darkSpyro

i am grasping at straws???.... take of the glasses...

1. the wii was underpowered console that couldnt compete with the ps3/x360. nintendo got lucky with the wii-mote and did good. but was there really any good games released for it, than the usual mario,zelda etc games the fans wanted?... nope... the third party support was horrible and the showelwares release was massive.

2.the 3d/s release failed big time but after a price drop that nearly killed it. the 3d/s start selling. but still it sell mostly in japan not much in other countries.

3.the wii-u was underpowered console that couldnt compete with this gen ps3/x360 and now the ps4/x720 arrive soon. third party still not interested in supporting nintendo.

4.the wii-mini was a dismantled antiquated hardware release without 480p and wifi.

5. Miyamoto is leaving, the man that made nintendo what it is with his games.

6. nintendo have done remakes and rehashes of all their classics year after year and there is nearly no new ip being released. the last big one was pikmin in 2001.

its clearly where nintendo will end up. we will not lose nintendo that i think never will happen. but it will end up as software maker like sega.

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Nintendo has nothing to fear, I can personally swear that. They have so much money coming in from various avenues, that they could stay afloat based on handheld sales alone. For the forseeable future, they got the handheld console market locked down. They simply need to release new Marios, Zeldas, and Pokemons and bam, instant money.

Everyone keeps pulling this when it comes to Nintendo -

http://www.vgmemes.com/wp-cont...tendo-cycle.png

But it never happens. Nintendo isn't exiting the console race. The Wii U is outselling the 360 and PS3 in the same months after their release, while also staying just shy of what Wii was selling during its months of release.

I think why everyone predicts doom and gloom with Nintendo, is because all of these 3rd party FPS games aren't making it to Wii U like they are 360/PS3. Games like Bioshock Infinite and such. Even a game like Tomb Raider isn't supposedly coming to Wii U. However, people forget the Wii sold like crazy, despite the lack of 3rd party support. It sold based on casual games and quality exclusives like Xenoblade, Mario Galaxy, and Zelda.

All Nintendo really has to do, is start pumping out Wii Fit, Sports, etc, and then start up the commercials, and the casuals would be back. At the same time, they need to focus on the core gamer more than they did with Wii.

Nintendo isn't going SEGA on us.

I support you, for me, Vita is just not doing good, and that was just a price cut, nothing else, also, kappa, you're saying the Vita sold more than the 3DS LL but just see all the 3DS sales and all the Vita sales, just see
Vita has a lack of games, a big lack

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I won't be purchasing one at that price point and I likely never will.

Ugh. It needs to be said in this debate that the Wii-U's price point will probably end up being one of, if not the top reason that they will continue to be massively successful this cycle. For the system to come out so low, and you know it will only get lower, is an incredibly smart move on Nintendo's part. There is a small chance I am wrong here, but I'm betting that PS4 will sell for about $599. Next Xbox will probably run about $350-$400. Then you're also banking on, assuming that they truly are going for a two screen experience, people being willing to pay a premium price for a tablet or a Vita. The Sony/Microsoft systems will most definitely not have it in the package, and if they do, they'll tack an extra load of cash on the price. What Sony needs to realize is that PS4, if they debut it like PS3, will sell terribly no matter what games they put on it or what promises they make if they come out too high. I buy EVERY system at launch, but I waited four years for a PS3, when the prices were finally reasonable. Despite my extreme enthusiasm for PS4, if the price isn't right, I'll be doing the same again.

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I won't be purchasing one at that price point and I likely never will.

Ugh. It needs to be said in this debate that the Wii-U's price point will probably end up being one of, if not the top reason that they will continue to be massively successful this cycle. For the system to come out so low, and you know it will only get lower, is an incredibly smart move on Nintendo's part. There is a small chance I am wrong here, but I'm betting that PS4 will sell for about $599. Next Xbox will probably run about $350-$400. Then you're also banking on, assuming that they truly are going for a two screen experience, people being willing to pay a premium price for a tablet or a Vita. The Sony/Microsoft systems will most definitely not have it in the package, and if they do, they'll tack an extra load of cash on the price. What Sony needs to realize is that PS4, if they debut it like PS3, will sell terribly no matter what games they put on it or what promises they make if they come out too high. I buy EVERY system at launch, but I waited four years for a PS3, when the prices were finally reasonable. Despite my extreme enthusiasm for PS4, if the price isn't right, I'll be doing the same again.

you dont follow much news do you?... it have been said for a long time now that the ps4 will be in the $350-$400 or what the x720 will end up price-wise. sony have learned from their errors nintendo have not and still live in the 1996. it is clearly that nintendo will be in big trouble when the nextgen arrive. nijntendo will lower their price on the wii-u and sell with a loss(after they had a big loss on the failed wii-mini). while sony will reduce their price on the ps3 to compete with the wii-u. ps3 with its big range of games and new games still coming. nintendo will get it ruff very ruff... also remember you will have x720 pushing from the other side....

