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CAV Platinum Sparx Gems: 6289
#1 Posted: 06:49:44 19/11/2014 | Topic Creator
Welcome to the 2nd darkSpyro Super Smash Bros 3DS Tournament. Unfortunately the previous tournament held by Lunar has been shut down. I'd like to thank him for his attempts at getting the ball rolling and keeping it such until the very end (as should everyone else). But I want to get at least one tournament in before everyone completely moves away from the 3DS and onto the Wii U (I don't know for sure how many people will still be playing on 3DS), so here's another stab at it.

We won't stray too far off from what Lunar was doing. All you need is a copy of the game, a system to play it on, and the daring to have complete strangers have your friend code for even a short period of time.

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Here are the rules as it stands:

  • All characters permitted; Miis excluded
  • 1v1, 3 stock, 10 minutes
  • No items
  • Omega forms, Battlefield, and Final Destination allowed
  • Only one character allowed (there will be no changing allowed once the tournament begins) ; (you are allowed to choose a character even if someone else already picked them)
  • Fighters have 3 days to complete their match. If one fighter is unresponsive after 3 days, they forfeit automatically.
  • Custom moves and equipment are both banned
  • Tourney will follow double elimination style

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    Fighters

  • CAV: Pac-Man
  • FC: 3780-9275-5252

  • Underian: Peach
  • FC: 2552-1560-2804

  • MagicFizz: Zero Suit Samus
  • FC: 5258-1056-9243

  • somePerson: Captain Falcon
  • FC: 2191 - 7641 - 6832

  • I-Brawler: Meta Knight
  • FC: 1907-8901-8858

  • LunarDistortion; Bowser Jr.
  • FC: 4639-9294-0127

  • Will171717: Ness
  • FC: 0018-1600-5251

  • TacoMakerSkys: Zelda
  • FC: 1118-0302-8828

  • sonicbrawler182: Rosalina
  • FC: 4768-7658-5729

  • Matteomax: Bowser
  • FC: 0662-4702-2657

    To join, simply post your FC and who you intend to use. Don't forget to think through who you will use in the tournament, for once it begins, there's no turning back.

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    The bracket is here. Use this to keep updated on what's what in the tourney and who you need to fight.
    Edited 12 times - Last edited at 03:42:30 25/11/2014 by CAV
    Underian Emerald Sparx Gems: 3095
    #2 Posted: 14:15:57 19/11/2014
    Underian: Peach
    FC: 2552-1560-2804

    Though, I'll need some practice.
    1. Should custom moves be allowed or banned?
    Banned.

    2. Should custom equipment be allowed or banned?
    Banned, they give people power boosts which can be slightly unfair.

    3. Should we have double elimination like the previous tourney, or round robin?
    It doesn't really matter to me.

    Also, I'd like to know why Miis are banned, I can understand but I'd like a full explanation as to why? Is it because they have what's considered custom moves? Or is it because of the equipment, I don't use any. I wouldn't consider using a Mii in the tournaments, Id' just like to know.
    MagicFizz Emerald Sparx Gems: 3607
    #3 Posted: 02:32:20 20/11/2014
    MagicFizz(Joshua in Smash)
    (Will post fc later)
    ZERO SUIT SAMUS

    1. Should custom moves be allowed or banned?
    banned
    2. Should custom equipment be allowed or banned?
    banned
    3. Should we have double elimination like the previous tourney, or round robin?
    I dont care much. since i wont lose to u weenies
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    My life is complete.
    somePerson Diamond Sparx Gems: 8864
    #4 Posted: 03:31:26 20/11/2014
    somePerson: Ike
    FC: 2191 - 7641 - 6832

    1. Should custom moves be allowed or banned?
    2. Should custom equipment be allowed or banned?
    3. Should we have double elimination like the previous tourney, or round robin? Because double would take too long.
    CAV Platinum Sparx Gems: 6289
    #5 Posted: 06:13:19 20/11/2014 | Topic Creator
    Quote: Pixilism
    But first, question. On the one character allowed rule, I get that we lock in a character for us to play and we can't change it for the entire tournament. But does that also mean that there can't be two people with the same character? Like say if I were to pick Ike and someone else were to pick Ike for the tournament?


