at which collecting becomes fanatical collecting or OCD and $25 for a series of suped up older figures is definitely above that threshold.

I am still going to collect them all, however I am only buying variants/Elites for the time being. I will get the rest later through sales or I will pick up one here or there.

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Quote: mega spyro

with all due respect what you are saying, to put it bluntly, is basically "screw nintendo so that the people that want a XBone/ PS4 can have a better game." That's all very well and good, but what about the people with a wii U that can't AFFORD to have two consoles? While I love the Wii, I think It's time has come, and I feel bad for all the Wii owners that may not be able to play the next skylanders game.
However I think it was made clear in the TT starter packs that it is time to upgrade to a Wii U. As Drek said, It would be great if the made Skylanders 5 starter pack with internet, and Skylanders 5 starter pack, no internet, but Activision probably won't do that. Nintendo is all about kid friendly games (Mario, Pokemon, Kirby, Zelda ect.) while I (at the moment) can't think of one kid friendly game (besides skylanders) for Xbox or Ps4. This concludes you crazed rant. Thank you.

Cannot speak for everyone, but I was specifically talking about the Wii.
Not the Wii U, nor the 3DS.

So, not "screw Nintendo", more like "drop the support for a console that has proven itself to be great, but also have some big limitations, when we talk about target and fan requests".

It happened with the PS2 (which I personally consider to be one of the greatest consoles of all time), and it has to happen to every other one, sooner or later...

If I remember correctly, the Wii is also more recent than the XBOX 360... But I might be wrong.

Regarding kids friendly game, besides Infinity, maybe LBP could fit in this category... But it depends from which level you choose to play... Some ones can be quite creepy...

Yeah, to be specific: Screw the Wii. It's time to retire that platform. Also, the Xbox 360 came out a year before the Wii. The problem with the Wii is that the networking and graphical capabilities were already AT LEAST several years out of date when it was released. Xbox 360 and PS3 are still very viable platforms, at least until developers finally catch on and deliver content truly worthy of the next gen platforms.

Love the Wii remote. Love all of the Nintendo games. But it's holding any current series behind because of the fact that developers code to the least capable platform or at least keep it in mind that curbs content we may otherwise get--like online.

The BIGGEST problem for Activision is convincing customers of their most prevalent platform (which is the Wii) to move up. I hope people take advantage of the free Wii U upgrade, etc and strongly consider it. I'd rather not see another Wii port. Frankly, I'd wish they would also ditch the 3DS. Fewer platforms means they can deliver the best and deepest content for us-which is richly deserved considering the money we pay into the toys.

I was just thinking last night as I was trying (unsuccessfully) to complete The Future of Skylands in sub 12:40 how much I miss the Wii remote and nunchuck.

Ah yes, I forgot about the 3DS. And I do think the Wii's time is up, and feel bad for those people who can't afford at least a Wii U. But I do agree that the Wii is holding everyone back. I think that if the next games have online, it should say right in the beginning "DO YOU WANT TO ENABLE ONLINE?" with a yes/no option. As for those parents who don't set up parental controls, obviously they either don't care enough to set them, or trust their kids

Nintendo might not be holding companies back much longer at all. While Sony and Microsoft have plans to keep each console generation a decade long, Nintendo has considered the Wii U a massive failure. There are rumors that they're scrapping it altogether to work on a new project, and will quietly and completely phase out the Wii U within 2 years.

To the original post; this Portal Master will not be spending one dime on Trap Team. Most of the character designs are just not as compelling as last year, and the game is obviously a step down in several ways. Activision knows what they are doing; they've jumped the shark on Skylanders.

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Nintendo might not be holding companies back much longer at all. While Sony and Microsoft have plans to keep each console generation a decade long, Nintendo has considered the Wii U a massive failure. There are rumors that they're scrapping it altogether to work on a new project, and will quietly and completely phase out the Wii U within 2 years.

