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Conversely, though, S2 Sheep Burner is actually a lot better. The Fireslam itself does 80 in a wide area, in addition firing four 20-damage fireballs in an X pattern. They retain all upgrades, including their explosive properties, when part of a Fireslam. Considering that he was only ever as low as D in the first place for a lack of damage/variety, I'd say problem solved; we can move him to C.

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Yes, it's the first time that a Series 2 figure will be placed below a Series 1. Without the stunlocking, Blitz Spyro is C-tier. It's the only reason he was ever B to begin with.

so if your recommending both paths for C, then I just have to ask,
which one would you say is the "better" path?

and for those who say to just not upgrade him, well then you really are only playing series 1 Spyro.
for the sake of adding "series 2 Spyro" to this tire list, we have to take his Wow Pow as well, weather we like it or not.

Hey, how is S2 Trigger happy golden frenzy in D tier. I have not tried my S2 on it(mine is on moneybags and S1 is on Golden frenzy) but is his wow pow actually that much of an improvement for him? I simply don't find a lot of time to fire off the machine gun on Golden frenzy, as the bouncing bullets disable that.

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Quote: Sleepy0429

S1 Wrecking Ball / Total Tongue For A tier

Defeated all of these Double Trouble / Channeler

Double Trouble S2 / Channeler
Stump Smash S2 / Nut Crafter
Terrafin S2 / Sandhog
Terrafin S2 / Brawler
Bash S2 /Granite Dragon
Chop Chop S2 / Undead Defender
Hex S2 / Bone Crafter
Eye-Brawl / Eye Brawler
Eye-Brawl / Eye For An Eye
Thumpback / Anchor's A-Yay
Ignitor / Soul of the Flame
Ignitor S2 / Soul of the Flame
Flameslinger S2 / Pyromancer
Drill Sergeant S2 / Megadozer
Swarm / Barberous Avenger
So yeah awsome

Defeated nightmare with only him

Keep pressing Primary Attack you have infinite tounge

You liar, there is NO way you could've beaten most (if not all) of these guys if your opponent was equally skilled as you. I know you're

1. Making it all up and lying.

2. Being biased.

3. Playing against someone who is VERY bad.

4. Being biased.

5. Don't forget 2 and 4.

No I was against my dad he is very good

Nope you are lying sleepy. It is like, basically impossible to defeat eye-brawl or thumpback with B tiers. Let alone E tier.

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Quote: Tashiji

Yes, it's the first time that a Series 2 figure will be placed below a Series 1. Without the stunlocking, Blitz Spyro is C-tier. It's the only reason he was ever B to begin with.

so if your recommending both paths for C, then I just have to ask,
which one would you say is the "better" path?

and for those who say to just not upgrade him, well then you really are only playing series 1 Spyro.
for the sake of adding "series 2 Spyro" to this tire list, we have to take his Wow Pow as well, weather we like it or not.

For the record, I absolutely agree with you. Without the Wow Pow, he is what we would classify in this tier list as plain S1 Spyro. A figure isn't the product of its mold, but its moves and stats. Choosing not to purchase the final upgrade just means you are choosing to play S1 Spyro with an S2 mold.

And as for who is better, I would say they're of approximately equal worth, and it largely depends on the opponent. Even without stunlock, Blitz's charge has a major upgrade over S:SA in that it can hit the same target multiple times in one charge. There's no underestimating how good that is; it's the sole basis of Ghost Roaster's worth in the first game, and it being taken away is why he is so weak currently. On the other hand, there's no arguing that Burner makes better use of the Wow Pow. Thanks to the explosive fireball upgrade, it's impossible to miss with them if your opponent is inside of Fireslam range. On Blitz, as they do not explode, misses are common. Really, it's all preference and playstyle.

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Quote: Sleepy0429

S1 Wrecking Ball / Total Tongue For A tier

Defeated all of these Double Trouble / Channeler

Double Trouble S2 / Channeler
Stump Smash S2 / Nut Crafter
Terrafin S2 / Sandhog
Terrafin S2 / Brawler
Bash S2 /Granite Dragon
Chop Chop S2 / Undead Defender
Hex S2 / Bone Crafter
Eye-Brawl / Eye Brawler
Eye-Brawl / Eye For An Eye
Thumpback / Anchor's A-Yay
Ignitor / Soul of the Flame
Ignitor S2 / Soul of the Flame
Flameslinger S2 / Pyromancer
Drill Sergeant S2 / Megadozer
Swarm / Barberous Avenger
So yeah awsome

Defeated nightmare with only him

Keep pressing Primary Attack you have infinite tounge

You liar, there is NO way you could've beaten most (if not all) of these guys if your opponent was equally skilled as you. I know you're

