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#1 Posted: 11:56:54 17/02/2014 | Topic Creator
So I know there is a final fantasy topic but I figured this needed its own topic.So I am thinking about getting this game but people keep telling me not to since it is really bad.I have been watching an LP of it by HCBailly and I think it is good so far.I would like if someone would tell me what people find so bad about in a passive manner.
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#2 Posted: 13:58:07 17/02/2014
-People think it's too linear and feel like it's just a bunch of hallways with battles in them.
-People don't enjoy the battle system. -They don't enjoy, or in some cases, understand the story. -They don't enjoy the characters. Those are the most common complaints I see. All are completely subjective. FFXIII is my favourite of the main series, tied with FFIX. I also really liked XIII-2, and I am eagerly waiting for my copy of Lightning Returns to arrive in the post (SHOULD be here by now, they're taking longer than usual though. Hopefully I get it tomorrow.>.>). Regarding the "it's too linear" argument, you should not have a problem with that if you've played Final Fantasy games in the past, especially if you loved FFX, which is even more linear than XIII is. And even while XIII is in the linear half of the game, each location generally has some sort of gimmick that freshens each area up. XIII really opens up in the later half of the game, with lots of side quests and secrets to find. Also, you don't have to worry about random encounters here. Every enemy is visible on the field, making it less monotonous when you are travelling through linear areas. You don't have the option to flee from battles, but because nearly every battle is a specific enemy set up that was designed to have a specific challenge to it, you don't find yourself repeating the exact same battle TOO often.
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#3 Posted: 14:34:51 17/02/2014 | Topic Creator
Thank you for the info.This would be my first final fantasy game unless my DS copy of Final Fantasy IV gets here soon.I do plan on getting it now.It looks amazing graphically and I may also get the sequel.
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#4 Posted: 21:14:36 17/02/2014
As far as Lightning Returns is concerned, I find Lightning downright unlikeable as a protagonist. And the plot excuse they give for how empty and apathetic she is about everything is not convincing. But that's just me... <.<;;
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#5 Posted: 21:49:25 18/02/2014
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I got the game today and... ...from what I've played so far, I don't quite understand what you mean. I know there is that whole "God is keeping my emotions in check" plot point, but ironically, she still ends up being anything but apathetic. It's hard to explain without spoiling certain things, but she is actually quite openly helpful in most cases. When she is begrudgingly helping a person, it's because she either doesn't feel it's her area of expertise, she doesn't like how the person handles things (like a guy who'd been betrayed by his fiánce dealing with it through drinking), or questions whether or not they deserve help. And regarding main quests, she expresses some rather complex feelings on the situations. And then there is her reactions to the more humourous parts, which are very funny.
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#6 Posted: 23:54:27 18/02/2014
final hallway xiii
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#7 Posted: 01:35:47 19/02/2014
I don't know, I haven't play these games yet, but I really want to try them (these are the ONLY FF games I haven't play)
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#8 Posted: 02:32:29 19/02/2014
Ohoho, where to start?
1) The story is terribly written, explains nothing regarding it's setting or the rules of said setting, has numerous plot holes, has bland, single note and otherwise unlikable characters, an example of terrible pacing: "We are in X-Place, it was a <insert former purpose here> now it's filled with monsters. It may be a good place to practice." this happens MORE THAN ONCE in the story it's basically the writers telling you to GRIND! Oh and did I mention IT ONLY GETS "GOOD" AFTER 20 SODDING HOURS! That is the common excuse of the FFXIII apologist, "It gets good after the first 20 hours." Planescape: Torment is not even THAT long and managed to tell a better story than this disgrace to RPGs. If the writers weren't huffing paint the entire time and actually wrote a story that WENT SOMEWHERE FFXIII wouldn't have 3 FECKING PARTS! Also the whole "Friendship conquers all" cop-out, it's so saccharine it's enough to make you vomit. 2) Remember the older Final Fantasy games(like 7-12) that had a lot of depth and complexity to their combat and leveling systems? That was basically the only good part of them seeing as they usually had terrible stories(barring 7 because that one actually had decent pacing and a reasonable protagonist). Guess what FFXIII doesn't have? Yup! The skill trees all go one way, leveling is piss easy and combat pretty much plays itself, you have very little input when it comes to combat seeing as the computer does most of the work for you. 3) This game is nothing but style over substance, it's animation ****ery. It has no soul, no reason to exist but yet here it is. I live in a world where Final Fantasy is more successful than Planescape, Ravenloft or even fecking Shadowrun, it's just depressing. And the fact that this game has fans makes me want to spit blood. I could go on and on but I feel an uncomfortable burning in the back of my skull, so I will stop now before my head explodes from rage. I will now spend 30 minutes on the toilet and crap red hot fury! Final Fantasy in general just pisses me off.