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i am grasping at straws???.... take of the glasses...

1. the wii was underpowered console that couldnt compete with the ps3/x360. nintendo got lucky with the wii-mote and did good. but was there really any good games released for it, than the usual mario,zelda etc games the fans wanted?... nope... the third party support was horrible and the showelwares release was massive.

2.the 3d/s release failed big time but after a price drop that nearly killed it. the 3d/s start selling. but still it sell mostly in japan not much in other countries.

3.the wii-u was underpowered console that couldnt compete with this gen ps3/x360 and now the ps4/x720 arrive soon. third party still not interested in supporting nintendo.

4.the wii-mini was a dismantled antiquated hardware release without 480p and wifi.

5. Miyamoto is leaving, the man that made nintendo what it is with his games.

6. nintendo have done remakes and rehashes of all their classics year after year and there is nearly no new ip being released. the last big one was pikmin in 2001.

its clearly where nintendo will end up. we will not lose nintendo that i think never will happen. but it will end up as software maker like sega.

1. Underpowered or not, the Wii crushed the competition in sales. Lots of good games, Boom Blox, Madworld, etc. More than 30 million more than PS3 sold, worldwide.

2. The 3DS is doing almost as good as the DS did in the same time period. It started slowly, but in the past year has improved a lot especially with lots of really good games.

3. Third party support was strong, backed off some, but is still happening. Many big releases have WiiU versions, including most recently Watch Dogs.

4. The Wii Mini is no different than the NES re-design and the SNES re-design. A stripped down version for people looking for a budget option, particularly in secondary markets. Just shows how strong the Wii has done.

5. Miyamoto isn't leaving he just mentioned that he has obviously thought about retirement some day. You sound like he has one foot out the door. Read the article more closely.

6. Yes, they milk franchises, but they have also dabbled in new stuff with varying success. Even if they only iterate their core franchises they still sell tons. MS and Sony WISH they had such a catalog to plunder. You may not care about new Mario games, but they always sell tons. People want new iterations of Zelda, Mario, Smash Bros., etc. Their biggest E3 in recent memory consisted of two Mario games, a Zelda game a Donkey Kong game and a Metroid game.

And your prediction of them going software only is nothing new. People have been saying that since Sega went software only - yet here we are. Nintendo is a vastly different company than Sega ever was, predicting their direction based on that is very flawed. History doesn't predict them going the way of Sega, history predicts them continuing to defy the naysayers.

Oh royal double trouble...look what you started!!!

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Oh royal double trouble...look what you started!!!

from a skylander discussion to adults arguing about wich video game console is better.

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you dont follow much news do you?... it have been said for a long time now that the ps4 will be in the $350-$400 or what the x720 will end up price-wise. sony have learned from their errors nintendo have not and still live in the 1996. it is clearly that nintendo will be in big trouble when the nextgen arrive. nijntendo will lower their price on the wii-u and sell with a loss(after they had a big loss on the failed wii-mini). while sony will reduce their price on the ps3 to compete with the wii-u. ps3 with its big range of games and new games still coming. nintendo will get it ruff very ruff... also remember you will have x720 pushing from the other side....

Umm no, the PS4 is predicted in the $429 to $529 range. Don't tell people they don't follow the news when you obviously don't read it closely either.

Get off the Wii Mini stuff. It has nothing to do with current gen, Nintendo has a history of releasing stripped down "budget" versions of their system when a new one comes out. It isn't even coming to all regions (including the US) - it is for Canada.

We were indoctrinated into arguing about which game console is better as children. All the ads were Nintendo slamming Sega and vice versa. Back then, game companies were like political parties to us, and it was serious business. lawl

No console is better in my eyes. I own every console dating back to the NES. However, frequent releases of games is what keeps systems going, and the Vita's well of games has been super dry over the past year, by my standards.