To the original post; this Portal Master will not be spending one dime on Trap Team. Most of the character designs are just not as compelling as last year, and the game is obviously a step down in several ways. Activision knows what they are doing; they've jumped the shark on Skylanders.

I don't blame the Wii U; I blame Nintendo's lack of marketing in providing a reason for folks to upgrade. It also took longer than it should've to release great titles; also the lack of compatability as compared to the Intel bretheren of PS4 and XBO make it more difficult to release for the platform. In essence, Nintendo's execution is to blame.

I don't think Skylanders has jumped the shark, but their pimping of toys at the cost of content and capabilities longtime players expected LAST GAME can no longer go unnoticed. Activision is now on notice. Fortunately, I believe in VV's technical prowess to bring it home next time, and make adjustments. I'm a bit concerned for TfB's execution moving forward.

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Quote: Plordigian

Nintendo might not be holding companies back much longer at all. While Sony and Microsoft have plans to keep each console generation a decade long, Nintendo has considered the Wii U a massive failure. There are rumors that they're scrapping it altogether to work on a new project, and will quietly and completely phase out the Wii U within 2 years.

To the original post; this Portal Master will not be spending one dime on Trap Team. Most of the character designs are just not as compelling as last year, and the game is obviously a step down in several ways. Activision knows what they are doing; they've jumped the shark on Skylanders.

I don't blame the Wii U; I blame Nintendo's lack of marketing in providing a reason for folks to upgrade. It also took longer than it should've to release great titles; also the lack of compatability as compared to the Intel bretheren of PS4 and XBO make it more difficult to release for the platform. In essence, Nintendo's execution is to blame.

I don't think Skylanders has jumped the shark, but their pimping of toys at the cost of content and capabilities longtime players expected LAST GAME can no longer go unnoticed. Activision is now on notice. Fortunately, I believe in VV's technical prowess to bring it home next time, and make adjustments. I'm a bit concerned for TfB's execution moving forward.

And I believe that TfB learned from their mistakes, and will be able to do an aven better work, with Skylanders 6. If Activision let them do their magic, of course.

It's not that I don't believe in V.V., mind it, they have proven to be great developers.
I just prefer TfB style.

Artistically, I prefer TfB as well. But VV brought their A game last time...and look forward to seeing how they can help push it further.

Being forced to buy one of each Trap Master element has given me a huge sense of "Why bother?". I'll save more money just getting the 3DS version and unlocking all the hats there.

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Nintendo might not be holding companies back much longer at all. While Sony and Microsoft have plans to keep each console generation a decade long, Nintendo has considered the Wii U a massive failure. There are rumors that they're scrapping it altogether to work on a new project, and will quietly and completely phase out the Wii U within 2 years.

To the original post; this Portal Master will not be spending one dime on Trap Team. Most of the character designs are just not as compelling as last year, and the game is obviously a step down in several ways. Activision knows what they are doing; they've jumped the shark on Skylanders.

I don't blame the Wii U; I blame Nintendo's lack of marketing in providing a reason for folks to upgrade. It also took longer than it should've to release great titles; also the lack of compatability as compared to the Intel bretheren of PS4 and XBO make it more difficult to release for the platform. In essence, Nintendo's execution is to blame.

I don't think Skylanders has jumped the shark, but their pimping of toys at the cost of content and capabilities longtime players expected LAST GAME can no longer go unnoticed. Activision is now on notice. Fortunately, I believe in VV's technical prowess to bring it home next time, and make adjustments. I'm a bit concerned for TfB's execution moving forward.

Oh absolutely, the marketing and timing for the Wii U was pretty bad. Even just a different name would have confused people a lot less, and perhaps helped it sell more. It's a wonderful machine though; the games available for it now almost swayed me away from the PS4.

It's difficult to not lay all of the blame for Trap Team's blunders squarely at the feet of Activision. We've gone over this a few times already, but it seems very unlikely Toys for Bob made those paywall decisions, and perhaps even two years was not enough time to attempt to match VV's first-impression quality. Let us hope these issues will be little more than a hiccup in the long and storied history of the Skylanders franchise.