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#9 Posted: 03:06:54 19/02/2014
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#10 Posted: 23:10:02 19/02/2014
"a-at least it l-looks good!!!!!" - Average FF fanboy defending XIII
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#11 Posted: 00:39:50 20/02/2014
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i'm sorry but i dont want to wait 20 hours for a game to be at best decent |
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#12 Posted: 13:20:03 20/02/2014
Linearity =/= A bad game.
People never had a problem liking Sonic Adventure 2, now did they? Or every other Final Fantasy? Mainly FFX, which is blatantly even more linear than FFXIII. Like I said, at least FFXIII got open at SOME point, compared to FFX, which just let you revisit previous areas that are linear through what was essentially a level select screen. And the open half of FFXIII is WAY more open than anything most other FF games have. And at least the game went on to spawn Lightning Returns, which is definitely one of the most open FF games ever. And the world is huge too. Heck, the world map screens in FF games are just hallways, with mountains for walls, with nothing really...there. Nothing to look at but grass, grass, mountain walls, some ocean, and more grass. You get the odd town occasionally, and a cave, but the towns are generally tiny, and the caves are as linear as anything XIII provides. If you don't like linearity by principle, that's fine (sure, you're stopping yourself from liking the majority of video games, but whatever floats your boat). But saying XIII is bad because "it's more linear than every other FF game" is a blatant lie to yourself, as open-ended exploration was never a strong point of the series (heck, I'd argue the NES Mega Man games were more open-ended). The only FF games that are truly open ended are FFXI, FFXII (to a smaller extent. The world is huge and open, but limits you in where you can go via high level enemies, and the story is still done in a set order), FFXIV, and Lightning Returns. FFXV looks like it might be too. Nothing from I-X was open ended. You tackled the story in a set order, and in the case of most of these games, the world itself was basically just interconnected hallways. That's why they always gave you airships and what not, so you could skip these hallways. And even when games from I-X had open sections of the world map, there was absolutely nothing in them. At least the XIII games have something in their world. At least Gran Pulse had monsters running around, fighting each other, and just having some life in general. At least there were plenty of missions to do, and plenty of secrets to find. At least the world was properly scaled, making it more immersive than the world map system of previous games. Past FF games had side quests and secrets too, but they didn't do much besides get you some bits and bobs, or make the main quest slightly easier. I'm not dissing past games in the series. FFIX is linear too, and I love it. But singling out FFXIII as bad because of linearity makes no sense, as every other game prior (besides XI and XII, the latter to a smaller extent) was as linear as they come. FFXIII was actually a cut above them, for sure. It's fine if you can't stand the first 20 hours. Don't play the game then. But that section is far from objectively bad, it's just down to whether or not the battle system, story, and characters appeal to you. Many people love the game, many hate it, some are inbetween. Me personally, FFXIII was one of the best in the series, and it got rid of many archaic JRPG tropes, and brought totally new stuff to the table. It's not a perfect game, it's got a fair amount of problems (trophy completion is way too much of a grind, for example), but I think it's a game that many people could get into it, and just as many could hate it.
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#13 Posted: 15:38:34 20/02/2014
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yes SA2 is linear but the stages themselves were open and had multiple routes through them. at least the story in FF13 might be slightly less stupid than SA2's though |
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#14 Posted: 01:41:26 21/02/2014
^Not really, SA2 has become infamous for it's linear stage design. The levels in that game are a pure hallway, except for one or two of them.