    I don't see the issue with people using the same character as another. Last tournament was a stroke of pure luck that nobody chose the same character as someone else, and I don't expect that to happen now (especially now that it's becoming clear who the top and bottom tier guys are).

    Choose whoever you want, even if someone else already has them. Just don't go changing when the tournament is already going on.

    Quote: Underian
    Also, I'd like to know why Miis are banned, I can understand but I'd like a full explanation as to why? Is it because they have what's considered custom moves? Or is it because of the equipment, I don't use any. I wouldn't consider using a Mii in the tournaments, Id' just like to know.


    Pretty much because of their use of custom moves and equipment, for the reason you said. Even if I allowed Miis, if custom equipment is banned, the characters are pretty much at a disadvantage and it wouldn't be very fair on those who use them.
    Not to mention I'm sorta looking at this at more of a "For Glory" angle than "For Fun", and Miis aren't allowed there (and wouldn't be at pro tourneys).

    If custom equipment and moves are voted to be allowed I may reconsider allowing Miis, but right now it makes no logical sense to include them. Though now I'm thinking that we can maybe someday have a Mii-exclusive tourney?
    Edited 2 times - Last edited at 06:18:04 20/11/2014 by CAV
    sonicbrawler182 Platinum Sparx Gems: 7105
    #6 Posted: 15:19:46 20/11/2014
    Quote:
    Pretty much because of their use of custom moves and equipment, for the reason you said. Even if I allowed Miis, if custom equipment is banned, the characters are pretty much at a disadvantage and it wouldn't be very fair on those who use them.


    Actually, Mii Brawler (who's widely considered within the running for top 10, easily) and Mii Gunner are perfectly viable without equipment. Swordfighter isn't great, but the other two are. Brawler is basically Little Mac without the obnoxious super armour, but in exchange, he has an air game and more range (and a projectile if you use Neutral Special 1). Gunner is basically a less situational Mega Man with a bit of Samus thrown in, and some other unique specials. People could still use Swordfighter if they really wanted, though he is quite limited.

    I also don't see why custom moves even need to be voted on. They are not broken at all. In fact, they are healthy for competition. They make a lot of lower tier characters stand a chance against the higher tiers much better (the lower tier characters, for the most part, have a better variety of custom moves than the higher tiers, making the playing field more balanced out), and in general, allow you to fine-tune your character to the match-up you are about to face. For example, Rosalina's Luma Shot is more risky against characters with a reflector since the move can be reflected, but Luma Warp removes that risk in those match-ups, in exchange for less varied positioning of Luma (since Luma warps a set distance, and you cannot change it, unlike with Luma Shot which has multiple charge levels).

    The only reason most local tournaments won't be using customs early on is simply because of the complications involved in providing a system that has all of them unlocked, in case players don't have a 3DS of their own with the build they want. The Wii U version makes you unlock all of the customs again, so tournaments are either going to have to wait until most tourney organisers possess Wii U systems with all customs, or they are going to have to set 3DS booths up that have all of the customs and then let people build a set there and import it to Wii U, or hope someone at the tournament has a 3DS with all customs. Customs just present an organisational issue for local tournaments right now, but even that is not going to be the case for long.

    In an online tournament, however, there is no issue there. Everyone is playing from their own system. Everyone should have the customs moves for their mains if they are truly interested in playing this game competitively (and if you don't already, it only takes a few minutes to get all customs for an individual character when you know what you are doing). If you don't have all of the customs for your mains, you can still get them in time for this tournament too.

    I'm not sure if I will be signing up for this right now, it depends on when we are starting it and it depends on how well you guys with different time zones can collaborate with my chances to play. But I thought I'd chime in on this anyway, because it seems like people are a bit uneducated on custom moves, and on the Miis.
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    "My memories will be part of the sky."
    CAV Platinum Sparx Gems: 6289
    #7 Posted: 19:18:03 20/11/2014 | Topic Creator
    Quote: sonicbrawler182
    Actually, Mii Brawler (who's widely considered within the running for top 10, easily)


    This is news to me. From what I knew, most people were in agreement that the Mii fighters were essentially the worst characters in the game without decent custom builds.