1. Making it all up and lying.

2. Being biased.

3. Playing against someone who is VERY bad.

4. Being biased.

5. Don't forget 2 and 4.

No I was against my dad he is very good

THIS V

Quote: Tashiji

And as for who is better, I would say they're of approximately equal worth, and it largely depends on the opponent. Even without stunlock, Blitz's charge has a major upgrade over S:SA in that it can hit the same target multiple times in one charge. There's no underestimating how good that is; it's the sole basis of Ghost Roaster's worth in the first game, and it being taken away is why he is so weak currently. On the other hand, there's no arguing that Burner makes better use of the Wow Pow. Thanks to the explosive fireball upgrade, it's impossible to miss with them if your opponent is inside of Fireslam range. On Blitz, as they do not explode, misses are common. Really, it's all preference and playstyle.

Well if I had to choose, I think I would still recommend Blitz on Series 2.
Hitting multiple times in a charge and then doing a non-exploding fireslam will rack up more damage threw out the match compared to hitting once then trying to go for the exploding fireslam when your target knows its coming right after you loose your charge.
The stun use to give that extra time to combo in Fly and then fireslam, but since its gone I think a combo move like that being the main attack is kinda unwieldy.
Overall I think a speedy Spyro dashing around getting a random number of multiple hits in when ever he can and then doing a fireslam at the best time is going to win more matches then a one hit charge to close in, and then trying to pull off a fireslam when your opponent knows that's exactly what your going to do.

If you are good with WB you can beat anyone except bash

^ There's no way Wrecking Ball on Total Tongue could have beat Thumpback on either path.

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^ There's no way Wrecking Ball on Total Tongue could have beat Thumpback on either path.

This^

Scratch that, there is no way Total Tongue could beat ANYBODY in S or A (with an exception of a few Undeads).

STAHP. Just let the guy make his comments without jumping on him. EgoNaut knows good information from bad, trust me. I've been posting with the guy since S:SA launched. There's literally no way that he'll put S1 Total Tongue Wrecking Ball in S-tier because of one poster's testimony, so it doesn't threaten the integrity of the list to let the guy have his posts. Let him believe what he wants to believe, and trust me, Total Tongue will still wind up where he belongs. This has gone on long enough, everyone. Let's concentrate our efforts on improving the list and not shouting each other down. Sleepy is trying to contribute, and even though his results don't match anything I've seen or come to expect, it doesn't mean he can't have his say too. We made this thread as an open forum for all ideas, consistent or not. EgoNaut is a fair and impartial host, and he'll handle it. We don't need to try to defeat each other's ideas like this.

If you guys think Series 2 is bad I beg to differ. The reason I chose that path is so he could be more versatile. You can hit from a pretty long distance and pretty rapidly with his tongue, and Collect food from a huge distance. Not to mention swallowing food with his tongue makes his regular burp more powerful

Am I the only one that still thinks Voodood should've had a repose instead of Wrecking Ball?

EDIT: Also, does anybody still know for sure which path is better for S2 Prism Break with his Wow Pow? I was thinking Prismancer, due to the extra damage on the pulse, but still not sure...

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Am I the only one that still thinks Voodood should've had a repose instead of Wrecking Ball?

Hell no!

Why? Even if Voodood got just a semi-useful Wow Pow Power, it would probably make him a contender for S Tier! .....IMO...

Voodood stays solid with or without Wow Pow. He didn't need a fix the way Wrecking Ball did, and the disco ball is a large-scale improvement. I do wish he had a repose, but at the expense of Double Trouble, whose Wow Pow is a non-factor in PVP, and not Wrecking Ball, who's clearly greatly improved because he has his Wow Pow.

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Why? Even if Voodood got just a semi-useful Wow Pow Power, it would probably make him a contender for S Tier! .....IMO...

No, I meant you are not the only one who thinks that, cause I do.

So, are people happy with having both S2 Spyro / Blitz Spyro and S2 Spyro / Sheep Burner in C Tier?

(For those who are still not yet aware of the Season 2 Blitz Spyro upgrade error, see here: //forum.darkspyro.net/spyro/viewposts.php?topic=76308 )

Quote: Mrmorrises

Quote: GhostRoaster24

Why? Even if Voodood got just a semi-useful Wow Pow Power, it would probably make him a contender for S Tier! .....IMO...

No, I meant you are not the only one who thinks that, cause I do.

Ah, okay! And Tashiji, I do suppose Wrecking Ball did really need an improvement! And does Double Trouble's Wow Pow even work semi-ok against Medea Griffin Sonic Boom?