But, fanboys of certain systems do suck. I even go as far as to say people are generally fanboys of systems, and bash systems they don't have, because they can't afford said system.

Games are what matter. I just buy the consoles that play them. That doesn't stop the Vita from being a disappointment in the game release frequency department.

I agree, I like and have all 3 consoles - and like all three companies. No part of what I said dissed the other consoles. It is merely pointing out the flawed logic of continuing to expect Nintendo to cave despite AMPLE evidence against it. It isn't really a console wars argument.

I dunno, but I think a great deal of people are going to grow old waiting for a Playstation Super Mario. Maybe it is wishful thinking, hoping they will get to play all their favorite games on one platform. Won't happen.

Nintendo isn't caving. I would peg Sony or MS to cave before Nintendo.

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i am grasping at straws???.... take of the glasses...

1. the wii was underpowered console that couldnt compete with the ps3/x360. nintendo got lucky with the wii-mote and did good. but was there really any good games released for it, than the usual mario,zelda etc games the fans wanted?... nope... the third party support was horrible and the showelwares release was massive.

2.the 3d/s release failed big time but after a price drop that nearly killed it. the 3d/s start selling. but still it sell mostly in japan not much in other countries.

3.the wii-u was underpowered console that couldnt compete with this gen ps3/x360 and now the ps4/x720 arrive soon. third party still not interested in supporting nintendo.

4.the wii-mini was a dismantled antiquated hardware release without 480p and wifi.

5. Miyamoto is leaving, the man that made nintendo what it is with his games.

6. nintendo have done remakes and rehashes of all their classics year after year and there is nearly no new ip being released. the last big one was pikmin in 2001.

its clearly where nintendo will end up. we will not lose nintendo that i think never will happen. but it will end up as software maker like sega.

1. Underpowered or not, the Wii crushed the competition in sales. Lots of good games, Boom Blox, Madworld, etc. More than 30 million more than PS3 sold, worldwide.

2. The 3DS is doing almost as good as the DS did in the same time period. It started slowly, but in the past year has improved a lot especially with lots of really good games.

3. Third party support was strong, backed off some, but is still happening. Many big releases have WiiU versions, including most recently Watch Dogs.

4. The Wii Mini is no different than the NES re-design and the SNES re-design. A stripped down version for people looking for a budget option, particularly in secondary markets. Just shows how strong the Wii has done.

5. Miyamoto isn't leaving he just mentioned that he has obviously thought about retirement some day. You sound like he has one foot out the door. Read the article more closely.

6. Yes, they milk franchises, but they have also dabbled in new stuff with varying success. Even if they only iterate their core franchises they still sell tons. MS and Sony WISH they had such a catalog to plunder. You may not care about new Mario games, but they always sell tons. People want new iterations of Zelda, Mario, Smash Bros., etc. Their biggest E3 in recent memory consisted of two Mario games, a Zelda game a Donkey Kong game and a Metroid game.

And your prediction of them going software only is nothing new. People have been saying that since Sega went software only - yet here we are. Nintendo is a vastly different company than Sega ever was, predicting their direction based on that is very flawed. History doesn't predict them going the way of Sega, history predicts them continuing to defy the naysayers.

let me be the first to say this to you... when you wake up next year from your disillusions, it is gonna be ruff for you buddy. it is clearly your to fanboy to see what is happening with nintendo as we speak.

i can agree with you that it is sad we will lose nintendo as a hardware company, but there is not much we can do. when the top man at nintendo don't know how things function outside japan.

there is also a limit to how much you can remake and rehash your franchises like mario, zelda etc before it becoming stale.

here is another interesting read....

Third-Party Publishers React To Deflating Wii Bubble
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/..._to_.php?page=2

You realize that article is over three years old?

Anyways.
1. Wii U to me looks what the wii should have been power wise minus the tablet. However I do understand why it wasn't they wanted to make cash on the wii and it would have caused them to loose money like sony and ms did.
2. PS4 looks good but it has to meet the price they have been saying for awhile of $300-$400 to sell well. i can't see this system selling for less then $400 in less sony plans to again take a $$$ lose on each system it sells.
3. X720 falls along with above.

