darkSpyro

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My Personal Tiers:
terrafin chop chop (Best in the Game) Tier: s2 chop chop undead defender and s2 terrafin both paths
A Tier:Everyone else but Wrecking Ball
F Tier: Wrecking Ball Both Paths

fixed for you.

What the hell? Trigger Happy definitely would join Wrecking ball in F tier. And Double Trouble, Eye brawl, Stump smash, and Swarm ought to be in top tier with Chop Chop and Terrafin

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My Personal Tiers:
terrafin chop chop (Best in the Game) Tier: s2 chop chop undead defender and s2 terrafin both paths
A Tier:Everyone else but Wrecking Ball
F Tier: Wrecking Ball Both Paths

fixed for you.

What the hell? Trigger Happy definitely would join Wrecking ball in F tier. And Double Trouble, Eye brawl, Stump smash, and Swarm ought to be in top tier with Chop Chop and Terrafin

But chop chop and terrafin can take down ALL of your listed skylanders without taking any damage.


And the best part about wrecking ball's new disco ball is the fact that you now go through opponents instead of bumping off them. The strategy goes somewhat like:

Roll through the opponent

Roll back through the opponent

And he will get some noticeable wins.

^^ Trigger Happy would be there on Golden Frenzy but he's a beast on Golden Money Bags.

I'd say Golden money bags is just decent. The coin is pretty strong, but still falls down like a domino.

Yeah, Moneybags does nice damage, there's no arguing that, but even so, he would need to deal about twice as much to still be a contender with HP like that. I do think he's a little underrated, though.

Anyway, I'm ready to make a formal recommendation for S2 Ultimate Spinner Wrecking Ball. This guy is B-tier, no question, and it's for exactly the reason that X-Treme just beat me to revealing. He does indeed glide through foes in his disco ball, and that really allows him to beat up on lower tiers like it's going out of style. Glide through, Forcefield Blast when you know for sure you're about to be stopped by the arena, and then glide back. If the arena isn't a problem, just glide back and forth, stopping your spin when conclusively out of your opponent's reach. He deals high damage, and is one of the entire game's more defensively solid characters. When played properly, C guys and below can barely touch him, and on top of that, he's actually quite dangerous to his B-tier compatriots. Frankly, he can seriously bring the fight to A-tier melees as well, although I do remain skeptical that he could possibly tout a .500 record or above in the tier unless you always play in spin-friendly arenas. Nevertheless, the Wow Pow is an extremely notable improvement, and easily enough to transcend S1's C-tier placement.

On that note, the disco ball is actually pretty nice for Total Tongue as well. I'm positive he's no longer E-tier. Just by playing him like Ultimate Spinner Lite, he's a full-fledged contender in D, with a C-tier win here and there to boot. Granted, you're not using his tongue for these wins, but how or why he scores them is immaterial. The point is he can, and it doesn't matter if he's just a wannabe Ultimate Spinner in doing so. I fully recommend S2 Total Tongue for D, and if he only had Ultimate Spinner's Force Field Blast on his disco ball, he'd be C-tier for sure.

Wrecking Ball seriously has a much better Wow Pow than the move description indicates. It's time to recognize that this guy isn't so bad anymore.

awesome review as usual Tashiji.
I look forward to your Ninjini review before I comment on a path for her.
Usually I do try out both paths no matter what, but im to lazy this time with Scarlet being just around the corner, since shes going the other path anyway.

Tashiji's contribution regarding S2 Wrecking Ball, researched and balanced as usual, has left me fairly confident about which tiers to put both of his paths in at least preliminarily until we have more opinions and research to go on.
Will there be any final objections before I throw S2 Wrecking Ball / Super Spinner into B Tier and S2 Wrecking Ball / Total Tongue into D Tier?

Also, i'm still waiting for opinions about whether S2 Whirlwind / Ultimate Rainbower should go up a tier. Anyone?

Ultimate Rainbower should definitely go up a tier IMO. Also, a friend of mine came over the other day, ( he also plays Skylanders.) We did PvP, and he chose SotF Ignitor, and I chose Stealth Elf. He tried the Soul Flame on me, and yes, I did get hit, but once SE got close to his body, she just destroyed him. It was a close battle, but in the end, SE won by a HAIR. She had around 34-38 health left, and this sounds strange, but the Sylvan Regeneration saved my butt a few times. Just some extra data if you need it...

whoa, even though I don't have him, Tasiji gave an awesome cent on Wrecking Ball. I don't know how, but everyone agrees with him and I seem to be the only one who (occasionally) immune to his advice or opinions.