Oh, and the Knuckles and Rouge levels. They are open. But if you need an example of how open ended level design can be a bad thing, look no further.
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#15 Posted: 04:22:45 21/02/2014
Honestly I've only played 7.
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#16 Posted: 05:41:37 21/02/2014
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No! No! No! No! No! No! No! Wrong! Don't pass go! Don't collect $200! These are NOT subjective complaints, these are things that are ACTUALLY SODDING WRONG WITH THE GAME! Having a story that is hard to understand is BAD STORYTELLING! Having a battle system that lacks any depth or strategy that is kinda A COMMON FACTOR IN THE GENRE is bad mechanics! Having characters who are single note with no personalities and not likable in any way shape or form whose only redeeming factor is they're badass is BAD CHARACTER DESIGN! These are COMPLETELY OBJECTIVE! What's SUBJECTIVE is whether or not you actually like the game despite it's flaws. THAT IS SUBJECTIVITY! Jesus wept it's like you don't even understand the definition. Edit: in the case of linearity there are exceptions, Half Life was a linear game but was still revolutionary. But Half Life made up for it's terrible and illogical level design by actually immersing you into the story in a way that nobody had ever done at that point. However FFXIII doesn't do that instead goes for constant animation ****ery with a terrible story and unlikable characters. Further edit: A reasonable person would say something like: "I acknowledge these flaws and criticisms against the game and the fact that people don't like it, but I still enjoy the game." And not: "These flaws you brought up that are actually verifiable and very apparently and not in any way subjective and you would find this out if you ACTUALLY DID SOME EFFING RESEARCH!(UNRUSTLE THY JIMMIES APOC!) Yeeeaah, that's just your opinion. Sorry." Even further edit: I apologise in advance for the rage but this game boils my blood and people refusing to do research, acknowledging flaws and not just fobbing off all evidence presented to them as "opinion" just annoys me to the point where I want to defecate blood.
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#17 Posted: 13:38:31 21/02/2014
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I found it very easy to understand the story. As did many others. Your point is invalid. It's a subjective issue. I didn't need to look anything up to further understand it. It's themes and plot points were very clear. I will admit that things get a bit out of control with the sequel games thanks to time travel being a factor, but the first game was fine and pretty straightforward. You failing to understand the story just means you didn't get it. Nothing more, nothing less. Quote:
The battle system was perfectly fine. It's really just an evolution of the ATB system that debuted in FFIV, and was also included in FFVII. It added a degree of real-time action elements via the stagger meter, and by allowing you to chain moves. Literally the only thing I seriously disliked here was the fact that the lead character dying means a game over, but they fixed this in XIII-2, so it shows that the developers were paying attention to criticisms against the game (among many other things). Quote:
Now that's just objectively wrong. It's fine to not like the characters based on their personalities, but they are not one note, and do not lack personality. And this is even more apparent if you, again, play the sequels. Hope, for example, started off as a distraught, tragic figure who was timid yet filled with rage (and a bit whiny, honestly! :V). But: Hope wasn't a very likeable character at the beginning of FFXIII, but he matures through his time with Lightning, eventually learns to forgive Snow rather than letting revenge consume his life (and even acknowledges that in the end, Snow was not responsible for his mother's death, and that his mother died protecting him and nothing else), learns to have tough skin which is contrary to his upbringing (if you read the prequel novel to XIII - and yes, there are various novels and novellas about these games - you will learn that Hope had a very pampered upbringing, and his profile description in the manual even states this, which is why he is the way he is at the beginning of XIII), makes amends with his father, develops a crush on Vanille (it is actually a secret cutscene that hints at this in XIII, and the point is further expanded on in Lightning Returns), among many other developments he undergoes throughout the story. Then, in XIII-2, Hope is now an adult, and has become a highly intelligent researcher, and