darkSpyro

What's your opinion?

Nope.

It'd probably change a lot lf things, but, collapse it, no.

Unless it went nuclear, no. We'd survive, we always do.

I believe it'll change it in an extreme way.

War has changed.

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War has changed.

It's no longer about nations, ideologies, or ethnicity.

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War has changed.

It's no longer about nations, ideologies, or ethnicity.

It's an endless series of proxy battles, fought by mercenaries and machines.

Holy Crap. A WWIII is not gonna ****ing happen DAMMIT.

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
-- Albert Einstein

Yes it would (nuclear use is practically a guarantee in the event of WWIII). But I'm thinking that such a threat is a bit far off.

You have to take into account what the first two World Wars did. WWI lead to the collapse of several empires and also a fair few revolutions, the most prominent of which being the Russian Revolution. The war brought about new, deadly technology, some of which you're not even allowed to use anymore because of how ****ed up they were. WWI put Germany in great debt that was only made worse with the Depression, and the desperation that followed with it allowed the Nazi party to take control, with the promise that things will get better.
WWII, which was fought on an even larger scale with more participants, had a serious change in tone. Battles were fought in towns and cities instead of trenches and civilian casualties were at an all time high. Almost entire nations were reduced to rubble from the fighting. Horrific acts that could only be described as genocide were committed in concentration camps, Japanese-Americans were seen as criminals, and Stalin's strategies and orders ("Not a step back!") practically ensured millions of casualties, though for the benefit of wearing out the Germans. Germany was split into two nations at the end, the two remaining superpowers of the world found themselves fighting pretty much for world dominance, and the first nuclear weapons used in battle destroyed two cities entirely and forced them into a rebuilding process that took decades.

Without WWI, there wouldn't be a WWII. And without WWII, the world would be a vastly different place today. WWIII, with the advancements in technology today and a more global and connected economy, would change the course of history yet again, and for the worse.

^ That or we will become the IRL Fallout game series.

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Holy Crap. A WWIII is not gonna ****ing happen DAMMIT.

This is a BIG IF, all Im asking is what you think would happen IF it did occur. Not if you think it'd happen.

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It'd probably change a lot lf things, but, collapse it, no.

This.

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Well, I believe that WW3 will bring about the ultimate end of the world..
(And if I go into detail it will bring religion into this, and knowing this place I don't think that's a good idea. XP )

Could it happen? Yes. Do I think it would be the end of the world? No. Many people would die as a result, but I think there would be survivors.

Well, now many countries have nuclear weapons, so, I believe it could...

Will it change the world? There is no doubt about that.

Ending the world? Only if every single nuclear device exploded at once.
Which is highly unlikely.


There are two outcomes for us in the event of a global nuclear war.

The total annihilation of our species.
Or the survivors eventually forming factions across the globe that evolve into nations/countries.


In the end of every scenario, life will survive.

best korea wins

If nukes are used we all die but I doubt it would happen for a while.

The nuclear nonproliferation treaty ensures that all but 4 countries in the world are moving towards nuclear disarmament. The others don't even have nukes yet, as far as I know. I think a WWIII would be a long way from now anyway, so it might just be machines fighting our war then.

It depends on what the sides are…
if you’re talking about the Ukraine situation, assuming the EU/US stepped in (and they should, because the Ukraine gave up its massive nuclear arsenal under the presumption we’d have their backs) – I think the world wouldn’t change too much. Neither side would be entering combat under the auspices of religious zealotry, and no one is dumb enough to start lobbing nuclear, chemical or biological weaponry.

The Ukraine situation isn’t likely to turn into a world war because, despite the fact that we all promised the Ukraine we’d protect them if they had issues after giving up their nukes, the west doesn’t have the stomach for a fall-on war after Afghanistan and Iraq.
It’s actually darkly humorous, because Afghanistan/Iraq went so badly because the ‘west’ won the (super short) ‘wars’, but then got bogged down in country building and policing that the army was never designed to actually do – they fight wars, they aren’t trained to act as a police force. It happened that way in because Afghanistan/Iraq because many of the people in those regions (frankly) are driven by religious ideology that compels them to subjugate others (witness the groups in Afghanistan that STILL want to stop girls going to school or the different groups in Iraq who all want each other dead). Whereas that ideology isn’t present in the same way in Russia/Ukraine, so in theory the army could have done what they are actually trained for (war) without the horrible follow-up.

