darkSpyro

I see this one come up often... and I thought I'd comment on it, since I do have a tiny bit of information that I think might be slightly related to the lack of an overseas release for Royal Double Trouble.

As we all know, RDT is included in the iOS Starter Pack, but only at GameStop and only in the US.

The iOS starter pack has been a *horrible* seller. Like, it's sold at levels not much more impressive than the PC version of Spyro's Adventure - and keep in mind, there was no PC version of Giants.

Here's the thing with exclusives - stores have to want them. They have to be willing to make compensation for getting them (could be cash, could be things like shelf displays, ad space, etc., etc.) - but they also have to be willing to order a minimum amount.

With the lackluster sales of the iOS bundle (seriously, GameStop has put a permanent markdown on it of 20% off.), I can see why any European retailer would be reluctant to devote the resources necessary for what is essentially a poor seller.

So, why not release RDT in another method overseas? Heck, for that matter, why not release him some other way here in the US?

My *guess* is simply because it's part of the agreement they made with GameStop. No one knew the iOS starter was going to perform so badly (if they did, they likely just wouldn't have released it). Activision probably thought anything with the Skylanders logo would sell, so they'd have no problem finding someone overseas willing to pick up the exclusive version of the iOS starter.

At this point, if they released RDT in a single pack or something, even if it didn't break part of the agreement with GameStop, I could see GameStop being upset. Even if it was only released overseas. GameStop is having a hard time moving all these exclusive bundles they own and a wide release of the only reason to buy the bundle would make it difficult to move the product. While GameStop is only one store, they're still a pretty big force in the gaming industry and Activision doesn't want to get on their bad side.

With all that said and done, it's quite possible we'll see RDT released in a different method - but, it mostly depends on the original agreement made with GameStop since it's unlikely any EU retailer will want to touch the iOS starter with a ten foot pole at this point.

(In the interest of full disclosure, as the topic title says, this is mostly pure speculation. I am not affiliated with Activision, Toys for Bob or GameStop and do not purport to have connections with any secret insider information regarding the GameStop version of the iOS starter kit.)

well, you see, i have been trying to do this for fun. design a RDT single pack. its going good, i just need the plastic bubble.

It would seem Gamestops best move would be to pull the packs and release RDT in a single pack as an exclusive agreement. But what do I know.

have they sold it for the psvita, it would have done good.. but noooo.. lets make a game for the casual mobile phone gamers... BIG MISTAKE.

at the moment we have headlines like this...

"PlayStation Vita Sells Over 62,000 Units in Japan"
http://www.playstationlifestyl...-the-price-cut/

and...

"Vita hardware outsells the 3DS"
http://www.vg247.com/2013/03/0...apanese-charts/

this is just the beginning.... now the idiots at acti can sit there with their beard in the postbox and containers with unsold games...

I seriously doubt a PSV version of Giants would have sold very well. The system doesn't have a lot of mega-hit sellers at this point.

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It would seem Gamestops best move would be to pull the packs and release RDT in a single pack as an exclusive agreement. But what do I know.

It's best to use Apple iTunes to sell this, not in a game pack. They would do well to realize the true value of their arrangement was in RDT and sell the figure in single pack like mad.

im talking about the iOS Starter Pack here with the 'Battlegrounds'... its perfect for the vita.

//forum.darkspyro.net/spyro/viewposts.php?topic=65648

Releasing Vita ports of the iOS games?

Vita is only selling well due to the price cut. Price cuts doesn't equal a ton of games to choose from on the Vita. People are only buying because of price. The Vita - and I say this as a Vita owner - has a pathetic game library for a system that's been on the market for over a year now. There's no excuse to only have 6 good games on the system... by my buying standards.

It goes to show how us humans can be so stupid at times. We truly have more money than sense. People will buy crap, because said crap is cheap. However, they will sit on said crap and have nothing to show for it, because said crap doesn't offer much to choose from. In this case, crap = Vita.