I'm actually of the opinion that Wii U timing was impeccable...they had a year head start but failed in terms of both marketing and getting "must have" apps like the recent Mario Kart game that increased unit sales.

Opportunity Lost.

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Quote: Plordigian

Nintendo might not be holding companies back much longer at all. While Sony and Microsoft have plans to keep each console generation a decade long, Nintendo has considered the Wii U a massive failure. There are rumors that they're scrapping it altogether to work on a new project, and will quietly and completely phase out the Wii U within 2 years.

To the original post; this Portal Master will not be spending one dime on Trap Team. Most of the character designs are just not as compelling as last year, and the game is obviously a step down in several ways. Activision knows what they are doing; they've jumped the shark on Skylanders.

I don't blame the Wii U; I blame Nintendo's lack of marketing in providing a reason for folks to upgrade. It also took longer than it should've to release great titles; also the lack of compatability as compared to the Intel bretheren of PS4 and XBO make it more difficult to release for the platform. In essence, Nintendo's execution is to blame.

I don't think Skylanders has jumped the shark, but their pimping of toys at the cost of content and capabilities longtime players expected LAST GAME can no longer go unnoticed. Activision is now on notice. Fortunately, I believe in VV's technical prowess to bring it home next time, and make adjustments. I'm a bit concerned for TfB's execution moving forward.

And I believe that TfB learned from their mistakes, and will be able to do an aven better work, with Skylanders 6. If Activision let them do their magic, of course.

It's not that I don't believe in V.V., mind it, they have proven to be great developers.
I just prefer TfB style.

Skylanders 6??? It'll be very lucky if the franchise goes that far. Beyond the other complaints heard in the thread, it's not just them pumping out a crazy amount of figures every year, but a set of unappealing figures...by that, I mean the figures have moves which are 90% a recycling or repeat of the moves of a prior character or combination of characters. This makes these new figures bland and it really makes me feel for the figures I already own from past games which are capped at level 20 and haven't been able to get a proper introduction to the new game in any way. I think they need to focus on making a new game in which we have a reason to use or old characters or else we'll talking about Trapmasters and these new cores/traps a year from now as "yesterday's junk" and how they barely had anything unique about them. It's not just about cost vs content, but I don't see myself going "wow" or "awesome" with these new characters as I did with the last generation of characters like Roller Brawl, Bumble Blast, or the swappers. I can't pinpoint whether it's the lack of content/shorter levels, the graphical downgrade, the blandness of the new characters, or what, but the game is lacking some spice which I'm afraid has severely affected the longevity of the franchise.

It's hard to be "wow'd" when you play a new figure for the 175th time and it feels like the first. That's just the age of the franchise (or the rapid nature in which we are being worn down).

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I don't blame the Wii U; I blame Nintendo's lack of marketing in providing a reason for folks to upgrade. It also took longer than it should've to release great titles; also the lack of compatability as compared to the Intel bretheren of PS4 and XBO make it more difficult to release for the platform. In essence, Nintendo's execution is to blame.

I don't think Skylanders has jumped the shark, but their pimping of toys at the cost of content and capabilities longtime players expected LAST GAME can no longer go unnoticed. Activision is now on notice. Fortunately, I believe in VV's technical prowess to bring it home next time, and make adjustments. I'm a bit concerned for TfB's execution moving forward.

And I believe that TfB learned from their mistakes, and will be able to do an aven better work, with Skylanders 6. If Activision let them do their magic, of course.

It's not that I don't believe in V.V., mind it, they have proven to be great developers.
I just prefer TfB style.

