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I didn't have much hope for this game. I read the impressions and nodded and went my way. But no. Sonic is like the cancerous mass that keeps coming back. The fact that I have to hear about how Sonic is on his feet again and making a great comeback is wrong.

The 3DS demo is horse****. It's not fun. It's not Sonic. It's slow. Boring. So whatever, carry on.

Here's the real deal. Sonic Boom for Wii U...it's a ****ing joke. It's hilarious too! Like, was it rushed to come out for the holiday season and to tie out with the show? What kind of developer releases this janky, broken mess? Especially Sega. I know it's a licensed game developed by BigRedButton, but where is the Quality Control? This game is a joke.





Not to mention, the game has severe frame rate drops, doesn't play like a Sonic game, has audio sync issues, and more. Hell, the game plays like ****. It's got textures in some areas that are worse than a PS2 title. If that's not convincing, go ahead and watch the LP's already up on Youtube. Sega didn't even send review units out.

I'm not even a huge Sonic fan. I played the Genesis originals, SA1+2, and the other 3D titles that slowly got worse as time came (exception to Generations). Hell, if I have to, my favorite Sonic game is Sonic 2! I will go out of the way and say the Genesis Sonic games are darn near perfect, actually. Also, to be honest here...the last Sonic game I bought on day 1 and was even excited for was Unleashed, and only half of the game was good. More like a third for Wii and PS2 owners.

Jesus Christ. Sonic '14 confirmed. How hard is it to make a digital 2D Sonic similar to the Genesis titles? Oh, that's right. You already tried. Haha. It's like they're exactly trying to reinvent Sonic with each game. It's ridiculous. I shouldn't even put the time and effort into creating this topic. I don't even care. It's hilarious, actually. I'm just trying to warn potential buyers and or parents who decide they want to buy a new Sonic game for their kids this Christmas.

It will be in the bargain bin within a few months. Hell, expect a price cut within weeks.

DO. NOT. BUY. THIS. GAME.

Good going Sega and BigRedButton.

Personally, I like the 3DS version from the demo. I've wanted an official "Metroidvania" Sonic title for a while, and that's basically what Shattered Crystal is, for the most part. I'll wait for more impressions on how later levels in the game shape up, though.

Not touching the Wii U version until it sees a patch, though. I'll probably get it used one day regardless though, just for ****s and giggles.

The Sonic Boom TV Show is looking really good so far, at least.

Sonic Heroes is the only good Sonic game

Wow that second video does make it look quite a bit like Sonic 06. Definitely looks like it wasn't ready for release but the publishers demanded it stay on schedule regardless.

Fortunately Sega has said repeatedly that Sonic Boom or the new designs and whatnot are not going to replace the actual Japanese characters and their games. So it's not like this is the permanent direction they're going in.

And Sonic was making a comeback with Colors, Generations, and (to a lesser extent) Lost World. It's a damn shame this is what could put an end to that. Here's hoping Sega and Sonic Team/Dimps can put something together in the next year or two.

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Jesus Christ. Sonic '14 confirmed. How hard is it to make a digital 2D Sonic similar to the Genesis titles? Oh, that's right. You already tried. Haha. It's like they're exactly trying to reinvent Sonic with each game. It's ridiculous. I shouldn't even put the time and effort into creating this topic. I don't even care. It's hilarious, actually. I'm just trying to warn potential buyers and or parents who decide they want to buy a new Sonic game for their kids this Christmas.

1. I think they did a good job at 2.5D Sonic games with the 2D sections of Generations and Colors, and Sonic 4.
2. Would you rather they kept everything the same so we could complain like we do with sports games and CoD?
3. If you don't care about this why did you put the effort into writing multiple paragraphs instead of just "Look at this video don't buy the game"?

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Sonic Heroes is the only good Sonic game

You have by far one of the worst opinions I have ever read on the internet. Do yourself a favor and play the genesis titles.

Then go play Generations.

SA2 is the best in the series. Generations got extremely close but I don't think there will be a Sonic game that gets that good for its time.

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SA2 is the best in the series. Generations got extremely close but I don't think there will be a Sonic game that gets that good for its time.

