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So what do you guys think? My opinion is Disney is going to make Skylanders a thing of the past sales will drop and prices will drop. Sad to say my collection isn't going to be worth anything In ten years. I bet Disney will hold its value for a long time after its gone. This Is all based on the quality of the Disney game.

Highly doubt it. Skylanders has two groups, kids and collectors. Infinity is being marketed towards kids only. It's not going to be this next big thing like everyone is assuming. Just watch.

Well, there's a few things to take into effect.

-Disney has a huge amount of things to draw from. Not only their regular inhouse stuff, but Pixar, and potentially Marvel and Star Wars.
-Infinity Figures are gonna cost MORE than regular Skylanders
-Figures from other series can only be played in one area, unless you're in Toy Box mode. (I assume this is because as one journalist joked "They don't have to put ramps in every single level so the Cars can drive on them")
-Disney has been absolute garbage in their video game division. Even Epic Mickey, arguably THE best game was just OK.

I think Disney will get a good jump, but Swap Force will probably blow it out of the water. Disney has been making notoriously bad games for a while, and I don't really see that changing unless they totally do a flip here. Why, I have no idea but...it's just ehhhh.

I think the figures are in my opinion too expensive for what you're getting. $12.99 hits over that "I feel comfortable picking these up on a whim" line, not to mention the price of the play sets.

Personally, I believe that Infinity will do ok, but in being compared with Skylanders by every single game journalist and reviewer, it'll probably do bad resulting in the game not really taking off.

Another Disney Infinity vs. Skylanders topic?

For me, Skylanders is coming up with new things all of the time. That is what draws me to the game.

Pokemon is similar. Every couple of years a new game with new pokemon.

I've always been a collector of 'things', so when skylanders was announced i was happyhappyhappy.

With disney inifity they're just re-useing existing characters. The only thing the makers have had to do is make and crate 'play-sets' this dosent apeal to me and dosent make me motivated to collect them all like the origionality of skylanders does.

What i'm saying is, in my oppinion, the origionality of skylanders outweighs the popularity of all exsiting disney characters put together. Making it more collectable because they can keep coming up with new stuff.. Do you guys get what i'm saying? Feel like i'm not saying what i'm thinking well enough.

Sorry for poor spelling and gramma.

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Well, there's a few things to take into effect.

-Disney has a huge amount of things to draw from. Not only their regular inhouse stuff, but Pixar, and potentially Marvel and Star Wars.
-Infinity Figures are gonna cost MORE than regular Skylanders
-Figures from other series can only be played in one area, unless you're in Toy Box mode. (I assume this is because as one journalist joked "They don't have to put ramps in every single level so the Cars can drive on them")
-Disney has been absolute garbage in their video game division. Even Epic Mickey, arguably THE best game was just OK.

I think Disney will get a good jump, but Swap Force will probably blow it out of the water. Disney has been making notoriously bad games for a while, and I don't really see that changing unless they totally do a flip here. Why, I have no idea but...it's just ehhhh.

I think the figures are in my opinion too expensive for what you're getting. $12.99 hits over that "I feel comfortable picking these up on a whim" line, not to mention the price of the play sets.

Personally, I believe that Infinity will do ok, but in being compared with Skylanders by every single game journalist and reviewer, it'll probably do bad resulting in the game not really taking off.

Other than Epic Mickey 2, which was still bad due to the camera, Toy Story 3 was the only good Disney game I have played in awhile. Which is what the original Toy Box mode was part of.

Need I remind people of a little Disney video game franchise called KINGDOM HEARTS? Yeah. 'Nuff said.

http://kingdomhearts.com/

If anything it will fragment the market and eventually harm the genre for both games (and other future clones). Parents won't be happy about buying both games and all associated figures and sets. Think Guitar Hero. Eventually it becomes too much for even the biggest fans to keep up with. I don't think it will go away like the music games, there will always be a market for action figures crossed with video games - but in the long run it won't go like gangbusters like it is now.