EDIT: Oh, and yes I agree with the new tiers for Spyro. And, that is an interested glitch with Blitz Spyro.... do you think TFB intentionally did that? That's strange!

^ It does, and against Eye Brawl, and especially versus Zook. Only problem is, these are fights he was probably going to win anyway, due to elemental advantage or general DPS superiority.

Ah okay, thanks for the info Tashiji! Wait, we don't have a path for Ninjini yet right?

I think ninjini on the sword path should be top a teir or s teir, very good at melee

^ This. She beat all 7 of my other Giants!

And she totally beat thumpy and hot head in wdrumz's vids

Hmmm... Ninjini's Swords of Might Path sounds rather powerful! However, to me, her Ancient Djinn Magic path seems very versatile! She can summon orbs, rockets while in her bottle, and can still use her swords! It sounds rather nice to me! I don't know about you guys, but that path is most likely the one I'll take!

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I think ninjini on the sword path should be top a teir or s teir, very good at melee

Ummmm, no. The sword strikes deal medium damage, very close range, and strike slowly. A tier, tops. No way could she beat thumpback, unless the person who was playing as thumpy was sleeping.

Don't you always think nobody could beat Thumpback (besides Stealth Elf) with that bias in your brain?

^ This

Quote: LightSpyro13

Don't you always think nobody could beat Thumpback (besides Stealth Elf) with that bias in your brain?

Sheesh. Who **** in your cornflakes this morning? First off, lots of guys can beat , like s2 terrafin, s2 chop chop, tree rex, and s2 stump smash.


Second, thumpback and ninjini attack at about the same speed, but who has the longer reach? I'll leave that pea-sized brain of yours to figure that out.

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Quote: LightSpyro13

Don't you always think nobody could beat Thumpback (besides Stealth Elf) with that bias in your brain?

Sheesh. Who **** in your cornflakes this morning? First off, lots of guys can beat , like s2 terrafin, s2 chop chop, tree rex, and s2 stump smash.


Second, thumpback and ninjini attack at about the same speed, but who has the longer reach? I'll leave that pea-sized brain of yours to figure that out.

Hey, hey, hey now! Let's all just stay calm and agree that Thumpback and Ninjini are both awesome!

Ninjini is faster, and she can pound him from a distance with the orbs, out of the anchor's range, and her sword throw combo, still out of the anchors range, she doesn't seem to strike so slowly to me, she's a god in nightmare mode

Ninjini may have higher walking speed than Thumpy, but she isn't faster. Thumpback's slide will close the gap fairly quickly unless you're playing in an arena with tons of slopes and inclines, which trip him up considerably.

Quote: GhostRoaster24

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Quote: LightSpyro13

Don't you always think nobody could beat Thumpback (besides Stealth Elf) with that bias in your brain?

Sheesh. Who **** in your cornflakes this morning? First off, lots of guys can beat , like s2 terrafin, s2 chop chop, tree rex, and s2 stump smash.


Second, thumpback and ninjini attack at about the same speed, but who has the longer reach? I'll leave that pea-sized brain of yours to figure that out.

Hey, hey, hey now! Let's all just stay calm and agree that Thumpback and Ninjini are both awesome!

I'm just tired of ls13 flaming me.

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Quote: GhostRoaster24

Quote: X-Treme

Sheesh. Who **** in your cornflakes this morning? First off, lots of guys can beat , like s2 terrafin, s2 chop chop, tree rex, and s2 stump smash.


Second, thumpback and ninjini attack at about the same speed, but who has the longer reach? I'll leave that pea-sized brain of yours to figure that out.

Hey, hey, hey now! Let's all just stay calm and agree that Thumpback and Ninjini are both awesome!

I'm just tired of ls13 flaming me.

I'm not flaming, your amoeba-sized brain (smallest animal in the world) just makes you paranoid. If you wanna see a real flamer, just look in a mirror

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Ninjini may have higher walking speed than Thumpy, but she isn't faster. Thumpback's slide will close the gap fairly quickly unless you're playing in an arena with tons of slopes and inclines, which trip him up considerably.

Does Ninjini have a considerably faster walking speed than most Giants? If so, do you think that might affect her tier placement?

^ she does but thumpy's belly slide is hard to use effectively and as Tashiji said, his belly slide is hard to use on arenas where there are slopes and a lot of walls, I still would find ninjini more effective, so basically ninjini can beat thumpy into submission (of course taking a lot of anchor damage as well) in areas that have slopes and a lot of walls, but otherwise it can be a very close match

It's interesting that everybody is calling Ninjini's melee so slow, while the guidebook says that it is fast....lol guidebooks.