is the head of a research group that is studying anomalies in time. He is responsible for the advancement of the human race and plays a direct role in restoring prosperity to mankind, going as far as to create a new man-made planet to replace the dying Cocoon. He initially planned to do this by creating a man made fal'Cie that would keep it afloat and would serve as a central A.I. and database that knows everything mankind collectively knows (effectively making it god of the planet), but after learning from Serah that this would lead to a terrible future that would include his death, he abandons the project, and makes sure that the new planet is entirely run by mankind. This is not only symbolic of Hope letting go of his own pampered roots, but of humanity learning to use their abilities to the fullest and not depending on god-like beings. As for Lightning Returns, I have yet to finish it, but Hope is a pretty sassy guy at a lot of points, and has a lot of funny one-liners, and is not afraid to risk getting on Lightning's nerves. Despite Hope being reverted to a teenager's body due to Bhunivelze's wishes (Bhunivelze is the god of the XIII-verse. He was referred to in XIII as "The Maker", and Barthandelus referred to him quite often), he still retains his intelligence, and knows even more than before thanks to Bhunivelze. And his ability to speak to Lightning as an equal friend and a more knowledgeable figure (him being the brains of the operation, Lightning being the muscle) despite his young body is a testament to how much he has grown and developed as a character, since in XIII, Lightning was a mother figure to Hope for the majority of the game. It is also explained that in between the events of XIII-2 and LR, Hope was essentially the leader of humanity. And that's just ONE character, and I haven't even completely talked about everything. I just summarised. I find it funny how I'm the unreasonable one here, yet all I've done is provide facts in relation to the game's story, and acknowledged flaws I have with the game, and acknowledged that the gameplay was not perfect. You are wrong in saying that the gameplay is objectively bad though. My love for the battle system was never ironic or apologetic, it legitimately provides room for a ton of strategy and you really have to think about how you customise the characters, and the boss fights of the XIII series in general have been the most challenging and tense I have faced in the series, both ones that are mandatory and optional. Nothing you've said so far has been objective facts in the slightest, just angry backlash with no actual substance to your points. Literally all you've been saying is "THIS THING IS BAD, THIS THING IS BAD, AND THIS THING IS BAD BECAUSE I SAID SO". Sorry, but that'snot how you form a convincing argument.
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#18 Posted: 15:04:26 21/02/2014 | Topic Creator
I feel bad,I have started a war.Please stop or I will close.If you wish to tell your opinions do so in a passive manor as I said in the first post since I know this game gets a lot of hate.
Any ways I finished the LP I watched of it by HCBailly and as any good LPer would do went through the flaws and such and said that he recommends it.Now I do eventually want to get the game myself and see what all this complaining is about.The graphics look gorgeous but I don't care about them really.So I will see. Please stop arguing.
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#19 Posted: 18:26:06 21/02/2014
why do i have to do research to understand a game sucks???
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#20 Posted: 18:29:40 21/02/2014
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I've been trying to explain this but nobody sodding listens. Just do yourself a goddamn favour. Because I'm sick of this farce. I mean, let's not do any research into why these criticisms exist and instead just shrug it all off as just baseless opinions, let's not go into depth as to why people actually have valid criticisms about this game. Lemme put it this way, before I actually did any research or watched Spoony's videos on the series, I thought FFXIII was a bad game because it was just another FF game that didn't even try. Now I know that there is a lot more wrong with the game, but the fact that you continue to just shrug off these criticisms as just baseless opinions without actually going into detail and still argue that your beloved game is the best thing since sliced ****ing bread, yes, makes you unreasonable. Because if you're not going to listen now, you're never going to, and I'm going to spare myself a stroke and just not bother arguing with a brick wall any further.