I had a vita.... I sold it. When I play games I want to play on a big tv. Don't get me wrong the vita system has a nice screen, but as GM78 pointed out the game library sucks.

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Vita is only selling well due to the price cut. Price cuts doesn't equal a ton of games to choose from on the Vita. People are only buying because of price. The Vita - and I say this as a Vita owner - has a pathetic game library for a system that's been on the market for over a year now. There's no excuse to only have 6 good games on the system... by my buying standards.

It goes to show how us humans can be so stupid at times. We truly have more money than sense. People will buy crap, because said crap is cheap. However, they will sit on said crap and have nothing to show for it, because said crap doesn't offer much to choose from. In this case, crap = Vita.

if the games not your taste, that is okay. but it done make the vita crap...

It was a good idea for a tablet game but not a $50 set. Is the portal nice to have? Sure but it only really gets used for Lost Islands cause I'm lazy & hate typing in codes [initially when I started I had 50+ to use]. We only have the starter cause my husband surprised me with it as a Christmas gift. Made my nephew happy though cause he got our extra Jet Vac.

There's no reason to bash the Vita when it's six months from fully eclipsing the Wii U touchpad in every conceivable way possible. Sure, it started out rough, but Sony has bigger plans for this thing than what we've seen to this point. It's already a far better value than the 3DS through PS Plus support alone. The idea that sales figures somehow determine the value of a device is completely preposterous. If a company is behind their product, they can make it good, and Sony is fully behind the Vita.

EDIT: And yeah, UncleBob is probably right about why Royal DT has yet to migrate overseas, although I'm not so sure that this should be preventing a release through EBGames. Especially since the two outlets are subsidiaries of the same parent company, so what difference would that make?

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have they sold it for the psvita, it would have done good.. but noooo.. lets make a game for the casual mobile phone gamers... BIG MISTAKE.

at the moment we have headlines like this...

"PlayStation Vita Sells Over 62,000 Units in Japan"
http://www.playstationlifestyl...-the-price-cut/

and...

"Vita hardware outsells the 3DS"
http://www.vg247.com/2013/03/0...apanese-charts/

this is just the beginning.... now the idiots at acti can sit there with their beard in the postbox and containers with unsold games...

Umm that second link shows the 3DS outselling the Vita. Can't read?

I own the best games on Vita, Kappa. After 1 year on the market, the 3DS gave me more to buy and choose from. Tell me how many great Vita games are coming to the US this year?

Now, take in mind that I have participated in every system launch since the SNES. Only the Dreamcast and Wii U gave me a lot to choose from in such short time.

In my eyes, any given system only giving someone 6 games in a year is pathetic. I am constantly buying games. 360 and PS3 don't have the issue Vita has, because of the multiplat games. However, Vita and 3DS have to rely on exclusives to help sell systems. 3DS, again, has Vita beat. Heck, Tuesday alone, I bought the new Castlevania on 3DS. That's a title that isn't appearing on Vita apparently, which means there's yet another game the Vita lacks.

I will pick up the Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 Plus, but that will be game number 7 for a system I've owned for over a year now. What else is coming, and how long of a wait do we Vita owners have? Will it even be a good game?

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have they sold it for the psvita, it would have done good.. but noooo.. lets make a game for the casual mobile phone gamers... BIG MISTAKE.

at the moment we have headlines like this...

"PlayStation Vita Sells Over 62,000 Units in Japan"
http://www.playstationlifestyl...-the-price-cut/

and...

"Vita hardware outsells the 3DS"
http://www.vg247.com/2013/03/0...apanese-charts/

this is just the beginning.... now the idiots at acti can sit there with their beard in the postbox and containers with unsold games...

Umm that second link shows the 3DS outselling the Vita. Can't read?

PlayStation Vita – 62,543
3DS LL – 50,265


put on glasses next time....

Had a Vita. Sold it.

As for the OP, ya that's a possible reason. Still, 20% for RDT and the Bluetooth portal and the $7 (is it that much?) game sounds pretty solid to me. I got mine at launch.