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whoa, even though I don't have him, Tasiji gave an awesome cent on Wrecking Ball. I don't know how, but everyone agrees with him and I seem to be the only one who (occasionally) immune to his advice or opinions.

I myself feel prone to trust Tashiji's contributions because of the experience i've had with him on this thread, the previous Spyro's Adventure tier list thread, and threads before. He was one of the earliest posters on this forum to post about having tier lists in Skylanders, even before the first "Definitive" tier list project for SA was made.
All throughout the existence of both of these tier list threads, he has been the most productive and, importantly, the most OBJECTIVE contributor to the thread, always posting in a clear and demonstrative fashion, backing up all of his statements with a clear show of experience and (often extensive) research. From a research standpoint, he probably has the most perfect set up on this entire forum: he owns every version of every character on each upgrade path, each with all heroic challenges completed, and he has a reliable partner to battle with who is of aproximately equal skill to him. Most of all, it has become apparant over the long while i've seen him post that everything he says is pretty much correct 90% of the time. Even in in the event that people disagree with one of his statements, he is often proved right further down the line after further research.

Thank you, EgoNaut. I appreciate hearing that kind of feedback. I respect your contributions as well, you've added a great deal to Skylanders PVP theory and really made this topic the premiere source for this kind of information more or less across the entire internet.

And LightSpyro, I really don't purport to be right all the time. You'll notice that I don't fight when people disagree with me, and usually won't reply at all unless their reason for disagreeing in the first place is that they're not making full use of a character, or using a different tactic than what I base my recommendation on. After all, you're not going to get the same results playing, say, Drill Sergeant, if you're just charging around and not playing keep-away. Other than that, I'll stop in and ask if a result I don't understand is based on a difference in Heroics or something like that, but the intent is never to undermine a person's recommendation; just to establish a consensus.

But this is a local game only, and until the series adds online PVP with some kind of aggregate ranking system, results can never truly be substantiated by statistics or proven objectively factual. I'm the first to admit that my results are based primarily on PVP with Vhraina, and my conditions are as EgoNaut said. If what you're finding in any way conflicts with that, well, that's why this is a group discussion and not a Tashiji's PVP Tier thread, and of course the forum appreciates hearing it. Believe me, I'm not one of those folks who takes grave offense to being disagreed with.

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But this is a local game only, and until the series adds online PVP with some kind of aggregate ranking system, results can never truly be substantiated by statistics or proven objectively factual.

Yeah if the series even GETS online play, although I do think it'd be nice since I hardly can play PvP (even when Ido, mostr of the fights are too easy for me, I don't normally judge based on testing) because of this) and it'd be good to test against each other for us. Even then, some of us might not even have the same consoles and still couldn't play uke it out.

But if I can, I will totally record the whole fights with my opponent in case anyone tries to stretch the truth, even if I'm a horrible player

While we're on the subject of acknowledgements, I should totally point out that I really apreciate LightSpyro13's contributions as well. It's incredibly useful to have someone to challenge established norms and talk about what's wrong with characters, often at the times where people do nothing but praise!

Mmmmppphhhh
Total Tunge Is GOD
It destroyed A Ancors A Yay Thumpback

Why dont we start figuring Ninjini out?

^ Yes, Ninjini is next for me. I figured I'd make Wrecking Ball a priority though, since there appears to be a post feud over whether he's overrated or underrated at the moment. I'd say under, given how tests went.

Wrecking Ball has been released? And also, I went to my local Target to get Jade Flashwing, but they said they weren't going to release her until the 17th. Is this true?

Yes and, yes, Ghostroaster24.

I'm going to be the first here to say that I think both of Crusher's paths(especially Rock grinder) should go down a tier, and in return bring Bouncer/I beam supreme(haven't done a lot of testing with robot rocketeer) up to A. Crusher has simply lost a lot of his luster. The hammer is very strong but a pitifully clunky melee attack that's slower than average, and so it's strength is really overlooked by its cons. The rockslide is almost useless on Rock grinder, but on rubble master it does have its functions, but they just have too much of a damn learning curve. The little boulders are clunky and weak. The rock explosion is nice but can be quite hard to land. He's got good health and armor going for him, but he is a BIG target, and is extremely clunky. Just to clunky to comptete in A tier.