There has to be good reason to "upgrade" to the next best thing.
The Wii u has the tablet thing, but for some ppl the 2nd screen thing might be useless. I mean most american homes have more then one tv, it might be different sizes etc but ya. As a kid in the 1980's i played Nintendo on a tv that was broken. It couldn't get tv to work for crap but it could play nintendo games fine. We used that for years my siblings and I, my dad got it from someone tossing it out. The tablet might be interesting but it is in no way the same thing as the wii remote was to games. am I the only one that when they buy a video game system want to play it on a tv and not a small tablet..i mean i have a 3ds for that.

Sony got alot of casuals last gen because of the bluray player. I know many homes that have a PS3 cause they wanted to get bluray and get a system for their children to play, hell my dad has a ps3 for this reason. He wanted something simple and the added bonus that we can load games on it worked for him. I bought a ps2 even for a similar reason as i wanted a dvd player at the time and hell might as well get a cool gaming system.

I cant speak for Xbox as even thou i own a 360 i barely use it, I got it for halo a couple yrs ago and since then the wife uses it for movies, I felt it was sort of a waste to get more then one of the 2 (being ps3 and xbox). Wii is different in that it has games that i enjoy that other consoles don't get. The only reason I owned every Nintendo system is the first party stuff, without that Nintendo would be dead in the water.

In the end I think Nintendo will drop the wii u price point after the ps4 and 720 hit the street and will market the lower price point. Families will get kids the next mario etc and will go with the Nintendo. Most parents that grew up with Nintendo and stopped playing as adults will buy their kids Nintendo. I know adults that haven't played a video game in yrs but their 8 yr old has a wii. I think Nintendo will always have a range group of ppl that will always get the system. I think the teens to adults will always choose xbox/ps3 and get a nintendo even if its to just play some games then sell off to gamestop.
I for one will get a wii u during this drop, the ps4 I will get prop once I see some new games out that I really really want otherwise its wii and ps3 for now.

LOL, a fanboy that has an XBox360, a Playstation 3 and a WiiU. I'm not sure you understand what a fanboy is here. And if you think next year we will be mourning the loss of Nintendo as a hardware company you are delusional.

Articles like that one come out all the time. Don't hitch your trailer to that too much. How about one for you to peruse:

http://kotaku.com/5960411/how-...round-the-world

Does that mean Playstation 4 will be a massive failure? Probably not.

Nintendo isn't going to be a treasured brand among parents forever. PS1 gamers are becoming parents now, G1 Xboxers are starting families... People who played games as teenagers in the era of a waning N64 and failed GameCube don't harbor the same love that us older gamers do for the classics. Nintendo can't sustain itself on the family demographic forever, because newer families are going to be thinking twice. I'm not saying the brand is dead, even though I do believe it's coming at some point. I'm merely saying that Nintendo can't sustain itself for the foreseeable future on rosy memories of the '80s and '90s if they continue to fail in both technology and innovation. Eventually those folks are going to stop having kids, and the next generation of parents will remember FF7, Metal Gear Solid, Halo, and the like before Mario and Zelda. I want Nintendo to succeed, but trotting out the old franchises isn't going to keep them afloat when the core demographic only remembers their golden age as something mommy and daddy talked about.

The fact is that the Wii has been declining in both sales and brand confidence for years, and it has certainly reflected poorly on early adoption of the Wii U. The system has no buzz, no games, and isn't future-proofed. It may not put Nintendo out of business outright, but to call it a contender at this point in time is clearly a long-shot.

Not every parent out there sat around playing video games as a kid, or kept up with it in the intervening years. And, if you recall those were originally Nintendo games. The vast majority of parents out there don't know that much about current games, but they know going with Nintendo is safe. Even if they remember Metal Gear, they sure as heck don't want their 9 year old playing it. You aren't going to have a game where Mario pulls people's heads off or carjacks someone. Most parents don't have time to research the games, so it is easier to go with the safe option.

And Nintendo will stop rehashing games when they stop selling. Skyward sword did not do as well as past Zelda games - and they have said they are going to try a new direction with the next one. But Mario still sells tons, in fact one of their big announcements so far is just a level pack expansion for Mario U. MY sons love every new version of it that comes out.

In fact, every time Nintendo tries a different direction people cry out in betrayal: Super Mario 2, Zelda 2, Majora's Mask, Super Mario Sunshine, original outrage at Metroid Prime, Wind Waker, etc. What you call a weakness is something the biggest fans demand.