That said, I'm very wary of Infinity. Great idea, and Disney definitely has a large bag of tricks to pull out content. But the game is a bit too Sandboxy from what I have seen. I'm definitely going to take a wait and see approach with it and see how it turns out. I did the same with Skylanders, when it came out I read the reviews and just bought the main game and a few cool looking figures because TRU had a good deal on it. I didn't jump in with both feet until after Christmas when my son had played it and liked it and I did as well. I didn't want to have a shelf full of stuff my son wasn't going to mess with - and we have several games and toys already that are like that.

Also Kingdom Hearts appeals to a completely different group of people than Infinity is aimed at. And that series has been seriously hit or miss.

Even if I buy Infinity, it's too simple for my tastes. I don't think Skylanders has anything to fear, because Infinity plays by the book. In other words, when you go through the non-consistent plot, due to each playset being its own standalone story, you have to do so with the characters of that world.

While there are people out there who don't mind timesinking their lives to make levels other people will enjoy, there are those of us who won't give the Toy Box mode a second thought, because - well... it's a timesink that only others can enjoy. I will leave the game creating to video game developers. I just play games and creating levels feels more like a chore than fun.

It's a copycat and copycats rarely beat the original - It will do well at first but I don't think it will sustain

Personally, I think Disney Infinity is going to be a huge hit. Will it's popularity surpass that of the Skylanders franchise? That remains to be seen, but it's a huge possibility that can happen. Disney has such a huge catalog of extremely popular characters to choose from. From the demo gameplay footage I've seen, Disney Infinity looks so much better then both Skylanders games. That's always been my gripe about Skylanders. The graphics are poor and extremely dated, even with todays dated consoles. I know Swap Force has a new developer and from what I've read, graphics will be greatly improved. One negative thing about Infinity is the fact you have to have a certain character to open up a certain world. I think that would be cool if you could use say Jack Sparrow in the world of Monsters, Inc. One great thing going for the Skylanders franchise is all the characters are original. Each time a new game is released, it's exciting to see the new characters. You won't get that excitement with Infinity since everyone already knows the Disney characters. I know many believe Disney is copying Activision, but at the end of the day, more competition is better for consumers.

I predict that both will survive but also make the toys to life model gradually more stale. There is nothing to say that we can't have separate markets for each and even people who dip into both even though it will make them angrier.

Game wise I'm looking forwards to Infinity bounds more, though, which doesn't bode well in my mind since VV are actually one of my favorite developers.

I'm just sticking with SSA, and after I finish the teensy weensy bits I have left in Giants, selling all of my Giants stuff. It's too much to keep rebuying all of the characters to get Heroics, it gets stale upgrading them all over again, and the releases are utter garbage. If Infinity pulls the same "Series Two" and release frustration stunts, I'm solidly off of the entire bandwagon, though.

By the way, whoever said that Infinity is aimed just to kids and not collectors... That may be the most ridiculous sentiment I've heard today and earlier I was watching the Perverted Yoshi Challenge. *facepalm*

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Highly doubt it. Skylanders has two groups, kids and collectors. Infinity is being marketed towards kids only. It's not going to be this next big thing like everyone is assuming. Just watch.

Don't know...I know of many adult Disney fanatics.

My opinion--this genre like all others will reach peak maturity and then decline. What I want to know is---will this genre fade away as a "fad" and the history books look at this as like the first laserdisk games a la Dragon's Lair (great innovation, but quickly faded because of the limited gameplay and large cost outlay requirements) or will this genre find a way to innovate and stay alive?

To that question, only time will tell...

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-Disney has a huge amount of things to draw from. Not only their regular inhouse stuff, but Pixar, and potentially Marvel and Star Wars.

That's Lucasfilm, not Star Wars (only). Which includes Indiana Jones as well (and maybe "Willow", "Labyrinth" and "Howard The Duck"). And who doesn't want to see Jack Sparrow vs. Indiana Jones?