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#21 Posted: 23:19:16 21/02/2014
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What criticisms? "The combat is bad"? "The characters are one note"? "The story is too hard too follow"? Are you seriously trying to insinuate that these qualify as criticisms? Because they don't. They are just statements with no substance, which is all you've been giving me. Where as I've countered with actual detail. If you want to see how to ACTUALLY criticise the game, observe as a fan of the game shows you how to do that: "A negative point about this game's battle system is that it forces you to the Game Over screen when the leading party member dies. This is a problem, as there is no reason why this should happen. If my partners are alive, I should be able to change to one of them if the current leader dies. At the VERY least, I should have the option to order my partner to use a Phoenix Down or the Raise spell so I can return to fighting again. But neither of these options are available. Not only does this make certain fights more difficult than they need to be, but it also breaks the immersion of the game, as I'm watching my partners just stand there when they are in perfect condition and could easily revive me. The concept of controlling one character directly is fine, but them dying shouldn't mean Game Over. This also reduces the value of Phoenix Downs in the players eyes. They are still needed, but because my own character can't die, I try not to allow any die by extension, because I'm helpless without them. Thankfully, FFXIII-2 fixes this issue, by letting you switch to the other character upon defeat, and although you only control Lightning in LR, and fight most fights alone, there is a system in place that allows you to use Phoenix Downs and reviving spells upon death, and it's not in real time, so you have plenty of time to think about your options." That's how you criticise a game's flaws. You state your point, explain it in detail, and give examples of situations where it hurts the game, and how it could have been improved upon. If the game has direct sequels already, you mention how they handled the problem. You don't just shout that certain things about the game are bad for the sake of it. That's not going to be viewed as a legitimate argument. And BTW, that's not my only problem with the game, and not even my biggest. I love the game, and stand by saying it's not an objectively bad game and that the game does have genuine appeal and that plenty of people would like it (hell, I KNOW plenty do. Like with anything though, the haters are much more vocal and get all hot and bothered all of the time), but I never once insinuated that the game was perfect or that everyone has to like it. I just tire of seeing people think that completely subjective things are objective flaws. With this logic, every game is a flawed one by virtue of it being part of a genre. Whether or not you like the story or gameplay is subjective, period. It's well written, the game itself is well designed (for the most part), and the game has an audience, but that audience isn't everyone. It's just that these days, people think that slamming something with derogatory statements without providing much substance, makes them a critic, when it really doesn't. It just comes across as pretentious whining. Quote:
When I said "reverted to the body of a teenager due to Bhunivelze's wishes", I didn't mean that someone literally wished for Hope to be young again, Shenron style. I mean, Bhunivelze has a plan for Hope and it involves him being younger again. I probably could have worded that better. As for what that plan is, beats me. I haven't finished the game yet.
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#22 Posted: 23:40:34 21/02/2014
If you want an "actual" criticism of the game then, watch Spoony's videos on FFXIII. He can be over the top at times but he brings up better points than I can even think of. I apologise for the rage, it's just this series just offends me.
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#23 Posted: 23:58:28 21/02/2014
It offends me because of it's arrogance, I hate the fact that it thinks it can go on forever and never have to end, when there were games that understood that all good things must end and they never continued. Planescape: Torment, Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, etc. These games all told their story and ended, they never continued, there was never another Planescape game even though they could've pushed out hundreds because the Planescape setting is that vast, but they didn't. There was no Torment 2, although there is a spiritual sequel being made by the same people who made Planescape: Torment called Torment: Tides of Numenera. Final Fantasy on the other hand sinks deeper and deeper into mediocrity and tells stories that bare no relation to each other and arrogantly thinks that it doesn't have to end, if it hasn't ended now it may never end, and there's a 15th coming soon too. There's no consistency to the series because very few of these "sequels" actually bare any relation to each other, the series hasn't had a landmark title since 6(10 certainly does NOT count) and 15 looks to be a massive departure from the rest of the series, credit to them for trying something new but at the same time they really should've just ended it, it started getting ridiculous at 10.
Edit: Also, I wonder how many Final Fantasy fans criticise CoD fans for buying the same game over and over again, when they're basically doing the same thing. The irony would be rich.
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#24 Posted: 00:26:56 22/02/2014
Apoc, honestly, I don't care how bad you or anyone else may think the game is, but the way you say things make it sound like it's a crime to even like that game. To be fair, I don't really like the game either, but I wouldn't judge someone just for liking it.
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#25 Posted: 00:50:45 22/02/2014
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spoiler that dude, someone here could not be finished with the game yet |
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#26 Posted: 01:00:04 22/02/2014
^It's OK, that's beginning of the game material. Pretty much anyone who follows the XIII series knows that, as Hope's promotional art for the game depicts him as a boy, and the trailers made it clear. It's the sort of thing you'll find in promotional plot explanations.