I think you need to replay SA2 and take those nostalgia glasses off. It's aged like crap.

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SA2 is the best in the series. Generations got extremely close but I don't think there will be a Sonic game that gets that good for its time.

I think you need to replay SA2 and take those nostalgia glasses off. It's aged like crap.

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SA2 is the best in the series. Generations got extremely close but I don't think there will be a Sonic game that gets that good for its time.

It hasn't aged the greatest but it still holds up and to me was a great package.

But objectively speaking I would say Generations was the best in the series.

Generations, Unleashed, Adventure DX, S3&K, and Black Knight are my personal highlights of the series. As well as the two Rush games. Lost World Wii U is great too, but it has more problems than the aforementioned games, IMO. The Taxman/Stealth remakes of Sonic 1, 2, and CD are also amazing (not that the originals weren't, these are just the definitive versions and feel more complete by today's standards).

Also, rumours of the next "Sonic Team" Sonic game are actually coming out already, and that it will be titled "Sonic Runners":

http://www.sonicstadium.org/20...-sonic-runners/

If I want pain, I'll get Sonic 06, thank you very much.

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Generations, Unleashed, Adventure DX, S3&K, and Black Knight are my personal highlights of the series. As well as the two Rush games. Lost World Wii U is great too, but it has more problems than the aforementioned games, IMO. The Taxman/Stealth remakes of Sonic 1, 2, and CD are also amazing (not that the originals weren't, these are just the definitive versions and feel more complete by today's standards).

I'd argue against that but I'm pretty certain we already have before.

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Generations, Unleashed, Adventure DX, S3&K, and Black Knight are my personal highlights of the series. As well as the two Rush games. Lost World Wii U is great too, but it has more problems than the aforementioned games, IMO. The Taxman/Stealth remakes of Sonic 1, 2, and CD are also amazing (not that the originals weren't, these are just the definitive versions and feel more complete by today's standards).

Also, rumours of the next "Sonic Team" Sonic game are actually coming out already, and that it will be titled "Sonic Runners":

http://www.sonicstadium.org/20...-sonic-runners/

You got some bad taste son.

Black Knight is flawed gameplay wise, but not enough to take away from the fact that everything else about the game is perfect:

-The graphics are some of the best on the Wii, with fantastic lighting and art direction.
-The presentation throughout even the menus is absolutely magnificent, making it really feel like you're in the world of a book.
-The soundtrack is easily one of the best the series has had. They may not be as easily memorable, but it had Jun Senoue and Richard Jacques collaborate, which resulted in a very varied soundtrack that fused the typical rock music from Sonic games before it, with a lot of Celtic influence, and it sounds amazing, with a dynamic atmosphere throughout the whole soundtrack.
-The voice acting is tied with Unleashed for being the best performance by the 4Kids cast. I was actually somewhat peeved that the 4Kids cast was let go right after this game, because their performance was honestly top notch here, and it's a shame we didn't get to see them do more stuff like this. This is helped by the game's magnificent writing, with a lot of lines that just inherently drive some sort of emotion. Sonic and Caliburn's interactions in particular are a real treat.
-Sonic has always been one of my favourite fictional characters, and this game epitomises why. His characterisation is flawless in this game, and represents exactly how he should be portrayed. If you want to find out why in more detail, this post describes it better than I could.

Again, the gameplay isn't perfect at all. But it's not terrible by any stretch, and without all of these other qualities the game has, I'd probably only enjoy it in hour long bursts at most. However, these things make it very easy for me to play through all of Black Knight in one sitting and not get bored.

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You got some bad taste son.

And you've got generic, sheep-like taste.

The graphics for Black Knight are great for the Wii and there is some decent presentation but everything else falls apart. Soundtrack is forgettable, story is lackluster at best, and VA doesn't sound any different than what I'm used to. It would all be forgivable if the gameplay wasn't so boringly mediocre. It's just tilt the stick forward, waggle the wiimote, and occasionally press a button to jump.

It's the game that made me snap out of the fanboy attitude I had with Sonic as a child. It's where I finally drew the line and said "no I will not accept this anymore".