It's quick as Giants go. Only Swarm is faster, and he's... well, Swarm. But when you compare Ninjini to a regular-sized melee such as Slam Bam or Stealth Elf, she's pretty clunky.

As for movement speed, hers is the same as Bouncer's. If you have him, you'll know what you're dealing with. It's not notably faster, but it's a slight leg up on Thumpback's walking speed.

Quote: LightSpyro13

Quote: X-Treme

Quote: GhostRoaster24

Hey, hey, hey now! Let's all just stay calm and agree that Thumpback and Ninjini are both awesome!

I'm just tired of ls13 flaming me.

I'm not flaming, your amoeba-sized brain (smallest animal in the world) just makes you paranoid. If you wanna see a real flamer, just look in a mirror

You just go OMG U R BIASED EVERYTING U SAY IS RONG I JUST GONNA B IDIOT.

and then you dont even read my posts. Typical troll.

Well, you do seem pretty biased about Thumpback.

I DO think he was being very biased towards Thumpback at first, but now this whole "baron of bias" thing has gotten totally out of hand. Give X treme a break.

Quote: Mrmorrises

I DO think he was being very biased towards Thumpback at first, but now this whole "baron of bias" thing has gotten totally out of hand. Give X treme a break.

This. ^ Everybody, lets just give honest opinions, and try not to start anything.

Also, Ninjini does seem clunky compares to Stealthy... And her "Wishblades" don't do a lot of damage, even on her Swords of Might Path. Her "Sword Fling" combo is rather hard to pull off on regular sized characters, due to the extreme thinness of her blades.

She's clunky compared to stealth elf cuz well, she's a giant, and she is much larger, plus she is also a genie besides being a ninja, stealth elf is simply a ninja, it's hard to be two powerful things lol

All this stuff to do with Ninjini is sounding good so far! I feel I could do with is some information on Ninjini's upgrade paths now. What can they do and how do they compare with eachother?

EDIT: Also...

• Spyro S2 / Sheep Burner placed in C Tier.
  
• Spyro S2 / Blitz Spyro placed in C Tier.
  

So this glitch that screws up Blitz Spyro is only for S2 Spyro. Interesting, for the first time ever an S1 character makes it to a higher tier than his S2 counterpart.

Quote: Tashiji

Quote: DraculauraXXX

Quote: Tashiji

Yes, it's the first time that a Series 2 figure will be placed below a Series 1. Without the stunlocking, Blitz Spyro is C-tier. It's the only reason he was ever B to begin with.

so if your recommending both paths for C, then I just have to ask,
which one would you say is the "better" path?

and for those who say to just not upgrade him, well then you really are only playing series 1 Spyro.
for the sake of adding "series 2 Spyro" to this tire list, we have to take his Wow Pow as well, weather we like it or not.

For the record, I absolutely agree with you. Without the Wow Pow, he is what we would classify in this tier list as plain S1 Spyro. A figure isn't the product of its mold, but its moves and stats. Choosing not to purchase the final upgrade just means you are choosing to play S1 Spyro with an S2 mold.

And as for who is better, I would say they're of approximately equal worth, and it largely depends on the opponent. Even without stunlock, Blitz's charge has a major upgrade over S:SA in that it can hit the same target multiple times in one charge. There's no underestimating how good that is; it's the sole basis of Ghost Roaster's worth in the first game, and it being taken away is why he is so weak currently. On the other hand, there's no arguing that Burner makes better use of the Wow Pow. Thanks to the explosive fireball upgrade, it's impossible to miss with them if your opponent is inside of Fireslam range. On Blitz, as they do not explode, misses are common. Really, it's all preference and playstyle.

So only Blitz Spyro gets the Muti-Charge?
If so, and since you get the wow pow on both paths, wouldn't this still make Blitz better? I know the wow pow wont do as much damage, but surely Multi-Charge more then makes up for it.

and a bit off topic, whats the best path for Series 2 Lightning Rod?

^ Lord of the Lightning by far
He's my favorite Skylander down that path.

The multi-charge is a lot harder to hit than it sounds. It's not damage you'll be collecting on very often, because it's faster and less controllable than Ghost Roaster's, requires some running to even get started, and doesn't last as long. Even if you're trying for it, you won't hit it a whole heck of a lot.

As for Rod, I prefer Typhoon Titan. The path was considered weak in S:SA because it lacked a strong, mid-range attack, and the Wow Pow takes care of that. Now that TT has something to do against opposition that isn't right in his face, he can actually live up to some of the potential people saw in his zapper cloud/shield combo. Lightning Lord is still pretty close to as good, you just won't really use the Wow Pow very often, so there's no particular perk that makes having the S2 figure especially worthwhile on that path.