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The very nature of the Final Fantasy franchise is that every main numerical game is a totally different experience. Different world, different characters, different story, different mythos, different gameplay features, etc. I don't see why you are making such a comparison. And in the case of games like VII and XIII which get follow up games and what not, even they are very different. XIII, XIII-2, and Lightning Returns are all VERY different games, though do feel cohesive and as part of the same world and mythos. And also, why is it a bad thing that each game is different/inconsistent? For one thing, certain FF universes have been confirmed to have connections (for example, FFVII and FFX are confirmed to be within the same universe, just vastly separated time periods). For another thing, you are contradicting yourself. You are complaining that people are "buying the same thing over and over again", while also complaining about "each numerical sequel being too different". That doesn't make any sense. And Final Fantasy isn't the only series like this. The Zelda universe is part of a timeline that splits into three parts. And while it's all technically the same universe, you never have to play one game to understand what happens in another, and each game has it's own defining features. The Mega Man franchise is also another franchise with many branches, with very different gameplay styles with each series, and with the exception of one or two series (that are their own universe), the Mega Man franchise as a whole is still part of one universe, just at distantly separated parts of the timeline. And FYI, a lot of people don't criticise the people buying CoD over and over again, they criticise the developers. People can buy what they want with their money, so the only people really worth criticising are the develpers.
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#27 Posted: 01:46:41 22/02/2014
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That's due to my awful wording and not actually specifying that you are allowed to like it despite the fact that it is a terrible game. I admit I was very aggressive and vitriolic but that's because I have all the composure of an active volcano, the reason for my seething hatred for the series is not only do I think it's a very arrogant series but I also actually did enjoy some older FF games, I loved the hell out of Final Fantasy: Tactics and FFVII wasn't too bad(although I never finished because the wonky pacing threw me off it) and to see that this is what it has become, just rubs me the wrong way. If you like the game, that's your thing, I worded my argument terribly and I should know better. Hell one of my favourite games is Alone In The Dark 5 and that game is absolutely awful and broken on a fundamental level, yet I acknowledge it's problems, I understand it's terrible but I consider it a guilty pleasure. I seriously just need to unrustle my jimmies.
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#28 Posted: 04:45:32 22/02/2014
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There's no such thing as a game being awful as a fact. Even with a games flaws, one can still find it to be a good game. And not just a "bad game you still like." |
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#29 Posted: 04:49:25 22/02/2014
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True. Again, bad wording. I'm just bad in general. Edit: Although there are some exceptions, like Aliens: Colonial Marines.
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#30 Posted: 15:51:22 22/02/2014
There can be objectively bad games, but I just feel FFXIII is far from being one. Is it a divisive game? Yes, most definitely. For every person who likes it, there is a person who doesn't. It's certainly not going to be everyone's cup of tea. I'd say to steer clear of it if you don't like JRPGs in general. But for what it's actually trying to do as a game, and for the kind of story it's trying to tell, it's excellent, and is certainly polished. Anything in the game I feel didn't work was blatant experimentation (except for the "lead character death equals Game Over" problem, that had no excuse to be there). They've pretty much fixed all of these problems with future games in the series. Ironically, I consider it to be the most polished game in the XIII saga (although XIII-2 and Lightning Returns are a lot better from a general gameplay standpoint and give you more freedom and what not, they are less stable games and are noticeably rushed at points. XIII-2 wasn't too bad for this, but Lightning Returns is significantly less polished in the presentation department. Certain textures and prop models are early PS2 quality at times, and the AI on NPCs who walk about the street is laughably bad, often getting in the way of conversations, distracting from what are otherwise interesting side quest stories at times. The camera can also be annoying at times).