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Highly doubt it. Skylanders has two groups, kids and collectors. Infinity is being marketed towards kids only. It's not going to be this next big thing like everyone is assuming. Just watch.

and thank you for your perfect example of posting total bollox about something that you obviously know nothing about.

at the disney infinity unveil presentation one of the things john lasseter said, specifically to D23 members in the audience was ...

"even if you are not into video games you gotta have these ... the design has been inspired by the work in the vinyl collectors toy market"

@DutRank

we see what you did there..... trolling!... shame on you! but if you think about it skylanders are the thing that are more for kids than adults.

familygaimer going amok on youtube noaw...


Disney Infinity Mater Toy Trailer


Disney Infinity Lightning McQueen Toy Trailer


Disney Infinity Francisco Bernouli Toy Trailer


Disney Infinity Holley Shiftwell Toy Trailer

Disney Infinity Cars Play Set Videos and Screenshots

anyway if they do duck universe im sold!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_universe

Hardly anybody has herd of Duck universe. So no.

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Highly doubt it. Skylanders has two groups, kids and collectors. Infinity is being marketed towards kids only. It's not going to be this next big thing like everyone is assuming. Just watch.

and thank you for your perfect example of posting total bollox about something that you obviously know nothing about.

at the disney infinity unveil presentation one of the things john lasseter said, specifically to D23 members in the audience was ...

"even if you are not into video games you gotta have these ... the design has been inspired by the work in the vinyl collectors toy market"

So how does that disprove that the toys look like Fisher Price made them and that the game is marketed towards kids?
You copy and pasted something and put quotes around it. Nice.

In my opinion there are a lot of cheap or unfinished looking Skylanders.

S1 Gill Grunt, Spyro, Ghost Roaster, and Voodood are some examples of figures that look very blandly or inaccurately painted.

All three Eruptors have very little detail and barely any proper shading.

Hot Head, S2 Double Trouble, S2 Slam Bam, S2 Cynder, and S2 Drill Sergeant are more recent ones that I don't think are worth the price of admission.

I admit bias since I actually like Infinity's style, however, I could go on about how I find many problems with Skylanders toys too but I would just sum it up as Garbodor = Muk and Muk =/= Bad. In the end of the day, customize the toys if you don't like them, keep them as is if it doesn't bother you, everyone's happy unless you choose to create discord in your mind. It's actually really easy to put detail on a toy with Sharpies if you want something more detailed, and if you do like the vynil look, good for you, go out and buy them, and otherwise, just stick to whichever things you like the appearance of.

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In my opinion there are a lot of cheap or unfinished looking Skylanders.

S1 Gill Grunt, Spyro, Ghost Roaster, and Voodood are some examples of figures that look very blandly or inaccurately painted.

All three Eruptors have very little detail and barely any proper shading.

Hot Head, S2 Double Trouble, S2 Slam Bam, S2 Cynder, and S2 Drill Sergeant are more recent ones that I don't think are worth the price of admission.

I admit bias since I actually like Infinity's style, however, I could go on about how I find many problems with Skylanders toys too but I would just sum it up as Garbodor = Muk and Muk =/= Bad. In the end of the day, customize the toys if you don't like them, keep them as is if it doesn't bother you, everyone's happy unless you choose to create discord in your mind. It's actually really easy to put detail on a toy with Sharpies if you want something more detailed, and if you do like the vynil look, good for you, go out and buy them, and otherwise, just stick to whichever things you like the appearance of.

Those are only ~1/10 of all the skylanders, while almost all of infinity figures look cheaply made and unfinished. In my opinion. And as you said, you can just customize them. I DO agree that some skylanders look crappy and unfinished, but it seems a lot more infinity figures look that way.