I don't see how Black Knight's story is lackluster. SA2's story is full of holes and tried way too hard to over complicate things with pointless (and "edgy") fluff. Black Knight kept things relatively simple, but meaningful. It's completely solid and everything ties together nicely, and is wrapped up nicely. Secret Rings has a better story, but this one was still really good.

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I don't see how Black Knight's story is lackluster. SA2's story is full of holes and tried way too hard to over complicate things with pointless (and "edgy") fluff. Black Knight kept things relatively simple, but meaningful. It's completely solid and everything ties together nicely, and is wrapped up nicely. Secret Rings has a better story, but this one was still really good.

It's time to stop posting, man.

I'm not sure what edgy fluff you refer to in SA2, aside from parts of the story that directly involve Shadow and his relationship with Maria. I feel as though the real "edgy" stuff was in Shadow the Hedgehog.

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And you've got generic, sheep-like taste.

I've got generic taste for liking the objectively superior titles? Sure. I can come to terms with generic taste. It's still better than your crap reasons for preferring the modern titles that are known for their flaws.

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And you've got generic, sheep-like taste.

I've got generic taste for liking the objectively superior titles? Sure. I can come to terms with generic taste. It's still better than your crap reasons for preferring the modern titles that are known for their flaws.

Sonicbrawler likes the classic games as well. Don't recall him having a preference either way.

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And you've got generic, sheep-like taste.

I've got generic taste for liking the objectively superior titles? Sure. I can come to terms with generic taste. It's still better than your crap reasons for preferring the modern titles that are known for their flaws.

Sonicbrawler likes the classic games as well. Don't recall him having a preference either way.

The way he put it was that he preferred the modern titles over the genesis era of games.

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The way he put it was that he preferred the modern titles over the Genesis era of games.

Does it really matter if he does? Does his preference affect you in any way, shape, or form?

(I'm not a Sonic fan, btw, but I'm just seriously bothered by this) (oh, I also apologize if this sounded rude)

Shh. Quit trying to ruin my show.

(Yeah I've been lurking and reading all of this)

Also, Zer0 your glitch vid got taken down and no longer works. Was funny while it was there though.

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I've got generic taste for liking the objectively superior titles? Sure. I can come to terms with generic taste. It's still better than your crap reasons for preferring the modern titles that are known for their flaws.

Sonicbrawler likes the classic games as well. Don't recall him having a preference either way.

The way he put it was that he preferred the modern titles over the genesis era of games.

I don't judge a game based on it's arbitrary classification, or by the popular opinion. I simply weigh it on it's own merits. I don't have a preference for Classic or Modern Sonic (and in terms of gameplay styles, that isn't a a very satisfactory divide to make - lots of Sonic games have very different gameplay styles. Sonic CD is a very different game to 1, 2, & 3, for example, even if it controls similarly). Similarly, I am open minded to Sonic Boom. I don't have a high opinion on the Wii U game right now, the 3DS game seems OK right now (not amazing but not terrible, should at least be a fun diversion when I want to take a break from Smash 3DS down the line), and I'm really liking the TV Show so far. See, I have three different opinions on each section of this Sonic sub-brand even though they share a lot of inherent qualities.

As far as SA2's pointless fluff goes, there's quite a bit of it, causing a lot of plotholes, but most notable is pretty much the whole set up for the Last Story. The ending is fine and I quite like it, but everything leading up to it is clearly trying to ham up something overly dramatic without it feeling natural at all. There is very little build up to it at all, and we are just supposed to accept that Gerald could SOMEHOW build a giant **** you laser that would destroy the planet when all 7 Chaos Emeralds are planted into it. The set up makes no sense, since Gerald was aboard the ARK researching to SAVE humanity, and more specifically, finding a cure for Maria's NIDS. Not only that, but he was doing this as per the government's request. So he had absolutely no reason to build such a thing, but also could not realistically do so since he had government officials to watch him. Saying he built it after Maria's death doesn't work either, as Gerald was apprehended at the same time. So basically, the entire set up for this an ass-pull, and make no sense. It exists solely as an overblown excuse to add peril to the story, when they could have come up with something that made more sense.