A objectively bad game is defined as one that: -Can only be enjoyed from an ironic or nostalgic standpoint by almost every player, and cannot be praised for many good game design decisions. -Is plagued with bugs that make it unplayable/awkward to play (if a bug is unintrusive to a players experience or has to be searched for, then it doesn't count). -Constantly breaks your immersion unintentionally (if it intentionally does so, like the Deadpool game does, that's fine). -Breaks game design rules (yes, they exist. Take up a course in games design and you will know what I mean) without any good reason and without beneficial results to doing so. Bad games are not defined by sales figures or scores from major review sites, or even by having a small audience. As long as a game does what IT sets out do well, then it's a good game. FFXIII falls under this. While some may argue that it "alienates some FF fans", this argument is moot due to the fact that this is the very nature of the FF franchise - each numerical sequel is meant to be it's own thing, that may or may not have a saga of games or other media branch off from it. Final Fantasy isn't a franchise where you are supposed to play each game religiously. Rather, I view it as "everyone has their own special Final Fantasy game or two". While there are some diehard fans who play the games for the brand name alone, most people look at each game as their own thing. FFIX and the FFXIII saga are not among my favourite games because they are Final Fantasy games, but because I enjoyed those games as their own experiences, and I consider them my special games in the series. Although the franchise has it's staples and references to other games, they are only there to make sure the franchise has an identity of some sort. In general though, each game could easily have been part of it's own series, IMO. And it's for that reason that I don't really endeavour to compare the games. If I wrote a review of XIII, for example, I wouldn't compare it to IX at all. I just enjoy both games as their own thing (or in XIII's case, as part of the "Fabula Nova Crystallis" saga).
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#31 Posted: 07:41:32 23/02/2014
I never bought/played FF13 because I prefer the more traditional fantasy-themed ones to the sci-fi ones. 15 doesn't look that interesting to me either for the same reason, it just seems, too modern.
*Technically sci-fi is fantasy too, but you know what I mean. More magicy stuff, less machines. Maybe I'll try 13 someday, it just never appealed to me.
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#32 Posted: 20:16:43 24/02/2014
I've never played FF13, so I couldn't say. Spoony's six-part review and this video are all I know about it, but maybe that's all I need to know. :D
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sonicbrawler182 Platinum Sparx Gems: 7105 |
#33 Posted: 20:47:26 24/02/2014
Seeing as the OP seems curious about whether or not to get the game:
Rent it. You probably won't get to the really good parts of the gameplay side of things within that time (the game's mechanics start off mediocre and then grow to be solid as more battle possibilities are opened up to you - yeah, this game's battle system has the longest tutorial, I won't defend how boring that is without the cutscenes. Granted, you'll need all of the practice you can get for Gran Pulse - the people of Cocoon were not mistaken in believing it to be hell, in at least one sense). If you're like me though and enjoy the story, characters, and action from the beginning, then you won't mind this, because you're at least getting a really good movie with solid gameplay in between. Then, later on in the game (ESPECIALLY when you get to Gran Pulse), the gameplay is amazing. And if there is one thing this game has even before that point, it's the challenging and incredibly tense bosses. And each area has it's own unique gimmick, even while the game is in the linear half (for example, one area lets you pilot a giant robot, another involves you maneuvering a lot of machinery and bridges to get from place to place, another lets you control the weather to influence what kinds of monsters will show up along your path, etc).
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#34 Posted: 08:38:31 26/02/2014
Quote: Crookshanks
Noooooooooooooo! Edit: http://www.escapistmagazine.co...al-Fantasy-XIII
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sonicbrawler182 Platinum Sparx Gems: 7105 |
#35 Posted: 14:22:53 28/02/2014
^I hope you're not posting that in an attempt to pass it off as a serious review with legit points. That's not exactly Yahtzee's thing, and the entire point of his videos is to just bash games without saying much about their mechanics or by flat out being wrong about it, and essentially going on about completely unrelated stuff. His videos are supposed to intentionally piss of fans of games for the most part, and this applies to games that are universally praised too.
As with nearly every other video of his, I enjoy it as a piece of satire, but if you're intention is to present that seriously, then I could have a field day with how flat out wrong many of those points are.
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#36 Posted: 14:58:08 28/02/2014 | Topic Creator
I managed to get a hold of the game for rent finally from a friend in afar and he said I could play it for a week and I am very fond of it.I have sent it back to him but I will be buying the game.So I think I will close this but thank you all for the opinions.
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