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I own the best games on Vita, Kappa. After 1 year on the market, the 3DS gave me more to buy and choose from. Tell me how many great Vita games are coming to the US this year?

Now, take in mind that I have participated in every system launch since the SNES. Only the Dreamcast and Wii U gave me a lot to choose from in such short time.

In my eyes, any given system only giving someone 6 games in a year is pathetic. I am constantly buying games. 360 and PS3 don't have the issue Vita has, because of the multiplat games. However, Vita and 3DS have to rely on exclusives to help sell systems. 3DS, again, has Vita beat. Heck, Tuesday alone, I bought the new Castlevania on 3DS. That's a title that isn't appearing on Vita apparently, which means there's yet another game the Vita lacks.

I will pick up the Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 Plus, but that will be game number 7 for a system I've owned for over a year now. What else is coming, and how long of a wait do we Vita owners have? Will it even be a good game?

no games?...

look here is a few of'em...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...tion_Vita_games

and more is coming.

Maybe gamestop will get to release it as a solo character that they will only have. I doubt will see much till the ios version is cleared out of stores.

Personally, I love my Vita. Just through cross-saves of Sly Cooper alone, I've gotten more value out of it than the 3DS this year. And that's not counting the free downloads of Uncharted, Gravity Rush, Ninja Gaiden, and this month, Disgaea 3. Then there are all the freebie PSP games and PS1 classics to consider. I've never purchased a single game for the system over the counter, but thanks to PS Plus, I've got a whole collection of them anyway. It's possible to argue which system has better exclusives, but personally, I'd rather just keep playing games for free and let you guys spend hundreds to say your 3DS is better.

Which is not to say I don't like our 3DS too, but to be frank, I've spent more time playing Ambassador Program games than anything developed for the system. And that includes Skylanders.

We're seriously straying off-topic, though. The OP clearly didn't make this post so we could debate PS Vita versus 3DS. That debate is a matter of opinion anyway, and it largely comes down to whether you want value or volume and not any qualities that seriously make either system objectively better. Console fanboyism is dead, just like what you like.

I've been a part of every launch since N64, and I have to say as an avid gamer (with a collection in the thousands of games) and moreso an avid handheld gamer, I like to give everything a fair chance. I buy games that look fun to me, sometimes regardless of how the reviews look. I've been burned before by not paying attention to reviews, but more often than not, that's not the case. Now, seeing all the reviews for the Vita, I decided to try this system out. It seemed like a great technological advancement for Sony and for handheld gaming as a whole. That being said, I owned my Vita for exactly four weeks before I handed it back in. There are no games, and even if there were, they'd be nothing that interested me. Uncharted was the only game I kind of enjoyed, and it made me feel like I was cheating, not offering me something new. The promise of incorporating it more into the PS4 and making more AAA titles is nothing but posturing and will never come to real fruition. The system is just not good, and no amount of fanboyism is going to save it. The thumbsticks are terrible, the back panel is a badly implemented bad idea, and it's just too PSP to be saved. This is the only system I've ever returned, and based on my decades of experience in the gaming world, it is my opinion that the PS Vita will die a long, slow, painful death, and Sony better be incredibly glad that the PS4 looks as good as it does, because if not, they would be exiting the gaming industry by 2015.

/endrant

That's funny, I was going to say the same regarding Nintendo...they've had some interesting mis-steps and they aren't in the best financial shape either.

PS Vita has been intriguing to me. I want to like it. Want to have a reason to buy it. But I just don't. The PSP was underdeveloped and failed as a hardware...then they made a PSP phone...and various "fixes" to the system. I owned the original and the thumbstick sucked. Had a decent game library and I felt it could have been more popular.

Vita just felt like a gimmick and honestly...game developers don't want to sink dollars into a portable system that is a small market to them. Their return on their investment into a game isn't worth it.