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anyway if they do duck universe im sold!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_universe

I LOVE Darkwing Duck and the Duck Tales!!! Who hasn't heard of Duck Universe?!! Well, to be honest i love most things Disney... my mom is a Mickey Mouse fanatic, so my brothers and I grew up with TONS of Disney all the time (not much sesame street, looney tunes, winnie the pooh or barney for us, we were dedicated Disney kids, lol)!!! Also, Disney World was definitely our most frequent summer vacation spot (no complaints here, I even want a Disney Wedding- the "Wishes collection" where you get to stay in Cinderella's castle and ride in her carriage)!! After seeing the Swap Force concept, I knew I'd be done collecting this franchise (at least for this game), but I'm sure I'll just be shifting it over to Disney Infiniti cuz I'm really a sucker for anything Disney!!!

Skylanders initially pulled me in because of their use of Spyro who was one of my fav childhood game characters ever, so I tried SSA and really enjoyed it, but it's not like Spyro has a main role in these games anyway and I had fun with it for these past couple years!! I'm ready for the next adventure and I think Disney Infiniti will be it!! If I hate it for whatever reason, then I do, but I think this next year I will be shifting my interest and play money over to Infiniti...!! I'm still hoping Skylanders can redeem itself with the fourth game, when Toys for Bob is back in control of it, but we shall see, time will tell!!

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Need I remind people of a little Disney video game franchise called KINGDOM HEARTS? Yeah. 'Nuff said.

http://kingdomhearts.com/

Indeed. They should have Square Eenix develop Infinity. Then it will really be a run for its money for skylanders. But they won't. Square Eenix=one of the best game comapnies ever. Actually, no one's really heard of them, but they have made plenty of well-known games, like Final Fantasy and Chrono Trigger.

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Need I remind people of a little Disney video game franchise called KINGDOM HEARTS? Yeah. 'Nuff said.

http://kingdomhearts.com/

Indeed. They should have Square Eenix develop Infinity. Then it will really be a run for its money for skylanders. But they won't. Square Eenix=one of the best game comapnies ever. Actually, no one's really heard of them, but they have made plenty of well-known games, like Final Fantasy and Chrono Trigger.

Final Fantasy and Chrono Trigger are awesome games, I love the FF series... if Square-Eenix did Infinity it would be EPIC and there would be no comparison to Skylanders for sure!!! Kingdom Hearts was a good game, I liked Shadow Hearts too which is much harder of a game to find! I think Square-Eenix is well known enough in the gaming world, and agree that it would be amazing for them to work on this!!

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Hardly anybody has herd of Duck universe. So no.

Major facepalm here--both in terms of ignorance of the legacy Disney has but also your inaccurate spelling. Not a fan of Carl Banks or Don Rosa?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Barks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Rosa

as i have one i can say from first hand experience that the material quality and finish on Disney Infinity figures is at least equal to, if not better than, skylanders figures

Question, how did you get that!?

past video game failures is no reason to discount Infinity.
This isn't some new tie-in game building on previous (bad) games. This is something completely different. It is being marketing not to video gamers but to Disney fans. You are a fool if you think *any* parent out there is going to say "well, we're not going to get this because some obscure video game from 3 years ago that had the Disney name on it sucked, so this one will as well" Not gonna happen.

Too many people think like video gamers and not like parents buying toys for small kids.

People will buy this because it's Disney as a video game. Not just some specific movie tie-in game, but DISNEY. It's all of Disney, it's the Disney reputation and the Disney legacy as a video game. The gameplay only has to be moderately entertaining to win over the millions of people who trust Disney products as wholesome family entertainment. The inclusion of Pixar just means you have a dedicated animation fan base as well.

The marketing specifics of overpriced playsets and blind power up packs may cause issues but that is a separate matter. No one but video nerds are thinking "Disney has a bad history with video games" and no one cares what they think because no one is trying to sell this game to the people who would think that.

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Hardly anybody has herd of Duck universe. So no.

wtf... u must be kidding?... you never heard about donald duck and the duck tales?... it's the best.