Compare it to Black Knight - Merlina betrays Sonic near the end, but there is clear foreshadowing to it from the very beginning. Only minutes into the game, Merlina ponders the point in a flower blooming when it is destined to wither in a short time. However, there is more to it - the particular flower Merlina holds during this monologue is a Marigold - in the language of flowers, these symbolise grief, cruelty, and jealousy - all of which are qualities Merlina represents as a character later on in the story, and are her driving force. Considering how Black Knight makes direct reference to the language of flowers through the collectible "treasures" that are flowers - this is very intentional, and serves as the foreshadowing that Merlina should not be trusted. However, Sonic only picks up on the relevance of the Marigold later on (and the fact he does at all proves to the player that it was plot important all along, and the meaning of a Marigold in the language of flowers in relation to this story is no coincidence - oh, and it also reveals an interesting little note about Sonic - he clearly has at least a basic understanding of the language of flowers. This is also demonstrated in Sonic X):



There are many more instances of little details like this in Black Knight, including the little clues to Merlina turning bad like she did. But either way, both games had a similar end game set up - a seemingly good person turning out to be the big bad. However, Black Knight handles it way better. It makes sense with what material is provided in game, it is hinted it at, but not too obviously, and since the character in question meant a lot more to the main hero (Sonic), it created some interesting conflict that led to some meaningful character development/revelations for both the hero and the villain.

SA2's Last Story was just a hammed up epic finale that made no sense, with the only meaningful and satisfying development being Shadow's realisation of Maria's true wish and the sacrifice he made thereafter (however, that raises another problem, because he SHOULD have came to that realisation much sooner - but that is an entirely different issue).

Eh, I had no interest in either of these games. And I'm saying this as a Ratchet & Clank and Jak & Daxter fan. Because Rise of Lyric looks like some sort of strange hybrid between the games. Also, at least in the United States, Sonic Boom apparently got a 7 am time slot on Saturday morning. That's essentially the child-friendly version of the infamous "Friday Night Death Slot." So it would seem like, behind the scenes, SEGA's trying to sink this little ship before it sets sail. Or something like that. *shrug*

i can buy what i wanna buy.

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i can buy what i wanna buy.

Pretty much this.

This is probably going to stir the pot even more, but I have to get my opinion out there.

Shadow the Hedgehog is a great game. Honest. First sonic game I ever played, and I was not disappointed. It plays well, has a good story (stories), features a large cast of characters, weapons and vehicles that mix up the feel of the game, a great soundtrack, and a multitude of different themed stages.

All in all, I love this game, and I probably always will.

Ok, first I would like to agree with Kardonis's assessment wholeheartedly

Next, this fight is unnecessary! True, the series has seen some dark days, but they're trying. The past few games have been good in my opinion (Which I don't think highly of my opinions myself actually) To say Sonic Boom is the new Sonic '06 is like saying LittleBigPlanet3 is equal in quality to Action 52! There is no way any Sonic game can be as bad as Sonic '06. We need to just play the games, judge them based on overall value, then if we don't like it, express it in a positive way instead of acting like a jerk. I respect the opinions of others, but if they conflict with mine, I listen to their side and respond in an appropriate way.

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i can buy what i wanna buy.

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i can buy what i wanna buy.

Pretty much this.

C'mon, don't waste your parents money. ;)

The sonic fandom is like the worst fandom ever. they ***** about everything but the genese games like they're from god or something. the genesis titles have flaws too but no instead of pointing out those you put on your nostolgia goggles and complain about anything new that comes out before even trying it. here i have a piece of advece for you:

Take off your nostolgia goggle and wake up there are flaws in ALL sonic games not just the new ones.
Dont be an A@@ hole to other peoples opinions they can play any game they like without you ****ting on them.

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The sonic fandom is like the worst fandom ever. they ***** about everything but the genese games like they're from god or something. the genesis titles have flaws too but no instead of pointing out those you put on your nostolgia goggles and complain about anything new that comes out before even trying it. here i have a piece of advece for you:

Take off your nostolgia goggle and wake up there are flaws in ALL sonic games not just the new ones.
Dont be an A@@ hole to other peoples opinions they can play any game they like without you ****ting on them.