Yeah, that's just the thing. People are starting not to remember that FF and Metal Gear used to be Nintendo games. The passage of time alters perception, and the original FF and Metal Gear games are starting to seem like relics of classical antiquity. The current crop of parents still remember SNES and N64, but how true will that be in five to ten years? It's like I keep saying. The Wii U may not end them outright, but there's seriously no way you can objectively declare the company to be secure for the foreseeable future. That's as much an opinion as anyone's.

They are "secure" because the way they run their business and have a huge warchest. The WiiU may plod along, and end up like Gamecube, sure. Long term a couple consoles in a row like that might change their perception. But they have risen from the ashes many times. They certainly aren't a year away from dropping the console business as kappa suggests, however.

I really think we will know more after the other two consoles come out. You cannot judge a Nintendo console in the first few months, ever. Sony and MS still have a lot of unknowns - particularly in price. A lot of people are waiting to see that first. Unlike the Wii, they aren't coming out last - they hit first.

Can somone please PM me when the conversation about RDT resumes? Thanks.

Yeah, I agree. The same evidence is pushing us each to diametrically dissimilar theories, so it's impossible to form a solid judgment here. I don't see a company poised to repeat what happened with the Wii. Personally, I think a repeat of the GameCube is more likely. It may end them if the number crunchers behind the scenes see more money in going multiplatform, but I've never said the reason would be financial ruin. If Miyamoto does indeed step down, and more of the Old Guard calls it a day, the business model may well change and become more focused on monetary gain than maintaining a hardware line. In reality, it could go any number of ways, both positive and negative, for the House that Mario Built. Likelihood, like most things, is a matter of perception, and the future is still very much open-ended.

Damn, all this talk about the end of Nintendo makes me realize that when Nintendo goes, so will Pokemon. :'(

Skylanders would go first though...just sayin'.

But anyways, I feel like overseas will be getting a single of RDT.

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Yeah, that's just the thing. People are starting not to remember that FF and Metal Gear used to be Nintendo games. The passage of time alters perception, and the original FF and Metal Gear games are starting to seem like relics of classical antiquity. The current crop of parents still remember SNES and N64, but how true will that be in five to ten years? It's like I keep saying. The Wii U may not end them outright, but there's seriously no way you can objectively declare the company to be secure for the foreseeable future. That's as much an opinion as anyone's.

todays kids mario is 'call of duty'.... that is how disconnected nintendo have become...

I can honestly say I am proud of my soon to be 11 year old son. The first RPG he ever beat, was FFIV on SNES. He values gameplay over graphics and color over gritty brown games.

I can totally forsee kids who grew up on PS1 becoming parents and getting their kids to think that games aren't fun unless they have great graphics. Man, would those kids be missing out on some great games.

In a few years a pc will come and made ps4 and xbos720 graphic suck...

Also purching games is expensive so i am not getting next generation consoles. I will just buy a good pc for gaming and keep it, is way cheaper.

I am getting too old for gaming, i dont fell the same addiction of the older days.

In a few years i will leave gaming for sure

LOL at kids that age playing Call of Duty: MW3. You've proved me wrong with a single picture of two children!

Seriously though, you obviously don't know how most parents think. Yes, some let their kids play just about anything - but from the parents I know (and know a lot of them) that just doesn't fly. One kid tried to talk my son into letting him play Gears of War once - and he has since been banned from our house (for that and other reasons). I have some mature games, but my son has absolutely zero interest in them.

Those kids are about the age of my oldest son - and he has no idea what Call of Duty is, nor do most of his friends. But, if you ask them about Mario, well I hope you have some time on your hands ...

Edit: Oh and that is a Gamestop I believe, they would be violating company policy by selling those consoles to those kids.

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Yeah, that's just the thing. People are starting not to remember that FF and Metal Gear used to be Nintendo games. The passage of time alters perception, and the original FF and Metal Gear games are starting to seem like relics of classical antiquity. The current crop of parents still remember SNES and N64, but how true will that be in five to ten years? It's like I keep saying. The Wii U may not end them outright, but there's seriously no way you can objectively declare the company to be secure for the foreseeable future. That's as much an opinion as anyone's.

todays kids mario is 'call of duty'.... that is how disconnected nintendo have become...

I am 13 years old and i was in small game store looking for skylanders while i was in the skylanders section i say some tham little kids looking for games like MW3 god of war and mature game i lock at them with a poker face wondering for myself (something is wrong... should not be the opposite?)

Well, this has been an interesting topic.

Nintendo isn't going anywhere folks.