Bouncer on the I beam supreme path has a lot of useful moves. He can fire that weak but fast flurry of bullets that can result in big damage at range. He has a surprisingly powerful close range I beam that can spawn some AI laser mines for extra damage. The rockets CAN be useful at times, but they expose Bouncer a lot. The fists are a cool soul gem, and pack a punch(ha!) He's just a much easier character to play as than Crusher.

Rock Grinder should definitely drop to B and I-Beam Supreme should go to A. I don't agree with bringing Rubble Master down though, his HP and Armor are too high for B tier, and the hammer and rock explosions are still bound to hit your opponent a couple of times (I can actually land then fairly well). He is large and his attacks are clunky, but still too durable for B, hardly anybody in there could beat beat him besides Wasp Stormer Swarm (another mediocre Giant) and Tempest Dragon Whirlwind because of their elemental advantages.

Rock Grinder is mediocre because:

1. The hammer damage only increases by 10 (40-50 damage). It still does a lot of damage, but not enough to make up for the clunky swings.

2. The combos suck and have poor aim, plus they do around the same damage as his primary combo.

3. The Grinders are still hard to aim and only seem to strike your opponent once and then zip through them. You can control them where you want them to go, but still.

^ This I kinda of agree with I-beam Supreme moving up to A tier, but not with rock grinder moving down

^ Second Mrmorrises wholeheartedly on I-Beam Bouncer. I thought he already was in A, and he definitely deserves to be there.

Personally, I think B is almost too low for any Giant without huge flaws, such as Robot Rocketeer, and even that path might be too strong. Crusher might be clunky, but he's likely to bully B-tier. It's sort of like the situation with Hot Head, where he's not necessarily a strong Giant, but is still too tough for the majority of B to give him a run for his money. I agree with you that our current A-tier, now that it's been populated and refined, can make Crusher seem a little weak, but I do think that his game-best HP and absurd armor, along with his decent damage, would lead to a case of "big fish, small pond" syndrome in B-tier. It's just my opinion, but I'd rather he be lower-A than a demigod in B. There are only a couple of B guys with the power or mobility to tangle with a Giant.

^ Yeah now that you think about none of the giants can fit in with all the skylanders in B tier.

That's my opinion too, slambam. Their HP is too beefy, their damage is too high, and the competition is too weak. Granted, there are a few Giants who are definitely too poor to be a real threat in A, and the natural temptation is to move them down to B, but when they actually get there, it's like a high schooler in a kiddie pool for the most part. My stance is that it's better to have a weaker A than a B-tier bully, but I understand that there are varying schools of thought on this.

It's definitely a debate that's coming up, though, especially when the time comes to place Ancient Djinn Magic Ninjini. That's the path and the character that's going to make it necessary to discuss what to do with an A-tier punching bag who runs roughshod over B.

^ The only really bad about them is their speed , but their HP makes up for it.

• S2 Wrecking Ball / Super Spinner placed in B tier, for now.
  
• S2 Wrecking Ball / Total Tongue placed in D Tier, for now.
  
• Bouncer / I-Beam Supreme moved to A Tier.
  

Congratulations to all the posters and readers of this topic!
I have been a long time proponent of stickying this topic. I am glad that it has finally happened! Thank you EgoNaut and all the very informative posters that have made this one of the most valuable topics for any SSA and S:G player.

Thanks

Ninjini is AMAZING for PvP, especially Ring-Out.

^ Uh, but in this thread the only concern is Arena Rumble, no Ring Out or the other 2 modes.

Would be nice if it was though, since Arena Rumble is the only thing people talk about for PvP.

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Ninjini is AMAZING for PvP, especially Ring-Out.

Did you pick Djiin Magic Path or the swords?

I picked the Magic.

The Swords swing too slow, the bottle is above average.


The spheres are what really makes her stand out

Ninjini has the highest Critical Hit in the games, and with one sphere having a crit of 56 damage, she can pull off atleast 200 damage in 6 seconds.

I'd say Djiin Magic to be an A, maybe even an S, since there is a hefty amount of undeads in S, but no Techs.

^ WRONG! Drill Sergeant is a Tech in S.

The one thing to keep in mind with the S-Rank Undeads is the overwhemling cheapness of Chop Chop. He makes even Double Trouble, elemental advantage or not, seem weak as a kitten in battle. I'm not sure if his shield blocks orbs or not, but given the range of things it does block, I don't expect them to be any exception. Anyone tested this yet?