    I will still allow others to vote on custom moves and builds themselves. Depending on the results I'll allow Miis to participate. If they don't get in now I'll probably just host a separate Mii-only tournament in the future.
    Edited 1 time - Last edited at 19:19:01 20/11/2014 by CAV
    I-Brawler Emerald Sparx Gems: 3565
    #8 Posted: 00:18:00 21/11/2014
    I-Brawler: Meta Knight
    FC: 1907-8901-8858

    1. Should custom moves be allowed or banned? allowed
    2. Should custom equipment be allowed or banned? there are some that give additional effects, such as draw the Smash Ball to you.....so......no. Even though it's no items there's stuff like Invincibility after eating(mainly for Pac-Man there) or extended Respawn invincibility.
    3. Should we have double elimination like the previous tourney, or round robin? idk
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    you never saw me
    Edited 1 time - Last edited at 14:32:57 21/11/2014 by I-Brawler
    LunarDistortion Ripto Gems: 3606
    #9 Posted: 00:26:26 21/11/2014
    Thanks for the acknowledgement, CAV!

    Anyway, I'll join in this one.

    LunarDistortion; Bowser Jr.
    FC: 4639-9294-0127

    1. I think Custom moves are fine.
    2. Personally, I don't see them working out.
    3. Double Elimination, I just like that method.
    somePerson Diamond Sparx Gems: 8864
    #10 Posted: 04:10:04 21/11/2014
    I would like to change to Captain Falcon if I can.
    Will171717 Yellow Sparx Gems: 1208
    #11 Posted: 04:56:30 21/11/2014
    Will
    FC: 0018-1600-5251
    Ganondorf


    Probably going to lose but GANON is sooooo fun
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    henlo
    TacoMakerSkys Platinum Sparx Gems: 5652
    #12 Posted: 04:57:12 21/11/2014
    TacoMakerSkys: Zelda
    FC: 1118-0302-8828

    1: Disallowed
    2: Disallowed
    3: Idk what either mean sooo
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    words. letters. filler.
    Edited 1 time - Last edited at 04:57:36 21/11/2014 by TacoMakerSkys
    CAV Platinum Sparx Gems: 6289
    #13 Posted: 09:13:12 21/11/2014 | Topic Creator
    Quote: somePerson
    I would like to change to Captain Falcon if I can.


    Done.

    Quote: TacoMakerSkys

    3: Idk what either mean sooo


    Double Elimination: You keep playing and winning until you lose. When you lose you enter the losers bracket and have the chance to get back in it and reach the finals. If you lose in the losers bracket, you're out for good.

    Round Robin: Everyone faces everyone at least once; those with most points move onto an elimination round OR whoever has most points at the end wins (not sure how this site handles round robin).

    NOTE: Final day for signups is Sunday. If you don't enter by then you aren't getting in. This also applies to people who signed up but haven't entered their FC yet.
    Edited 1 time - Last edited at 09:14:17 21/11/2014 by CAV
    sonicbrawler182 Platinum Sparx Gems: 7105
    #14 Posted: 09:43:34 21/11/2014
    FC: 4768-7658-5729

    I'll use Rosalina & Luma, and I vote for custom moves to be allowed, and a double elimination system.

    I'm actually not sure how free I'll be (keep in mind I'm in GMT time zone), but since there are no exact dates as of yet and the sign ups end on Sunday, there is no harm in me signing up now.
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    "My memories will be part of the sky."
    Edited 1 time - Last edited at 09:43:56 21/11/2014 by sonicbrawler182
    Will171717 Yellow Sparx Gems: 1208
    #15 Posted: 17:16:40 22/11/2014
    I think I'll switch to Ness
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    henlo
    TacoMakerSkys Platinum Sparx Gems: 5652
    #16 Posted: 20:34:27 22/11/2014
    Quote: CAV
    Quote: somePerson
    I would like to change to Captain Falcon if I can.


    Done.

    Quote: TacoMakerSkys

    3: Idk what either mean sooo


    Double Elimination: You keep playing and winning until you lose. When you lose you enter the losers bracket and have the chance to get back in it and reach the finals. If you lose in the losers bracket, you're out for good.