Skylanders 6??? It'll be very lucky if the franchise goes that far. Beyond the other complaints heard in the thread, it's not just them pumping out a crazy amount of figures every year, but a set of unappealing figures...by that, I mean the figures have moves which are 90% a recycling or repeat of the moves of a prior character or combination of characters. This makes these new figures bland and it really makes me feel for the figures I already own from past games which are capped at level 20 and haven't been able to get a proper introduction to the new game in any way. I think they need to focus on making a new game in which we have a reason to use or old characters or else we'll talking about Trapmasters and these new cores/traps a year from now as "yesterday's junk" and how they barely had anything unique about them. It's not just about cost vs content, but I don't see myself going "wow" or "awesome" with these new characters as I did with the last generation of characters like Roller Brawl, Bumble Blast, or the swappers. I can't pinpoint whether it's the lack of content/shorter levels, the graphical downgrade, the blandness of the new characters, or what, but the game is lacking some spice which I'm afraid has severely affected the longevity of the franchise.

Sure, Skylanders 6. Why would they stop there?

Also, ok, sometimes they can come up with something truly original and never seen before (Tread Head) and sometimes with characters that are simply mix of previously seen powers of different Skylanders, put together in a new looking characters, but that's what makes them unique.

Countdown's missiles' attack is the same of Drill Sergeant, but he can also create small walking bombs and shoot his head. Can the latter do it?
Or, Food Fight, which is basically a Life and slower version of Trigger Happy... Can the Tech Skylander create mines or "poison" enemies...?

Of course original and creative powers are starting to fun out, but so far, ANY character I've played has given me a sense of déjà vu (no pun intended, really ), and that's what matters, to me.

Surprisingly, the characters are still (for the most part) holding their own. I'll be gasping about the content until the very end, it would appear. (I'm not looking for 80+ hours of content here, but maybe a little more than 15?)

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Surprisingly, the characters are still (for the most part) holding their own. I'll be gasping about the content until the very end, it would appear. (I'm not looking for 80+ hours of content here, but maybe a little more than 15?)

I think I've played a good 18/20 hours, before finishing the Story Mode, and have yet a lot of areas, quests, arenas and other things to explore and complete.

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Surprisingly, the characters are still (for the most part) holding their own. I'll be gasping about the content until the very end, it would appear. (I'm not looking for 80+ hours of content here, but maybe a little more than 15?)

I think I've played a good 18/20 hours, before finishing the Story Mode, and have yet a lot of areas, quests, arenas and other things to explore and complete.

Yeah, a lot of that is aided with the upgrade grind for any characters you buy as well. Although evolved chompy chest on chapter 1 is pretty much a 5 minute process to fully upgrade a character...and then ~30 minutes to upgrade.

I still firmly believe that people shouldn't waste their money buying tons of traps (since we're talking about being less motivated to buy things). I truly believe that in Skyladers 5, their only function will be to hurt you when you step on them barefooted. As much as I loved these games, I really don't have a good feeling about this franchise or the future titles after seeing the nose dive it has been on.

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I still firmly believe that people shouldn't waste their money buying tons of traps (since we're talking about being less motivated to buy things). I truly believe that in Skyladers 5, their only function will be to hurt you when you step on them barefooted. As much as I loved these games, I really don't have a good feeling about this franchise or the future titles after seeing the nose dive it has been on.

They are little daggers now aren't they? I'm already envisioning how they will answer the inevitable about traps. I've got a bag of popcorn for the next game's reveal.

@mastermc54: that is possibly an indication that Acti has already decided to slowly kill the series. This is a multi-billion dollar company we're talking about here. We're supposed to believe that none of these issues came up in playtesting? They no longer care about satisfying discerning adult fans, nor attempting to give them their money's worth. It's a race to see how much more revenue they can make before everyone's had enough, and they move on to another property. That trend involves cutting cost to maximize profit, because the goal of cultivating and growing consumer interest (which requires attention to detail, quality, and innovation) has already been met; they made $2 billion already.

There is still so many Swop Force toys to collect . No need to Head Rush into Trap Team at full speed .

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Surprisingly, the characters are still (for the most part) holding their own. I'll be gasping about the content until the very end, it would appear. (I'm not looking for 80+ hours of content here, but maybe a little more than 15?)