After the nuclear war, it'll be cockroaches playing Nintendo systems.

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LOL at kids that age playing Call of Duty: MW3. You've proved me wrong with a single picture of two children!

Seriously though, you obviously don't know how most parents think. Yes, some let their kids play just about anything - but from the parents I know (and know a lot of them) that just doesn't fly. One kid tried to talk my son into letting him play Gears of War once - and he has since been banned from our house (for that and other reasons). I have some mature games, but my son has absolutely zero interest in them.

Those kids are about the age of my oldest son - and he has no idea what Call of Duty is, nor do most of his friends. But, if you ask them about Mario, well I hope you have some time on your hands ...

Edit: Oh and that is a Gamestop I believe, they would be violating company policy by selling those consoles to those kids.

the pic speaks tones...

your not the norm of parents of today, your in the few. i play these games i am right there where it happens. and sadly your kid is gonna be teased at school at some point if he talk about mario..

because mario just ain't cool anymore and nintendo is on its way out... that is how it is...

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the pic speaks tones...

your not the norm of parents of today, your in the few. i play these games i am right there where it happens. and sadly your kid is gonna be teased at school at some point if he talk about mario..

because mario just ain't cool anymore and nintendo is on its way out... that is how it is...

You know what is cool? Decent grammar and spelling. He can actually form a decent sentence and spell correctly.

And why would he be picked on? All his friends come over to play Mario on the WiiU. Maybe it is just your school where they value games based on how many buckets of blood you spill. Maybe when he is older he will enjoy more mature games, but not at the age of those children and him. But, if he is like his Dad, he won't lose an appreciation for good games. I may not have been talking over Super Mario Bros. strategy with my friends in high school, but you can bet I was playing those games.

And ... while you are at it, Mario is not much different than Skylanders. Do kids at your school pick on you for collecting Skylanders?

Go ahead, talk it up on the playground about how Nintendo is on its way out. I'm sure you know how the business works, because you can pull up three year old articles you didn't read completely. I'll go on the fact that I've heard kids like you saying the exact same thing for the past 20+ years. Mario isn't cool, Nintendo is dead now, blah blah blah.

http://www.notenoughshaders.co...ext-generation/

This is an amazing, in-depth article that I urge everyone to read.

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the pic speaks tones...

your not the norm of parents of today, your in the few. i play these games i am right there where it happens. and sadly your kid is gonna be teased at school at some point if he talk about mario..

because mario just ain't cool anymore and nintendo is on its way out... that is how it is...

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The pic speaks tons...

You're not the norm of parents of today, you're in the few. I play these games. I am right there where it happens and sadly your kid is gonna be teased at school at some point if he talks about Mario..

because Mario just ain't cool anymore and Nintendo is on its way out... that is how it is...

perhaps you should worry less about what multinational corporations are doing, and rather than playing war games, concentrate on your school work. It is clearly suffering.

Wow. That is your idea of "fixed"?

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Wow. That is your idea of "fixed"?

that was just the incorrect capitalization and incorrect homophones. I simply don't have time to make the rest of it into a coherent English paragraph. Kids today type text messages on their phones, where they get charged based on length. Thus, they are incentivized to make everything as short, concise and abbreviated as possible. Sadly, they now also use this style when writing in places where such brevity is actually a hindrance to communicating.

Thankfully, by those time today's pre-teens are 40 and running the world, I will be in my 80s, and won't care how bad their ability to use the the language is.

Texts aren't charged based on length. It is just laziness and stupidity.

Can you guys quit the console battle ^above^? all of the consoles have something to offer wether or not you realize it. And it's OK to have a preference. kappa has made it clear on here that he is a big Sony PURIST who won't acknowledge the positives of Nintendo's consoles and completely ignores Microsoft, so it is useless fighting him. P.S. THE NEXTBOX AND PS4 WILL BE UNDERPOWERED COMPARED TO WHAT GAMING BUILT PCS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PULL OFF. Good PCs- price and maintainence of which are constantly overexaggerated- play game ports more graphically capable than their console counterparts and the dedicated machines will just never catch up with them. Not to mention you don't need to buy new PCs unless you're really behind... Just update a couple of your parts and you're fine. PC gaming audience is also rising. Look at Steam. PC gaming will always be most powerful so if you are looking at what is most powerful as the only thing that will live just give up. KYM: PC Master Race

On-topic. They should have just released him in a Single. He would have sold like hotcakes. The iOS version never would have sold because a lot of the public sees it as "oh... I have the toys so I can just use the codes for them, and play the game without the Portal, for $7". I wouldn't be surprised if there were people buying the pack thinking that was the only way to have the game and actually regret it if they see it on the app store for <$10.
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Nintendo is going Sega

Oh god. I thought of "going Turbo" when I read this

Quote: defpally

And of course, Microsoft is healthy, as always. They could keep their games division afloat for years on Windows/Office profits. It's pretty well know that the first XBox was a huge money sink for them that they simply decided to brute force their way into.