    Round Robin: Everyone faces everyone at least once; those with most points move onto an elimination round OR whoever has most points at the end wins (not sure how this site handles round robin).


    Oh ok, then count me in for Double Elimination.
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    words. letters. filler.
    Underian Emerald Sparx Gems: 3095
    #17 Posted: 21:58:06 22/11/2014
    Considering I now know what Round Robin is a I think I'll vote for Round Robin because I want to do as much fighting as possible.

    Also, since Custom Moves were banned last time ( Correct me if I'm wrong ). I just went against them.
    CAV Platinum Sparx Gems: 6289
    #18 Posted: 22:55:44 22/11/2014 | Topic Creator
    Quote: Will171717
    I think I'll switch to Ness


    Done.
    LunarDistortion Ripto Gems: 3606
    #19 Posted: 01:12:42 23/11/2014
    Quote: Underian
    Considering I now know what Round Robin is a I think I'll vote for Round Robin because I want to do as much fighting as possible.

    Also, since Custom Moves were banned last time ( Correct me if I'm wrong ). I just went against them.



    Custom Moves were allowed in my tournament.
    MagicFizz Emerald Sparx Gems: 3607
    #20 Posted: 02:37:15 23/11/2014
    CAV my Friend Code is 5258-1056-9243.
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    My life is complete.
    Underian Emerald Sparx Gems: 3095
    #21 Posted: 02:48:34 23/11/2014
    Quote: LunarDistortion
    Quote: Underian
    Considering I now know what Round Robin is a I think I'll vote for Round Robin because I want to do as much fighting as possible.

    Also, since Custom Moves were banned last time ( Correct me if I'm wrong ). I just went against them.



    Custom Moves were allowed in my tournament.


    Well, I was bound to be incorrect. My reasoning is that I followed the crowd.
    MagicFizz Emerald Sparx Gems: 3607
    #22 Posted: 12:30:27 23/11/2014
    Do I have to friend request all of the participants?
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    My life is complete.
    Matteomax Platinum Sparx Gems: 5378
    #23 Posted: 14:00:10 23/11/2014
    FC: 0662-4702-2657

    I'll be using Bowser.
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    Will still be checking the forums every now and then!
    Will171717 Yellow Sparx Gems: 1208
    #24 Posted: 18:52:30 23/11/2014
    ^It's not like he is OP or anything.
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    henlo
    sonicbrawler182 Platinum Sparx Gems: 7105
    #25 Posted: 19:16:49 23/11/2014
    Quote: Will171717
    ^It's not like he is OP or anything.



    He isn't though.

    Like, not even close to being OP.
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    "My memories will be part of the sky."
    somePerson Diamond Sparx Gems: 8864
    #26 Posted: 21:46:07 23/11/2014
    Quote: sonicbrawler182
    Quote: Will171717
    ^It's not like he is OP or anything.



    He isn't though.

    Like, not even close to being OP.



    TBH the game has no OP character.
    Will171717 Yellow Sparx Gems: 1208
    #27 Posted: 21:51:17 23/11/2014
    But that side smash tho
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    henlo
    Matteomax Platinum Sparx Gems: 5378
    #28 Posted: 21:55:51 23/11/2014
    Quote: Will171717
    But that side smash tho



    AKA: Slowest Smash in the game.
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    Will still be checking the forums every now and then!
    Will171717 Yellow Sparx Gems: 1208
    #29 Posted: 21:57:07 23/11/2014
    BUT IT LOOKS COOL ABOUT AS COOL AS LIKE A DOLPHIN WITH LAZERBEAMS
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    henlo
    TacoMakerSkys Platinum Sparx Gems: 5652
    #30 Posted: 22:26:50 23/11/2014
    Quote: Will171717
    But that side smash tho



    One slow move doesn't give a character the title of OP.
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    words. letters. filler.
    CAV Platinum Sparx Gems: 6289
    #31 Posted: 18:46:56 24/11/2014 | Topic Creator
    Alright signups are now CLOSED. Thanks to everyone for joining and voting on the issues at hand. Taking into account the votes of people who entered:

    Custom moves are banned (4-3 vote)
    Custom equipment is banned (unanimous)
    And the tournament will follow double elimination (3-2 vote)

    A bracket will be added later in the day, and we will officially begin.
    MagicFizz Emerald Sparx Gems: 3607
    #32 Posted: 20:14:46 24/11/2014
    Quote: MagicFizz
    Do I have to friend request all of the participants?