If the war was against a religious State - knowing the West, we would drive moderate members of that religion into the arms of the zealots – because we are apparently incapable of seeing the difference between faith, culture and zealotry. Zealotry doesn’t know reason and would never accept the idea of defeat, so there is every chance of nuclear, chemical or biological weaponry being employed for the good of ‘the cause’.

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The nuclear nonproliferation treaty ensures that all but 4 countries in the world are moving towards nuclear disarmament. The others don't even have nukes yet, as far as I know. I think a WWIII would be a long way from now anyway, so it might just be machines fighting our war then.

That’s the real danger of what’s happening with the Ukraine. By not standing up to Russia on behalf of the Ukraine (who once had more nukes then the UK, France and China COMBINED), we are essentially telling the rest of the world that they had better get some nukes, because otherwise the world will just stand and watch when you’re in trouble. If Russia invades and the world does nothing, expect to see all moves towards nuclear disarmament evaporate.

It’d also send the signal that the West is all empty threats. What if China seizes the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands from Japan, like they’ve been threatening to? Or makes a move against Taiwan? This bolsters those who argue that China can do so without fear of reprisal.

It would change a lot, but who knows?

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War has changed.

It's no longer about nations, ideologies, or ethnicity.

It's an endless series of proxy battles, fought by mercenaries and machines.

Team Fortr-*shot*

I like Prydain already.

And I agree that the Ukraine situation will not lead to WWIII. Even ignoring the War on Terror, most nations are aware of just how destructive WWII and nuclear weapons were. Not only that, but conventional warfare as it stands is pretty much a useless tactic now that could do more harm than good to your own soldiers (see: Vietnam).

Not to make light of the situation in Ukraine, but it will take a hell of a lot more than that to start World War III.

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Well, I believe that WW3 will bring about the ultimate end of the world..
(And if I go into detail it will bring religion into this, and knowing this place I don't think that's a good idea. XP )

Please do so. This is the place to discuss this sort of thing.

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That’s the real danger of what’s happening with the Ukraine. By not standing up to Russia on behalf of the Ukraine (who once had more nukes then the UK, France and China COMBINED), we are essentially telling the rest of the world that they had better get some nukes, because otherwise the world will just stand and watch when you’re in trouble. If Russia invades and the world does nothing, expect to see all moves towards nuclear disarmament evaporate.

I stand by the opinion of how the US shouldn't often get involved and play world police, as attempts to do so (especially in recent years) have had catastrophic results. If we hadn't have just gone through a decade of unnecessary war, though, I would not be so iffy about them going into Ukraine (I said the same thing elsewhere about Syria last year). But even despite that, with the strained relations the US and Russia have, I'm not sure if we can afford to do much ourselves.

That being said, I do agree that the rest of the western world should get involved in some way. Trying to negotiate doesn't seem to be an option as one side refuses to talk and the other will talk but only in ways that would benefit him. And I don't believe sanctions are really enough on Russia, as they do have a domestic economy capable of keeping afloat at lest for a little while.

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Well, I believe that WW3 will bring about the ultimate end of the world..
(And if I go into detail it will bring religion into this, and knowing this place I don't think that's a good idea. XP )

Please do so. This is the place to discuss this sort of thing.

Well, alright. (FYI, when I "Go into detail", it's not much and will only last a few words...I'm definitely a "Plain and simple/to the point" sort of person. XP )
Well, I believe that whenever WW3 does start, and everyone goes to war with each other, the armies will be marching/running towards each other on the battlefield, and, to put it simply, the Second Coming will just begin, and that will bring about the end of the world.
....That was short. >.>

I'm one of those nutcases who firmly believes that if World War III is going to happen it will likely go nuclear. And, as far-fetched as it sounds, I believe the catalyst will be Pakistan and their sour relationship with India. Their government is not particularly stable, the Taliban operates within their borders, and they are a nuclear power, even if it's not US or Russia levels. It might not completely collapse the world, but I could see something disastrous happening there. <.<

World War III will be the biggest war yet.

North America will be divided into the empire of Morochna. 4 corners will be ruled by different things. Their rulers will be aliens, witches, cows, illuminati.

Alaska and Canada will be combined into a great alien empire and all humans who live there will be enslaved.

South America will be splitting into 2 plates and be refuge for survivors of World War III

Europe will be ruled by demons, Russia by aliens, China and all countries around it illuminati.