What pot are you smoking? The Genesis Sonic games are pretty good and aged like fine wine. Could you pinpoint a few flaws for me in the Genesis Sonic titles (1-3&K)?

The new game is literally trash. The biggest Sonic fan on twitter game the game a 0/10, making remarks that Sonic Boom is tiresome and depressing to play.
There's also a handful of glitches and bugs. It doesn't even play like a Sonic fan.

I'm looking forward to playing Sonic Boom when I get the chance. However, I feel that the old vs new usual sonic debate was unneeded.

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i can buy what i wanna buy.

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i can buy what i wanna buy.

Pretty much this.

C'mon, don't waste your parents money.

can you like not

like seriously this thread's existence is boring itself and that post is just even more boring. you're argument is also boring.

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i can buy what i wanna buy.

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Pretty much this.

C'mon, don't waste your parents money. ;)

can you like not

like seriously this thread's existence is boring itself and that post is just even more boring. you're argument is also boring.

Care to explain why?

I created the thread to persuade people to look into the game before making a choice on whether or not to purchase the game.

I could go ahead and also say: "Your post is boring and your contribution to this thread is boring", but instead I'd rather like to hear why you think my thread is boring.

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I'm looking forward to playing Sonic Boom when I get the chance. However, I feel that the old vs new usual sonic debate was unneeded.

I hope you're renting it...

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I hope you're renting it...

No, I'm buying it. Can't really change that~

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C'mon, don't waste your parents money.

can you like not

like seriously this thread's existence is boring itself and that post is just even more boring. you're argument is also boring.

Care to explain why?

I created the thread to persuade people to look into the game before making a choice on whether or not to purchase the game.

I could go ahead and also say: "Your post is boring and your contribution to this thread is boring", but instead I'd rather like to hear why you think my thread is boring.

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I'm looking forward to playing Sonic Boom when I get the chance. However, I feel that the old vs new usual sonic debate was unneeded.

I hope you're renting it...

You're thread is boring because this is low. You are choosing to manipulate the opinions through a peer pressure-like propaganda to go against buying a game that someone could possibly like. As you said renting something is a simple way to see if you like a game or a noncommentating walkthrough to observe the game and see how it is. why persuade people when they can decide for themselves. thats why this is super boring. plus you're a cool guy, so this is just low for you.

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can you like not

like seriously this thread's existence is boring itself and that post is just even more boring. you're argument is also boring.

Care to explain why?

I created the thread to persuade people to look into the game before making a choice on whether or not to purchase the game.

I could go ahead and also say: "Your post is boring and your contribution to this thread is boring", but instead I'd rather like to hear why you think my thread is boring.

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I'm looking forward to playing Sonic Boom when I get the chance. However, I feel that the old vs new usual sonic debate was unneeded.

I hope you're renting it...

You're thread is boring because this is low. You are choosing to manipulate the opinions through a peer pressure-like propaganda to go against buying a game that someone could possibly like. As you said renting something is a simple way to see if you like a game or a noncommentating walkthrough to observe the game and see how it is. why persuade people when they can decide for themselves. thats why this is super boring. plus you're a cool guy, so this is just low for you.

You're over analyzing my comments. The game is a broken mess, and it's not even fun. I'm only trying to persuade people into either not buying it or renting it instead.

I think you're overreacting.

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Care to explain why?

I created the thread to persuade people to look into the game before making a choice on whether or not to purchase the game.

I could go ahead and also say: "Your post is boring and your contribution to this thread is boring", but instead I'd rather like to hear why you think my thread is boring.


I hope you're renting it...

You're thread is boring because this is low. You are choosing to manipulate the opinions through a peer pressure-like propaganda to go against buying a game that someone could possibly like. As you said renting something is a simple way to see if you like a game or a noncommentating walkthrough to observe the game and see how it is. why persuade people when they can decide for themselves. thats why this is super boring. plus you're a cool guy, so this is just low for you.