As for what IGN considers to be the best games of the Vita...seems there is about 15-20 decent games out for it.

http://www.ign.com/games/revie...r=desc&time=12m

I'd say it's Nintendo that's on the way out of the gaming industry, if any company is leaving. Wii U is horribly under-performing, and something drastic needs to happen for it to exist as anything but an afterthought when Sony and Microsoft up their game to the real next generation. PS4 sounds more exciting in one paragraph than Wii U has been after four months of literally owning the thing, and if their big game this year is seriously just a remix of the Wind Waker, we're looking at a company in a complete tailspin. A company that's probably already realized that they're destined to go the same route as Sega; a third-party, multi-platform manufacturer. Calling it right now, expect to play the sequel to the next Mario game on X720 and PS4. Nintendo will keep making handhelds, but that's the only thing they're even remotely successful with in literally the last five years at this point.

Then again, Xbox could still screw things up and be the odd man out if they are serious about sandbagging the used games market. But that would just be crazy. Surely they know that used games move consoles, and the time to phase them out is mid-way through the next generation rather than at its outset. All these PR rumblings are probably just them testing the waters to see if now is the time, and evidently, it's not.

Nintendo has nothing to fear, I can personally swear that. They have so much money coming in from various avenues, that they could stay afloat based on handheld sales alone. For the forseeable future, they got the handheld console market locked down. They simply need to release new Marios, Zeldas, and Pokemons and bam, instant money.

Everyone keeps pulling this when it comes to Nintendo -

http://www.vgmemes.com/wp-cont...tendo-cycle.png

But it never happens. Nintendo isn't exiting the console race. The Wii U is outselling the 360 and PS3 in the same months after their release, while also staying just shy of what Wii was selling during its months of release.

I think why everyone predicts doom and gloom with Nintendo, is because all of these 3rd party FPS games aren't making it to Wii U like they are 360/PS3. Games like Bioshock Infinite and such. Even a game like Tomb Raider isn't supposedly coming to Wii U. However, people forget the Wii sold like crazy, despite the lack of 3rd party support. It sold based on casual games and quality exclusives like Xenoblade, Mario Galaxy, and Zelda.

All Nintendo really has to do, is start pumping out Wii Fit, Sports, etc, and then start up the commercials, and the casuals would be back. At the same time, they need to focus on the core gamer more than they did with Wii.

Nintendo isn't going SEGA on us.

I still think Nintendo is going Sega on us. I've been with them since NES, and even saw them through the GameCube era when everyone else was predicting doom. But to launch a console with half the power of PS4 and X720 and none of the cool features of either is just a suicidal business strategy. They've got the handheld market locked down, but consoles just aren't their thing anymore. Wii U is a sinking ship, the competition has seen their tablet and raised them even more impressive gadgetry, and when the next generation of tablets have graphic processors and RAM just as powerful as the Wii U, the only reason to own a console will be for the powerhouses that Sony and Microsoft are bringing to the table. Nintendo may be oozing money, but they're a business, and if it ever becomes apparent that they would ooze far more money exiting the console market and becoming Sega, I'm sure they'll consider it.

The casuals are going tablet, and the core gamers already know that the Wii U will never be able to meet their power and storage needs the way a PC or X720/PS4 can. What market is going to be left for Nintendo?

I am with you on the Wii U. I think it's nothing special. More gimmicks and a lot of games that don't get me excited. I've said for ages how Nintendo has a franchise that would make a heck of a lot more money cross platform. They can still control the games they produce, but having to have your own hardware is just pointless. Focus on games and less on that and they'll be successful. They have too much pride.

And as for games. How is it there hasn't been an ultimately amazing Pokemon game that meets the graphical standards of today. X&Y looks good, but not groundbreaking. I just think there is a lot of gaming missed opportunities for Nintendo and so much pride in them. I guess they have to be stomped out before they go the way of Sega.

Xbox is too smart to alienate the used game market. I could see fees to use a used game being tied to it....similar to how EA does. But I don't think that's Microsoft's problem to deal with. Let game companies decide that.