    ???????
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    My life is complete.
    CAV Platinum Sparx Gems: 6289
    #33 Posted: 21:19:08 24/11/2014 | Topic Creator
    You only need to friend the person that you're going to face. If you don't want them after feel free to delete.

    EDIT: The tourney is now underway. Here is the bracket (will also be posted in OP).

    Good luck to all.
    Edited 1 time - Last edited at 03:40:58 25/11/2014 by CAV
    somePerson Diamond Sparx Gems: 8864
    #34 Posted: 04:10:07 25/11/2014
    I can fight tomorrow.
    Will171717 Yellow Sparx Gems: 1208
    #35 Posted: 04:13:42 25/11/2014
    Me too
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    henlo
    CAV Platinum Sparx Gems: 6289
    #36 Posted: 02:02:59 26/11/2014 | Topic Creator
    Remember to post results of your wins here so I can update the bracket.
    Underian Emerald Sparx Gems: 3095
    #37 Posted: 22:00:24 26/11/2014
    Have any matches initiated yet?
    MagicFizz Emerald Sparx Gems: 3607
    #38 Posted: 22:22:33 26/11/2014
    Lunar, please let me know when you are ready!
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    My life is complete.
    Matteomax Platinum Sparx Gems: 5378
    #39 Posted: 22:28:39 26/11/2014
    I'll be able to fight later tonight.
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    Will still be checking the forums every now and then!
    Will171717 Yellow Sparx Gems: 1208
    #40 Posted: 22:59:46 26/11/2014
    Damn ^Matteomax I forfeit due to me not having my 3ds
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    henlo
    Matteomax Platinum Sparx Gems: 5378
    #41 Posted: 00:01:54 27/11/2014
    Welp.
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    Will still be checking the forums every now and then!
    CAV Platinum Sparx Gems: 6289
    #42 Posted: 04:00:15 27/11/2014 | Topic Creator
    ^Noted.

    If anyone else has results share them asap. If not, play your matches please.
    sonicbrawler182 Platinum Sparx Gems: 7105
    #43 Posted: 11:38:15 27/11/2014
    somePerson, I'm at home all day today and tomorrow, so whenever you're ready I can play.

    I'd rather do it today though, as Smash Wii U comes out in Europe tomorrow (EDIT: I also have a doctor's appointment tomorrow).
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    "My memories will be part of the sky."
    Edited 1 time - Last edited at 13:48:10 27/11/2014 by sonicbrawler182
    MagicFizz Emerald Sparx Gems: 3607
    #44 Posted: 13:34:04 27/11/2014
    I'll fight today Lunar. smilie
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    My life is complete.
    somePerson Diamond Sparx Gems: 8864
    #45 Posted: 15:01:47 27/11/2014
    Quote: sonicbrawler182
    somePerson, I'm at home all day today and tomorrow, so whenever you're ready I can play.

    I'd rather do it today though, as Smash Wii U comes out in Europe tomorrow (EDIT: I also have a doctor's appointment tomorrow).



    I can play tomorrow.
    MagicFizz Emerald Sparx Gems: 3607
    #46 Posted: 00:45:15 29/11/2014
    Lunar never replied.......
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    My life is complete.
    LunarDistortion Ripto Gems: 3606
    #47 Posted: 03:09:51 29/11/2014
    Quote: MagicFizz
    Lunar never replied.......



    I'm still trying to battle, I think we aren't online at the same times.
    MagicFizz Emerald Sparx Gems: 3607
    #48 Posted: 03:10:36 29/11/2014
    Oh, I'm online now if you want to play.
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    My life is complete.
    MagicFizz Emerald Sparx Gems: 3607
    #49 Posted: 03:15:11 29/11/2014
    OH NO!

    I dont have enough space for the update, and it is required for online play...

    *sigh*

    I can't play.

    I forfeit.
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    My life is complete.
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