You're over analyzing my comments. The game is a broken mess, and it's not even fun. I'm only trying to persuade people into either not buying it or renting it instead.

I think you're overreacting.

of course someone like me im overreacting. im a teen with access to the internet who finds your thread boring. i'm gonna go draw crappy crap now. have fun with your boring thread and the continuous, pointless and boring process of just arguing with other people over a game series where a Hedgehog runs fast.

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You're thread is boring because this is low. You are choosing to manipulate the opinions through a peer pressure-like propaganda to go against buying a game that someone could possibly like. As you said renting something is a simple way to see if you like a game or a noncommentating walkthrough to observe the game and see how it is. why persuade people when they can decide for themselves. thats why this is super boring. plus you're a cool guy, so this is just low for you.

You're over analyzing my comments. The game is a broken mess, and it's not even fun. I'm only trying to persuade people into either not buying it or renting it instead.

I think you're overreacting.

of course someone like me im overreacting. im a teen with access to the internet who finds your thread boring. i'm gonna go draw crappy crap now. have fun with your boring thread and the continuous, pointless and boring process of just arguing with other people over a game series where a Hedgehog runs fast.

Haha.

You're really acting silly, man.

In all honesty though you kind of are shoving your opinion down our throats here.

I mean, you're comparing it to early Sonic titles, like that matters to make a choice about whether or not to get it.

Bugs? There will be patches.

If people really want to buy it, they'll buy it.

The original point of the thread is a good one. Pointing out the bugs and problems of Sonic Boom as to help people make a better decision as to if they want to buy it or not. I think he was doing the right thing as to warn us about what could potentially turn out to be a broken game.

However, everything else past that has a tone of superiority to it and wasn't necessary.

And I swear people wouldn't be using the "if they want to buy it let them" argument if we were talking about Skylanders or CoD...

Yeah I'm DEFINITELY not buying until it's patched.

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Care to explain why?

I created the thread to persuade people to look into the game before making a choice on whether or not to purchase the game.

I could go ahead and also say: "Your post is boring and your contribution to this thread is boring", but instead I'd rather like to hear why you think my thread is boring.


I hope you're renting it...

You're thread is boring because this is low. You are choosing to manipulate the opinions through a peer pressure-like propaganda to go against buying a game that someone could possibly like. As you said renting something is a simple way to see if you like a game or a noncommentating walkthrough to observe the game and see how it is. why persuade people when they can decide for themselves. thats why this is super boring. plus you're a cool guy, so this is just low for you.

You're over analyzing my comments. The game is a broken mess, and it's not even fun. I'm only trying to persuade people into either not buying it or renting it instead.

I think you're overreacting.

So... how do you feel about Skate 3?

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You're thread is boring because this is low. You are choosing to manipulate the opinions through a peer pressure-like propaganda to go against buying a game that someone could possibly like. As you said renting something is a simple way to see if you like a game or a noncommentating walkthrough to observe the game and see how it is. why persuade people when they can decide for themselves. thats why this is super boring. plus you're a cool guy, so this is just low for you.

You're over analyzing my comments. The game is a broken mess, and it's not even fun. I'm only trying to persuade people into either not buying it or renting it instead.

I think you're overreacting.

So... how do you feel about Skate 3?

Leaves this here.

Sorry if I'm furthering the argument pleasedon'thateme

hahah i actually want to buy sonic boom wii u now because it's such a mess, but i'll wait for the price to go way down

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hahah i actually want to buy sonic boom wii u now because it's such a mess, but i'll wait for the price to go way down

I'm in the same boat, Put this on my "Terrible games to play and laugh at" list, alongside Sonic '06 and the Zelda CDi games.

I'm buying it cause I like sonic games. Though I'll see if the price drops first within a month or 2

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I'm buying it cause I like sonic games. Though I'll see if the price drops first within a month or 2

might wanna see some game breaking glitches before you buy

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I'm buying it cause I like sonic games. Though I'll see if the price drops first within a month or 2

Forgetting all of the glitches, I should warn you the game is quite short. Even if the price does drop, I don't think you'll want to spend the money for such a short console game. <.<;