I still see the next console war going Microsoft, Sony (neck and neck) and Nintendo throwing in the towel by the 4-6 month mark of the PS4/Xbox720 launches. I see Ouya actually performing well and all the new Steam hardware. It won't be up to caliber with the Wii U, in terms of sales, but I see those groups getting a following and I would play the Ouya over the Vita for sure.

I know we're off topic a bit, but thought I'd share my thoughts.

As for Royal Double Trouble, they should do a relaunch of him in the series 2 pose and make it an Amazon exclusive. Would be the smartest thing they could do.

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Nintendo has nothing to fear, I can personally swear that. They have so much money coming in from various avenues, that they could stay afloat based on handheld sales alone. For the forseeable future, they got the handheld console market locked down. They simply need to release new Marios, Zeldas, and Pokemons and bam, instant money.

Everyone keeps pulling this when it comes to Nintendo -

http://www.vgmemes.com/wp-cont...tendo-cycle.png

But it never happens. Nintendo isn't exiting the console race. The Wii U is outselling the 360 and PS3 in the same months after their release, while also staying just shy of what Wii was selling during its months of release.

I think why everyone predicts doom and gloom with Nintendo, is because all of these 3rd party FPS games aren't making it to Wii U like they are 360/PS3. Games like Bioshock Infinite and such. Even a game like Tomb Raider isn't supposedly coming to Wii U. However, people forget the Wii sold like crazy, despite the lack of 3rd party support. It sold based on casual games and quality exclusives like Xenoblade, Mario Galaxy, and Zelda.

All Nintendo really has to do, is start pumping out Wii Fit, Sports, etc, and then start up the commercials, and the casuals would be back. At the same time, they need to focus on the core gamer more than they did with Wii.

Nintendo isn't going SEGA on us.

THIS. Anyone thinking Nintendo's making an exit to third party development needs to come back to reality. There is too much value there, and the other guys just wish they had that kind of staying power. Need proof? Fire up Smash Brothers, and then fire up Playstation All-Stars.

Nice theories, but they have no relation to anything history has taught us. People love to talk about how under-powered hardware doesn't stand a chance - but the Wii sold like crazy and it was "two Gamecubes taped together", the DS was "an under-powered gimmick compared to the PSP" and the 3DS is "an under-powered gimmick compared to the Vita". Take Kotaku for example, last eyar they had the 3DS already dead and buried - this year they call it the best system out there (a bit overstated, but yeah). Nintendo isn't going anywhere.

Sega is a completely different story, because they made a string of really, really bad decisions starting with the 32x and culminating with the Dreamcast. They brought in leaders with completely different styles, then got rid of them before it could bear fruit. And their Japan division treated the US division like a red-headed step child. Sega also didn't have the money in the bank Nintendo does, nor a history of always being profitable. And their license stable was already severely damaged by their largest property (Sonic) having been damaged by several bad games, and their promising new properties not turning out as good as hoped.

Oh, and if you are betting on Sony over Nintendo, you might want to look at the non-video game divisions. They have been bleeding money for years and still losing market share to LG/Samsung. The PS4 could literally deliver pleasure directly to the brain and they will still fail if they don't figure out a way to fix their overall business model.

It's not just a lack of power, it's a lack of innovation. Innovation is what snares casuals, and it's why the Wii was able to succeed just with a silly motion controller and a bit of heart on the side. PS4 and X720 are more powerful, yes, and it will keep core gamers in their pockets just as they were this generation, but they're more innovative as well. They offer better, more compelling three and four-dimensional gaming opportunities than the Wii, which has largely abandoned its bread and butter (motion control) for the tablet design that its competitors are ready, willing, and able to exceed.

Nintendo caught Sony and Microsoft asleep at the wheel last gen, when the two objectively superior consoles lost track of the fact that casuals play games too. Back then, tablets weren't a thing, and iPods offered incomplete and worthless games for the most part. Nobody is making that mistake again. The new consoles have power and innovation, and Apple is rapidly closing the gap with regards to tablet power vs. Nintendo. Wii U doesn't have a niche to fit in. Nintendo may weather the storm and produce a successor to the console, but they'll launch that in just two or three years if they're going to do it. I'm still calling the company as the next Sega, but it's not impossible that they abandon their failures and make something that can keep up.