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past video game failures is no reason to discount Infinity.
This isn't some new tie-in game building on previous (bad) games. This is something completely different. It is being marketing not to video gamers but to Disney fans. You are a fool if you think *any* parent out there is going to say "well, we're not going to get this because some obscure video game from 3 years ago that had the Disney name on it sucked, so this one will as well" Not gonna happen.

Too many people think like video gamers and not like parents buying toys for small kids.

People will buy this because it's Disney as a video game. Not just some specific movie tie-in game, but DISNEY. It's all of Disney, it's the Disney reputation and the Disney legacy as a video game. The gameplay only has to be moderately entertaining to win over the millions of people who trust Disney products as wholesome family entertainment. The inclusion of Pixar just means you have a dedicated animation fan base as well.

The marketing specifics of overpriced playsets and blind power up packs may cause issues but that is a separate matter. No one but video nerds are thinking "Disney has a bad history with video games" and no one cares what they think because no one is trying to sell this game to the people who would think that.

Love your astute posts.

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past video game failures is no reason to discount Infinity.
This isn't some new tie-in game building on previous (bad) games. This is something completely different. It is being marketing not to video gamers but to Disney fans. You are a fool if you think *any* parent out there is going to say "well, we're not going to get this because some obscure video game from 3 years ago that had the Disney name on it sucked, so this one will as well" Not gonna happen.

Too many people think like video gamers and not like parents buying toys for small kids.

People will buy this because it's Disney as a video game. Not just some specific movie tie-in game, but DISNEY. It's all of Disney, it's the Disney reputation and the Disney legacy as a video game. The gameplay only has to be moderately entertaining to win over the millions of people who trust Disney products as wholesome family entertainment. The inclusion of Pixar just means you have a dedicated animation fan base as well.

The marketing specifics of overpriced playsets and blind power up packs may cause issues but that is a separate matter. No one but video nerds are thinking "Disney has a bad history with video games" and no one cares what they think because no one is trying to sell this game to the people who would think that.

Love your astute posts.

and it have online game up up to 4 players at once... so here skylanders fall flat on their face when it comes to this great replay value... only the hardcore are gonna go for the swap force, there is no spyro to help acti this time. the masses of people will go for disney infinity game this xmas, there is no doubt about this.

the more interesting thing will happen next year when toys for bob will be back with their skylanders game with online and try to compete with disney. it will be an interesting fight to watch...

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as i have one i can say from first hand experience that the material quality and finish on Disney Infinity figures is at least equal to, if not better than, skylanders figures

I will be the first to say it has MUCH less detail then any skylander.

http://www.disneystore.com/dav...327036/1000261/

Just for an example of figure quality (see above). How do these look like cheap Fisher Price toys? I admit the game has me intrigued, and I think those people that say it's a chore to build stuff and make their own levels. You seem to forget games like Minecraft. There are kids that will play that thing to death. I am not saying that Minecraft is equal to toy box, but I definitely think there is a lot of replay value in a game like that. And if it's implemented right, it will be where most kids will spend their time after the game is won and done.

Look at the Little Big Planet universe. There are TONS of content made by users that is amazing. The quality of the game itself looks like it will be there. I'm sure they'll tweak it and I have a feeling it will receive updates more frequently than that of Skylanders. They can just release new content monthly if they want to. I'm hopeful they'll actually have a support team that will do updates to the game like any other game out there.

I think there is room for both games, but I think the die hard Skylander fans will just slander the game even if it is proven that Infinity takes a big leap forward in this style of game. I guess we'll wait and see. Either way I'll probably enjoy both games.

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correct and disney infinity will also be brand new. it is not the third skylanders game with the same old same. parents know about disney and kids will love it... and these comments that skylanders dont have online because it is not safe for children are ridicules. the excuses from acti for no online game play will cost them dearly. when disney comes with infinity that have full blown online game play from day one, with their first toys comes to life game.