If the cost of the hardware didn't kill them (they weren't very disciplined on the parts used), the failures did. I only got my xbox a year ago because I felt they've finally gotten to the point that they've learned how to make these things effeciently. Considering I grew up on MS DOS, I know Microsoft's tactics all too clearly: mimick others, do a bad job, and eventually they'll get it right down the road. I had no desire to fund their R&D with a poorly created product like I have with Windows back in 1990-1994 days.

Nintendo makes great systems. They don't try to make games with "the best graphics". Graphics are only a small part of what it is really about: Gameplay and Story. Sure graphics give you more appealing images to us, but fun gameplay is what really makes a game memorable. Even new gimmicks, like the Wii Remote and the Wii U GamePad, can make a system memorable and fun to play.

If anyone has to crash and burn, it should be Microsoft's Xbox series. Also quite possibly, Sony's Playstations. Convince me wrong, Kappa!

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Well, this has been an interesting topic.

Nintendo isn't going anywhere folks.

After the nuclear war, it'll be cockroaches playing Nintendo systems.

Oh, snap. +20 points.

Also, there is no way that while I am breathing the air of this earth that my children at that age would play Call of Duty. Defpally is right on the money on how all the parents I know think. Given, I may have a bias, because most of the parents I know come from my circle of "hardcore" gamers for life, and have an appreciation of games that hold real weight and value and present something more than the washed up same old same old bro games that seem to be the bread and butter of some.

I would also like to note that I am so glad not to have to be the grammar nazi to step in. That was about to drive me nuts. I actually got a little confused about what tones the picture was speaking.

Quote: DarkPr1nce

I would also like to note that I am so glad not to have to be the grammar nazi to step in. That was about to drive me nuts. I actually got a little confused about what tones the picture was speaking.

You know, I try to avoid going there - after all, there are kids here and a lot of them are just learning. No use to constantly beat them over the head with it - that's why they go to school. But, if you open the door and start giving me "parenting advice" on my kids and how they won't be cool or get teased based on arbitrary stupid stuff, you can bet I'm going to go there. Because unlike Kappa, I have real parenting experience. And I know for a fact that in the real world it is those that cannot write or spell effectively are the ones that suffer the most in life. Instead of worrying about which Call of Duty is the best or which console has "da bomb grafx", first learn how to operate at a level in which you aren't going to be considered mentally handicapped. If you are at an age in which you play Call of Duty, you should have already mastered basic literacy.

Quote: GamingMaster_76

Can you guys quit the console battle ^above^? all of the consoles have something to offer wether or not you realize it. And it's OK to have a preference. kappa has made it clear on here that he is a big Sony PURIST who won't acknowledge the positives of Nintendo's consoles and completely ignores Microsoft, so it is useless fighting him. P.S. THE NEXTBOX AND PS4 WILL BE UNDERPOWERED COMPARED TO WHAT GAMING BUILT PCS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PULL OFF. Good PCs- price and maintainence of which are constantly overexaggerated- play game ports more graphically capable than their console counterparts and the dedicated machines will just never catch up with them. Not to mention you don't need to buy new PCs unless you're really behind... Just update a couple of your parts and you're fine. PC gaming audience is also rising. Look at Steam. PC gaming will always be most powerful so if you are looking at what is most powerful as the only thing that will live just give up. KYM: PC Master Race

...and then the PC ELITIST entered the discussion. sorry to crush your disillusioned dreams, but the pc is no more the leading platform for gaming anymore. you can have all the powers you want, your master race will NOT be able to use it anyway.

Quote: defpally

Quote: DarkPr1nce

I would also like to note that I am so glad not to have to be the grammar nazi to step in. That was about to drive me nuts. I actually got a little confused about what tones the picture was speaking.