I think I've played a good 18/20 hours, before finishing the Story Mode, and have yet a lot of areas, quests, arenas and other things to explore and complete.

Yeah, a lot of that is aided with the upgrade grind for any characters you buy as well. Although evolved chompy chest on chapter 1 is pretty much a 5 minute process to fully upgrade a character...and then ~30 minutes to upgrade.

Well, actually I didn't even started Kaos Doom Challenges or Brock's Arenas, nor I intensively grinded with any character, before finishing the Story Mode.

I just calmly explored the levels, the Academy and unlocked what I could (only had Krypt King and Snap Shot, 'till the end of the basic game, then Gusto and Jawbreaker for the Nightmare Express and finally also Wallop and Wildfire for the Mirror of Mystery), and keep in mind that those 18/20 hours still relate to the basic Story, so no Adventure Packs included.

As for the Chomp Chest quick upgrading method, just because you can do it, doesn't mean you have.
Why would you take away some fun, from a game that is already not convincing you that much?

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@mastermc54: that is possibly an indication that Acti has already decided to slowly kill the series. This is a multi-billion dollar company we're talking about here. We're supposed to believe that none of these issues came up in playtesting? They no longer care about satisfying discerning adult fans, nor attempting to give them their money's worth. It's a race to see how much more revenue they can make before everyone's had enough, and they move on to another property. That trend involves cutting cost to maximize profit, because the goal of cultivating and growing consumer interest (which requires attention to detail, quality, and innovation) has already been met; they made $2 billion already.

I personally have yet to experience a quality drop in this series, both in terms of figures and games.
Just because it has less content, doesn't mean it is a worse game, in my opinion.

Take LBP 3, for example.
I'm really sad to say this, but THAT is a game that is lower in quality, compared to it's previous chapters... Still an amazing game, but... Well, it misses something the other ones had...

Cannot say the same thing for Trap Team.
Could say the same, more or less, for SWAP Force, but in a quite different way and it's still not a quality drop.

Coincidentally, they have both been developed by different software houses, than the ones that created their brands.

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Take LBP 3, for example.
I'm really sad to say this, but THAT is a game that is lower in quality, compared to it's previous chapters... Still an amazing game, but... Well, it misses something the other ones had...

what is lbp3 missing???... of what i have played of lbp3 so far, it have shown me that there is just more of everything lbp2.

you can easily put down a year in lbp3, with the online and creator mode alone. it got so much new stuff that it is mind blowing at the moment, you sure get your moneys worth for your one purchase. also if you have played the lbp1&2 everything carry over to lbp3.

if you compare lbp3 to skylanders, the skylanders game will fall flat on its butt after a week. while you can keep playing lbp3 for one year and you havent even played or learned everything about it. with the lbp community and its creator tool its just endless in gameplay value.

when it comes to the skylanders games it have been a signification drop of quality in the series. there is enough posts from other people here on this forum to make a new forum section for that alone. but with that said it doesn't mean the new skylanders is the worst game out there, it is good for what it is. but it has less content of all other skylanders games released so far. its a very expensive game and people that buy into it, want to get more for their bucks in day one of purchase. its understandable, and we can only hope that vv will bring it, since they did a fine job with swap force.

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Take LBP 3, for example.
I'm really sad to say this, but THAT is a game that is lower in quality, compared to it's previous chapters... Still an amazing game, but... Well, it misses something the other ones had...

what is lbp3 missing???... of what i have played of lbp3 so far, it have shown me that there is just more of everything lbp2.

you can easily put down a year in lbp3, with the online and creator mode alone. it got so much new stuff that it is mind blowing at the moment, you sure get your moneys worth for your one purchase. also if you have played the lbp1&2 everything carry over to lbp3.

if you compare lbp3 to skylanders, the skylanders game will fall flat on its butt after a week. while you can keep playing lbp3 for one year and you havent even played or learned everything about it. with the lbp community and its creator tool its just endless in gameplay value.

when it comes to the skylanders games it have been a signification drop of quality in the series. there is enough posts from other people here on this forum to make a new forum section for that alone. but with that said it doesn't mean the new skylanders is the worst game out there, it is good for what it is. but it has less content of all other skylanders games released so far. its a very expensive game and people that buy into it, want to get more for their bucks in day one of purchase. its understandable, and we can only hope that vv will bring it, since they did a fine job with swap force.