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as i have one i can say from first hand experience that the material quality and finish on Disney Infinity figures is at least equal to, if not better than, skylanders figures

I will be the first to say it has MUCH less detail then any skylander.

Yeah, I'm not seeing how a shiny paint job makes it any better than a Skylander. But a character like Mike is a bad example when he I such an undetailed character to begin with.

Shiny paint? From an artistic standpoint. The figure style of the Infinity figures far surpasses that of Skylanders. How many DERP characters are out there? Look at Eruptor S2 for example. He looks...well. DERPY to put it nicely.

Don't get me wrong, I like Skylanders, but Disney has always made quality physical products. Especially in the toy realm. The quality on the Disney ones appears to be higher. Only time will tell. I'm sure they are produced at a similar factory to what Skylanders are produced in.

well, my scarlet ninjini has arrived, underwhelmed and i really dislike the skin colour. i'm not going to put a photo up yet ... on a side note, paint detail finish is crap and a drunken monkey could have done better

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well, my scarlet ninjini has arrived, underwhelmed and i really dislike the skin colour. i'm not going to put a photo up yet ... on a side note, paint detail finish is crap and a drunken monkey could have done better

sadly it looks like acti have lost totally control of the quality of their figurines. but i guess that is what happen, when you cut down on the china work force of painters to save costs. it is the greed that most likely yet again will be the downfall of another game franchises like skylanders. we all have seen and read about guitar hero. but having these ridicules excuses for not having online gameplay and over producing figures that the games don't need, will also help on the downfall. that is what happen when it is all about the money and not the product anymore.

i just hope toys for bob will bring back the quality again.... if not its game over i am afraid.

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Hardly anybody has herd of Duck universe. So no.

wtf... u must be kidding?... you never heard about donald duck and the duck tales?... it's the best.

The best part is the Junior Woodchucks and the Junior Woodchuck Guide book. It's about the size of a small book, but had information for pretty much any- and everything. That book could tell Junior Woodchucks how to perform open heart surgery on a person with a pocket knife and some alcohol.

Meh is the word that describes my opinion of disney infinity. Sure its disney and its bound to sell well but I honestly can't be bothered to get figures for two games, let alone all of the copies yet to come in the future. In my opinion its first come first serve and I have always loved Spyro so I'll be sticking with Skylanders all the way and I presume many kids will too.

^ Yep, no way my teenage budget can handle figures from two games. My wallet is throbbing from having 27/40 so far from giants. Imagine if I heard about skylanders last year..

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that blue one looks like a totally rip of from disneys if you ask me...

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well, my scarlet ninjini has arrived, underwhelmed and i really dislike the skin colour. i'm not going to put a photo up yet ... on a side note, paint detail finish is crap and a drunken monkey could have done better

sadly it looks like acti have lost totally control of the quality of their figurines. but i guess that is what happen, when you cut down on the china work force of painters to save costs. it is the greed that most likely yet again will be the downfall of another game franchises like skylanders. we all have seen and read about guitar hero. but having these ridicules excuses for not having online gameplay and over producing figures that the games don't need, will also help on the downfall. that is what happen when it is all about the money and not the product anymore.

i just hope toys for bob will bring back the quality again.... if not its game over i am afraid.

In my view 32 characters and the length of SSA was perfect...introducing more characters, less levels and sacrificing quality to get a product out is not cool. I'm a skylanders fan but it's time to wake up and smell the coffee...or they will smell what Disney is cookin'. The concept of Giants didn't really "add" per see to the game, for me it was a huge marketing test for how much we'll pay for the buggers. And, if Activision follows Disney's suit and charging 12.99 per character is going to seal the deal for me.

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that blue one looks like a totally rip of from disneys if you ask me...

Well, it's not like Disney was the first one here either in this department. I'm generally pleased with Activision's imagination for new characters--I prefer that to "already known" characters from Disney's line up personally.

I don't like Disney Infinity!!! BETTER SKYLANDERS!!!