You know, I try to avoid going there - after all, there are kids here and a lot of them are just learning. No use to constantly beat them over the head with it - that's why they go to school. But, if you open the door and start giving me "parenting advice" on my kids and how they won't be cool or get teased based on arbitrary stupid stuff, you can bet I'm going to go there. Because unlike Kappa, I have real parenting experience. And I know for a fact that in the real world it is those that cannot write or spell effectively are the ones that suffer the most in life. Instead of worrying about which Call of Duty is the best or which console has "da bomb grafx", first learn how to operate at a level in which you aren't going to be considered mentally handicapped. If you are at an age in which you play Call of Duty, you should have already mastered basic literacy.

you join kids forums and bad mouthing kids about their typos, what a great parent you are. if anyone here is mentally handicapped it is definite you mister perfect parent.

Whoops my bad! Didn't mean to walk in during this discussion. I was lead to believe by the title this thread was about RDT. Carry on then.

Quote: kappapopm

...and then the PC ELITIST entered the discussion. sorry to crush your disillusioned dreams, but the pc is no more the leading platform for gaming anymore. you can have all the powers you want, your master race will NOT be able to use it anyway. butt hurt much?

OK kappa, to start with it is "delusional" no "disillusioned" - that's twice you have messed that up. The act of disillusioning is done by someone is "to destroy the ideals, illusions, or false ideas of". In other words you would disillusion his dreams, however if his dreams were clearly false and inventions of his imagination then his dreams would be "delusional". Also, sentences start with a capital letter. And he would have "power" not "powers".

And his post wasn't a defense of the PC, it was a statement of fact. Consoles are built to specifications at about the level of current PCs when they are released. PC specs continue to increase, yet consoles remain the same. A good PC will always be more powerful. That isn't being "butt hurt".

Given that you are clearly a Sony fan-boy that is heavily invested in their console, it is obvious your arguments come from a pre-determined conclusion for which you then look for evidence to support it. No wonder you cherry-pick 3 year old articles to support yourself. And due to that any logic or reason is beyond your capability to understand or digest. Everyone else in here has acknowledged the merits of all platforms, the only minor quibble was with the game availability of the Vita (which is a weakness), yet most people love the hardware. Your arguments are nothing more than weakly supported playground chest thumping.

It isn't a "kids" forum, Spyro is a 15 year old game. Unless you have been playing it since birth, being a fan of Spyro doesn't make you a "kid". I enjoy talking about Skylanders, me, my wife and my sons enjoy the games quite a bit. I come to this forum because I enjoy it in my spare time and honestly I grew out of caring what people thought of my hobbies when I turned 13.

By the way, if you are going to go with the "no, you are" defense, you should at least make an effort to sound intelligent:

Quote: kappapopm

you join kids forums and bad mouthing kids about their typos, what a great parent you are. if anyone here is mentally handicapped it is definite you mister perfect parent.

That says more about you than I ever could. Are you typing with your feet?

Kappa, .

But back to ROYAL DOUBLE TROUBLE!

Uncle says no retailer will touch the damn thing with a ten foot pol(ar whirlwind), but I'm buying it this weekend.

Quote: kappapopm

I WILL SHOW MY DAD THIS ABUSE OF YOURS. HE BENCH 200KG AT WORLD GYM, HE WILL NOT BE HAPPY. HE WILL KICK YOUR NERD ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111 YOU CREEPO HAVE IT COMING!!!!!!!!!!!111

LOL. Your definition of "creep" is basically "argues with me on the Internet", and your Dad makes a habit of finding random Internet people to "beat up"? Talk about your bad parenting. Maybe he should limit your time on Internet forums instead.

It is said that there is no winning on the Internet. But that is pure win. Bring it.

Kappa, shut up. Seriously.

I really do hope we get a single pack RDT! That would be excellent! I'd also like that silly little platinum treasure chest, actually. I'm thinking that maybe that gamestop mobile starter pack will go down at least one more time, though. So I'm holding out for that, I think. It reminds me of the Rock Band Stage Kit they put out a couple of years ago. That thing hit the market at $99+, and after none of them sold, Gamestop got a corporate memo to just get rid of them. I bought mine for $15 when it had been out for a year. Really good purchase, and totally worth the money. Maybe the same will happen in this case? I don't know if they'll last a whole year without being sold though. Might be a struggle to find a store that still has one by that point.

Yeah, this thread has been derailed so fa off of the tracks, it needs to be closed.