Africa will collide into Europe and form a super nation ruled by aliens, demons and the Illuminati.

Australia will be the main HQ for Mann Co. The Australians will become super intelligent, grow chest hair in the shape of Australia, become physically fit to the level of where it looks like your using steroids and grow moustaches. Mann Co. will hire 9 mercenaries and send them to fight in the desert.

This is all happening in 2016 guys, get ready.

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World War III will be the biggest war yet.

North America will be divided into the empire of Morochna. 4 corners will be ruled by different things. Their rulers will be aliens, witches, cows, illuminati.

Alaska and Canada will be combined into a great alien empire and all humans who live there will be enslaved.

South America will be splitting into 2 plates and be refuge for survivors of World War III

Europe will be ruled by demons, Russia by aliens, China and all countries around it illuminati.

Africa will collide into Europe and form a super nation ruled by aliens, demons and the Illuminati.

Australia will be the main HQ for Mann Co. The Australians will become super intelligent, grow chest hair in the shape of Australia, become physically fit to the level of where it looks like your using steroids and grow moustaches. Mann Co. will hire 9 mercenaries and send them to fight in the desert.

This is all happening in 2016 guys, get ready.

No one will stop us..! >:D

I don't know.

If we are talking Russia/Ukraine I think it might also be important to quickly outline the two narratives that surround the crisis.

Background:
Ukraine is a somewhat divided country. Within its borders are a diverse range of people, and some provinces of the country actually speak Russian and would rather be a part of Russia. There is also the native population – 12% (or thereabouts) are Tatars who were forcibly removed from their land by Stalin in the past and now they’ve been allowed back they tend to hate Moscow.

Narrative A:
The Democratically elected leader of the country (officially just over 48% of people voted for him) is pushed out of power by a group of violent, armed rioters – in what was essentially an armed coup d'état. With him gone the protestors grab power and start to make laws that would severely disadvantage much of the Russian-speaking population (like removing Russian as an official 2nd language), and that’s not a small group.
Russian-speaking Ukrainians and the democratically elected leader of the country have asked Russia to step in and restore order (not to mention protect Russian owned military bases, that sit on land Russia leases from Ukrainian, from the group that grabbed power).

Narrative B:
The Ukrainian people rose up to throw a vicious, incompetent and bloodthirsty ruler out of power… a ruler that may have cheated in the election, definitely did imprison his political opponents, ordered snipers to kill protestors, tortured prisoners and sold out the Ukraine to Russia in order to line his own pockets.
With the people now in control of the country, the provisional (but unelected) government makes moves to distance itself from Russia and get closer to the EU… which angers Russia, who sweeps in to control the lower part of the country.

The important thing to remember here is that both these narratives are true. International politics is never easy, and this situation is no exception.


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I'm one of those nutcases who firmly believes that if World War III is going to happen it will likely go nuclear. And, as far-fetched as it sounds, I believe the catalyst will be Pakistan and their sour relationship with India. Their government is not particularly stable, the Taliban operates within their borders, and they are a nuclear power, even if it's not US or Russia levels. It might not completely collapse the world, but I could see something disastrous happening there. <.<

I don’t think that’s farfetched at all. You have two nuclear powers living next door, and many of the citizens hate each other. Not friendly New Zealand/Australia or USA/Canada style rivalry, but actual hate.
One is becoming a powerful player in the world economically (India) despite some worrying politics, while the other is mired in internal conflicts, corruption and a growing group of religious extremists.
Of all the flashpoints in the world, that one has the biggest potential to go up like a freaken powder-keg.

When you speak about history and current events, there are 3 questions you must ask:

1. What's the political effect?
2. What's the economic effect?
3. What's the social effect?

Political - A third world war would lead to political chaos without a doubt. Alliances would form, propaganda would be spread, and rhetoric would take over all media. But after it ends, things will definitely calm down a bit, just like they always do.

Economic - If it's anything like the last two, a third world war would bring a lot of economic prosperity, actually. People would be buying war bonds to support the troops, military bases would be employing more people than ever, and corporate businesses would contribute to the war effort with very green results.

Social - Do we really need to answer this one? Citizens of one side would portray those of the other as monsters, and more children would be raised to hate their so-called "enemies." This is probably the most tragic side, because how a new society feels about things will determine every decision they make.

A great video on the Ukraine:

We should train soldiers for 40 years and just fight the 3rd World War like Spartans.