And yes, Ninjini is pretty potent. I haven't had a chance to take her through the gauntlet yet, though. Maybe this weekend. We had one shot at PVP testing this week and picked Wrecking Ball.

who do you guys think the best Undead is?

Bone Crafter's insane damage,
Undead Defender's "overwhemling cheapness",
or Eye for an Eye's remote play style?

Undead Defender is soooooo cheap, its the best all the way.

Eye Brawl not as close. He does rack up damage very fast on Eye for an Eye and has great remote control, but there are still things very wrong with him that no one seems to notice.

1. Even though his punches are fast, they are some of the lowest-damaging melee attacks in the game, and his primary combo is hard to aim and the splash effect is not very wide.

2. Large Size makes him easier to hit, a problem shared with all Giants.

3. You can still get hurt when you're not in the Giant when you are the eyeball. Yes I'm well aware that the Giant can still punch, but they deal only half the damage of the regular punches (which are also low-damaging) and strike very slowly. They also appear to be clunky and have a poor aim.

4. The Eye crawlers are just like Sonic Boom's babies: They can be destroyed in a single hit. Even with a laser spawning them on your opponent, splash attacks like Eruptor's Eruption or Flashwing's Surrounded by Shards can get rid of them easily.

5. The Eyeball can't fly over platforms, some arc-shooting characters can shoot over them and hit the Giant.

6. Worst of all: He has NO dash attack (flying eyeball doesn't count, you can't teleport to the eye) or speed boost ability. His starting speed is only 20 too, making him the slowest guy in the game. Bouncer has no speed boost either, but he's already fast enough by his rolling speed on that little wheel of his.

Hex's Wow Pow is a huge improvement for her, but it's short-ranged and can be destroyed by damaging her, and she is very slow. Fast projectile characters can still take her down, even the lower-tier guys like Gill Grunt or maybe even Trigger Happy (he's fast by running, though he has no speed boost).

I second Chop Chop, although Hex and Eye Brawl are seriously epic characters in their own right.

Not as epic though, both are pretty overrated for al the reason's I listed before, or at least Eye-Brawl due to his extremely low speed.

S1 Wrecking Ball / Total Tongue For A tier

Defeated all of these Double Trouble / Channeler

Double Trouble S2 / Channeler
Stump Smash S2 / Nut Crafter
Terrafin S2 / Sandhog
Terrafin S2 / Brawler
Bash S2 /Granite Dragon
Chop Chop S2 / Undead Defender
Hex S2 / Bone Crafter
Eye-Brawl / Eye Brawler
Eye-Brawl / Eye For An Eye
Thumpback / Anchor's A-Yay
Ignitor / Soul of the Flame
Ignitor S2 / Soul of the Flame
Flameslinger S2 / Pyromancer
Drill Sergeant S2 / Megadozer
Swarm / Barberous Avenger
So yeah awsome

Defeated nightmare with only him

Keep pressing Primary Attack you have infinite tounge

^ Find it extremely difficult to believe you.

Psh why i am MASTER with him

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S1 Wrecking Ball / Total Tongue For A tier

Defeated all of these Double Trouble / Channeler

Double Trouble S2 / Channeler
Stump Smash S2 / Nut Crafter
Terrafin S2 / Sandhog
Terrafin S2 / Brawler
Bash S2 /Granite Dragon
Chop Chop S2 / Undead Defender
Hex S2 / Bone Crafter
Eye-Brawl / Eye Brawler
Eye-Brawl / Eye For An Eye
Thumpback / Anchor's A-Yay
Ignitor / Soul of the Flame
Ignitor S2 / Soul of the Flame
Flameslinger S2 / Pyromancer
Drill Sergeant S2 / Megadozer
Swarm / Barberous Avenger
So yeah awsome

Defeated nightmare with only him

Keep pressing Primary Attack you have infinite tounge

Simply providing a list of opponents that a Skylander managed to beat is somewhat useful, (especially if they apply to a certain tier,) but still not massively useful. What we really need to know is why Wrecking Ball was beating those opponents: How was he attacking them? What were they doing in response and why was it not working?