Everyone's been saying Nintendo's been doomed since 1889.

They're fine. Wii U is definitely doing better than N64 and Gamecube did, and those systems didn't put Nintendo in the gutter.

Once Smash, Zelda, Mario, and others come out, it will be a case of the Nintendo Cycle... yet again.

i had a friend that got the wii-u, he had it for a month and then sold it. there was just no games for it. i was also over to his house weekly and testing the wii-u, we both agreed the wii-u was the worst thing nintendo have ever released. it have nothing to offer and it is so slow in just everything it does. my six year old ps3 is much better and faster in everything. when Tashiji says nintendo will go the way sega does i believe him.

there is also a big problem with the wii-u in japan at the moment.. read...
http://kotaku.com/5989096/unex...pdates-in-japan

I get all that def, but when it comes down to it. More and more people are stopping their purchasing of Wii U. It isn't flying off shelves. I don't see people clamoring over it like they did the Wii. The Wii by the way is great from an innovation standpoint of the whole controller. Wii U...is not going to revolutionize gaming. I won't be purchasing one at that price point and I likely never will. This is the first time I can say I don't know many people who have run out to get it. Most people just continue to play their PS3 and 360 and will happily wait for a price drop while it continues to under perform.

They are selling Wii for what...100 bucks now? I had a Wii and I had over 100 games for it and I still never found a reason to play it beyond the Zelda and Mario games and the random gaming party with friends. But my 360 gets played daily and even my PS3 sees more love. I do own a 3DS and I now wish I had a XL as my hands cramp holding the damn thing...not to mention the battery life sucks on it.

Just because a company is profitable doesn't mean they couldn't be MORE profitable if they cut their hardware ties altogether. How much are they making on sales of their hardware right now?

Answers:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/...-u-launch-unit/

If you took all that money invested developing systems, you could invest it into your game content and leave the hardware up to the 2 tech giants in Microsoft and Sony. There is no shame in that. I would love to see 1 unified system that played everything. But too much ego is involved.

One of the 3 companies will succumb to this eventually. I don't think it'll be Microsoft or Sony...

I don't have a dog in this fight as I don't really care what system I use or play. However, keep in mind that when the 360 and the PS3 came out the economy was different back then. If Sony or Microsoft drop a system with a 500-700 price tag on it at launch, it will make it harder to sell. Yes, you will still have your fanboys go and buy each system, however most people will sit out until it drops in price and more people can afford it.

Yes, but the WiiU does the controller screen thing first and included in the package. One thing people seem to completely forget is the primary driver of the success of a console isn't us dedicated gamers. It's the parents that buy it for little Johnny and the bro gamer that buys Madden and Call of Duty every year. Sony and MS may have the second group locked down, but Nintendo owns the first. Nintendo is so ingrained in parents that it is like Q-Tip and Kleenex, every game system is a "Nintendo". When they buy a system they want it done and they want to get Mario for the kids (because that is always a safe buy for kids). They don't care how many pixel shaders it has, or that you can connect your Surface to it to make it just like the WiiU. Don't confuse your logic with market logic, because what makes sense to you and me as gamers almost never lines up with how the market works.

You are dreaming if you think they will lose out anytime soon. And if history has taught us anything, their E3 will be rife with Donkey Kong, Mario and Zelda and everything will be fine. Maybe they don't win out this generation, but they aren't going anywhere.

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Everyone's been saying Nintendo's been doomed since 1889.

They're fine. Wii U is definitely doing better than N64 and Gamecube did, and those systems didn't put Nintendo in the gutter.

Once Smash, Zelda, Mario, and others come out, it will be a case of the Nintendo Cycle... yet again.