Agree, regarding Skylanders.

When I talk abou LBP 3 being lower in quality, I speak about the whole game.

The create mode is a HUGE step forward, in the series, and the online community can only keeps getting better and better... But... Have you finished the Story Mode?

If not, then don't click the spoiler, but:


Not only that, but A LOT of the DLC content from the previous games is still not available, even if you previously purchased it (and that means you will probably have to do the other Stories again, to collect all the content), and a BIG part of the things you collected in the Story Mode from LBP 1 and 2 is missing, even if you imported your profile.

Also, the game crashed 6 times, as of now. And I bought it Wednesday.

What happens if Skylanders crashes? You replay the level you were currently on.

What happens if LBP crashes, and you have almost finished creating a level, without saving one single time...?
Exactly.

This game misses a lot of Mm touches, it's undenyable.
It's still great and amazing, but, as of now (really hoping in patches), it is lower in quality, from the previous chapters, from those points of view.

the story mode will take me week at least. you have the extra mini levels, then you have to replay the levels to get everything with the new characters. since you unlock them and there is secret places to be found etc... when it comes to the bugs i agree with you on that one, its not up to the standards it should be. but with lbp games there is always a re-released, so a new version later with all the patches on disc will be done, after that there is only dlc missing..

so far we had lbp1 goty, lbp2 collector/special/extra edition... and the psvita lbp marvel super hero edition.

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the story mode will take me week at least. you have the extra mini levels, then you have to replay the levels to get everything with the new characters. since you unlock them and there is secret places to be found etc... when it comes to the bugs i agree with you on that one, its not up to the standards it should be. but with lbp games there is always a re-released, so a new version later with all the patches on disc will be done, after that there is only dlc missing..

so far we had lbp1 goty, lbp2 collector/special/extra edition... and the psvita lbp marvel super hero edition.

Exactly.

Those were NOT the standards I was expecting, for a game of this series, regardings bugs.

Sure, if you want to 100% the Story, it will take a lot of time.
Oh, and, just because the Story is shorter, doesn't mean I didn't liked it, mind it.

I enjoyed it A LOT, and wish it was longer.

In my opinion, you cannot really make a bad LBP game, if you put the right efforts and dedication in it.

Other than that, it's still a great LittleBigPlanet title.
One of the best games I've played so far (if not the best).

Hi Drek,

After upgrading 175 characters, grinding to upgrade them is anything but "fun". I suspect I could enjoy the character more by exploring the techniques before maxxing out...but the exercise above was just to illustrate the fact you buy a character buys you at least 1-3 hours of playtime just because it's that character. So, from a weird viewpoint...you do get increased time with the game with a new character, albeit not new content.

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Hi Drek,

After upgrading 175 characters, grinding to upgrade them is anything but "fun". I suspect I could enjoy the character more by exploring the techniques before maxxing out...but the exercise above was just to illustrate the fact you buy a character buys you at least 1-3 hours of playtime just because it's that character. So, from a weird viewpoint...you do get increased time with the game with a new character, albeit not new content.

Hi, Ghost

I agree, that's why I said "some" fun.

Yes, you indeed don't get any new content, when buying a new character (not considering Elemental Gates, or gimmick specific content), but you not only increase the play time, you may also find a Skylander that you like a lot, and actually want to use him in previous levels, just for the fun of it.

That way it's still grinding, but you don't feel it as a chore.

The option of insta-maxing out the characters may at one point become as boring as having to grind for hours, if you do it with every new character.

Of course it's a weird viewpoint too, but in the end, everyone can play and enjoy the game the way they like.