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S1 Wrecking Ball / Total Tongue For A tier

Defeated all of these Double Trouble / Channeler

Double Trouble S2 / Channeler
Stump Smash S2 / Nut Crafter
Terrafin S2 / Sandhog
Terrafin S2 / Brawler
Bash S2 /Granite Dragon
Chop Chop S2 / Undead Defender
Hex S2 / Bone Crafter
Eye-Brawl / Eye Brawler
Eye-Brawl / Eye For An Eye
Thumpback / Anchor's A-Yay
Ignitor / Soul of the Flame
Ignitor S2 / Soul of the Flame
Flameslinger S2 / Pyromancer
Drill Sergeant S2 / Megadozer
Swarm / Barberous Avenger
So yeah awsome

Defeated nightmare with only him

Keep pressing Primary Attack you have infinite tounge

I'm thinking you should give a reason how he won all those times.

Double Trouble S2 I spam tounge on him then I finished him with BUUURRRPPP/ Magic bomb took to long
STUMP SMASH Roller Ball and Tounge/ He was not fast
Terrafin Both Did not have a chance/ Punching does not kill
Bash well WB lost this/ Rolling Thunder = Death for WB
Choppy Tounge for win/ Baby's are sorta slow
Hex Wrecking Hamster Ball/ 22 damage can not go wrong
Eye Brawl Both Tounge Tounge / KEEP SPAMING MR CUTE
Thumpback Did I already say this in a other post?/ I did say this
Ignitor Both TOUNGE/ Flame did not go well
Flameslinger I got hit but PWND him in end/Well he was fast but not sonic
DS He did nothing/ NO I DON'T WANT A LAZER CANNON
Swarm All Tounge no burp or ball/ This was hard how ever I killed him with TOUNGE

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S1 Wrecking Ball / Total Tongue For A tier

Defeated all of these Double Trouble / Channeler

Double Trouble S2 / Channeler
Stump Smash S2 / Nut Crafter
Terrafin S2 / Sandhog
Terrafin S2 / Brawler
Bash S2 /Granite Dragon
Chop Chop S2 / Undead Defender
Hex S2 / Bone Crafter
Eye-Brawl / Eye Brawler
Eye-Brawl / Eye For An Eye
Thumpback / Anchor's A-Yay
Ignitor / Soul of the Flame
Ignitor S2 / Soul of the Flame
Flameslinger S2 / Pyromancer
Drill Sergeant S2 / Megadozer
Swarm / Barberous Avenger
So yeah awsome

Defeated nightmare with only him

Keep pressing Primary Attack you have infinite tounge

You liar, there is NO way you could've beaten most (if not all) of these guys if your opponent was equally skilled as you. I know you're

1. Making it all up and lying.

2. Being biased.

3. Playing against someone who is VERY bad.

4. Being biased.

5. Don't forget 2 and 4.

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Double Trouble S2 I spam tounge on him then I finished him with BUUURRRPPP/ Magic bomb took to long
STUMP SMASH Roller Ball and Tounge/ He was not fast
Terrafin Both Did not have a chance/ Punching does not kill
Bash well WB lost this/ Rolling Thunder = Death for WB
Choppy Tounge for win/ Baby's are sorta slow
Hex Wrecking Hamster Ball/ 22 damage can not go wrong
Eye Brawl Both Tounge Tounge / KEEP SPAMING MR CUTE
Thumpback Did I already say this in a other post?/ I did say this
Ignitor Both TOUNGE/ Flame did not go well
Flameslinger I got hit but PWND him in end/Well he was fast but not sonic
DS He did nothing/ NO I DON'T WANT A LAZER CANNON
Swarm All Tounge no burp or ball/ This was hard how ever I killed him with TOUNGE

what? undead defender and sandhog are the two cheapest characters in the game, they can beat almost all the skylanders WITHOUT TAKING ONE HIT. to put it bluntly, YOU ARE LYING.

Quote: Sleepy0429

S1 Wrecking Ball / Total Tongue For A tier

Defeated all of these Double Trouble / Channeler

Double Trouble S2 / Channeler
Stump Smash S2 / Nut Crafter
Terrafin S2 / Sandhog
Terrafin S2 / Brawler
Bash S2 /Granite Dragon
Chop Chop S2 / Undead Defender
Hex S2 / Bone Crafter
Eye-Brawl / Eye Brawler
Eye-Brawl / Eye For An Eye
Thumpback / Anchor's A-Yay
Ignitor / Soul of the Flame
Ignitor S2 / Soul of the Flame
Flameslinger S2 / Pyromancer
Drill Sergeant S2 / Megadozer
Swarm / Barberous Avenger
So yeah awsome

Defeated nightmare with only him

Keep pressing Primary Attack you have infinite tounge

Guys, when someone says something like his, JUST IGNORE IT. Unless it is someone who's been a long time contributor.

Personally, I don't think Hex is overrated at all. Yes, the skull servant has its flaws, but if you're depending solely on that for your wins, you're playing her wrong. The truth is, Bone Crafter is a very competent and defensively solid path even without the servant. The bone shields and skull rain are both solid attacks, she can stave off ranged and melee offense easily for the most part, and she can alternate between skull rain (very long range) and skull servant (medium range heavy) at will. She's versatile and effective with or without the servant, and can utilize all of her other attacks while the servant is active. The servant is just the thing that breaks her; there's no fair way to allow a solid character like BC Hex to deal 280 damage, rapid-fire blasts without creating one of the best characters in the game.

I know a lot of people forget they have other attacks once they get the servant, and that's why we hear a lot of noise about Hex being overrated, but if you use every attack you're given, there's no way a character like Trigger Happy stands a chance. You don't even need the skull servant to lay a beating on him. Regular S1 Bone Crafter is taking that fight more often than not. Gill Grunt is certainly a threat to Hex, as you say, but we're talking about a character that many would argue belongs in A-tier as it is, and an A taking down an S is if anything commonplace depending on elemental and strategic advantages. If anything, I feel we're rating Hex correctly and underrating Gill Grunt.

As for Eye Brawl, speed isn't really his issue in PVP. Both forms use the remote eye as their primary attack; Eye for an Eye to kill, and Eye Brawler to force the opposition closer. Speed is no more an issue for Eye Brawl than it is for Ignitor, because they do the same thing, and the tactic forces the enemy to close the gap themselves or be defeated by the remote eye. Yes, he's a big target, but he the defenses to back it up, more so than virtually any other Giant thanks to his strategy. Mini-eyes are easy to kill, yes, but on Eye for an Eye, they spawn so rapidly that if you aren't a character like Eruptor, who is a very worthy A-tier character and the game's AoE champ, the option to destroy them like that is simply unavailable to you. He's not the best character in the game, but he deserves his spot in S, no question.

Chop Chop, though, is ghastly-cheap. His shield blocks virtually everything and unleashes 75-damage, long-range, wide-area blasts when it absorbs a certain amount of damage. His Wow Pow does 60, enables him to travel quickly, and stuns repeatedly. He doesn't really have a weakness, even to Magic characters. A solid case could be made for S2 Chop Chop as the best PVP character in the game, regardless of element, and there are only a few other names in that discussion.

So, all three are excellent characters, but if you want a PVP Undead who truly takes all comers and doesn't suffer from his elemental weakness at all, pick Chop Chop.

Reading around, I've just found out about the stun upgrade glitch with S2 Spyro / Blitz Spyro. I imagine it should result in some interesting tier placements.

Yes, it's the first time that a Series 2 figure will be placed below a Series 1. Without the stunlocking, Blitz Spyro is C-tier. It's the only reason he was ever B to begin with.

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Chop Chop, though, is ghastly-cheap. His shield blocks virtually everything and unleashes 75-damage, long-range, wide-area blasts when it absorbs a certain amount of damage. His Wow Pow does 60, enables him to travel quickly, and stuns repeatedly. He doesn't really have a weakness, even to Magic characters. A solid case could be made for S2 Chop Chop as the best PVP character in the game, regardless of element, and there are only a few other names in that discussion.

So, all three are excellent characters, but if you want a PVP Undead who truly takes all comers and doesn't suffer from his elemental weakness at all, pick Chop Chop.

nope, s2 terrafin and chop chop are by far the two cheapest, but when they face off, terrafin pawns him every time. i think the award goes o terrafin, his survivability beats chop chop's in the end.

As EgoNaut and Tashiji both have mentioned, S2 blitz path spyro is officially worse than his s1 counterpart due to his loss of stun. Obviously, you could refrain from purchasing his wow-pow and retain the stun, as I now have, but then I do not feel that he is really worthy of being called S2 and is simply just S1 plus a few levels.

Assuming this tier list requires a character to have all upgrades, both good and bad, then I would also recommend S2 spyro/blitz path as C tier (at best).