But when Skyward Sword came out, it couldn't compete, and didn't do well. I'm not sure that younger gamers hold the same fondness for Zelda that you and I do. They like games like Uncharted, and who could blame them? If I were a kid right now, I'd like that too. Same with Mario really... Galaxy 2 didn't exactly take the world by storm. Smash is another matter, but Sakurai is talking about making it an experience that can be played one-handed, and I'm not even sure they have a handle on the project anymore. The games would not only have to be good, they'd have to defy the pattern of lazy and uninspired releases we saw in their last iterations and offer an experience that's as good as Sony and Microsoft's offerings. They never had a problem with that before, but they do now. People don't just buy on name recognition.

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i had a friend that got the wii-u, he had it for a month and then sold it. there was just no games for it. i was also over to his house weekly and testing the wii-u, we both agreed the wii-u was the worst thing nintendo have ever released. it have nothing to offer and it is so slow in just everything it does. my six year old ps3 is much better and faster in everything. when Tashiji says nintendo will go the way sega does i believe him.

there is also a big problem with the wii-u in japan at the moment.. read...
http://kotaku.com/5989096/unex...pdates-in-japan

I had a Sony Vita for six month then sold it. There just were no games for it. Sony is doomed?

Sony Network was DOWN for over a month a while back. Like NO online for anything at all, period. Nintendo has a firmware update hiccup and it is catastrophic?

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Vita is only selling well due to the price cut. Price cuts doesn't equal a ton of games to choose from on the Vita. People are only buying because of price. The Vita - and I say this as a Vita owner - has a pathetic game library for a system that's been on the market for over a year now. There's no excuse to only have 6 good games on the system... by my buying standards.

It goes to show how us humans can be so stupid at times. We truly have more money than sense. People will buy crap, because said crap is cheap. However, they will sit on said crap and have nothing to show for it, because said crap doesn't offer much to choose from. In this case, crap = Vita.

if the games not your taste, that is okay. but it done make the vita crap...

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i had a friend that got the wii-u, he had it for a month and then sold it. there was just no games for it. i was also over to his house weekly and testing the wii-u, we both agreed the wii-u was the worst thing nintendo have ever released. it have nothing to offer and it is so slow in just everything it does. my six year old ps3 is much better and faster in everything. when Tashiji says nintendo will go the way sega does i believe him.

there is also a big problem with the wii-u in japan at the moment.. read...
http://kotaku.com/5989096/unex...pdates-in-japan

Hmmmmm.... So the games don't make the system crap?

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Nintendo has nothing to fear, I can personally swear that. They have so much money coming in from various avenues, that they could stay afloat based on handheld sales alone. For the forseeable future, they got the handheld console market locked down. They simply need to release new Marios, Zeldas, and Pokemons and bam, instant money.

Everyone keeps pulling this when it comes to Nintendo -

http://www.vgmemes.com/wp-cont...tendo-cycle.png

But it never happens. Nintendo isn't exiting the console race. The Wii U is outselling the 360 and PS3 in the same months after their release, while also staying just shy of what Wii was selling during its months of release.

I think why everyone predicts doom and gloom with Nintendo, is because all of these 3rd party FPS games aren't making it to Wii U like they are 360/PS3. Games like Bioshock Infinite and such. Even a game like Tomb Raider isn't supposedly coming to Wii U. However, people forget the Wii sold like crazy, despite the lack of 3rd party support. It sold based on casual games and quality exclusives like Xenoblade, Mario Galaxy, and Zelda.

All Nintendo really has to do, is start pumping out Wii Fit, Sports, etc, and then start up the commercials, and the casuals would be back. At the same time, they need to focus on the core gamer more than they did with Wii.

Nintendo isn't going SEGA on us.

THIS. Anyone thinking Nintendo's making an exit to third party development needs to come back to reality. There is too much value there, and the other guys just wish they had that kind of staying power. Need proof? Fire up Smash Brothers, and then fire up Playstation All-Stars.

they are half way there already so it is you that should wake up..... nintendo haven't released a new ip in years, it have been making remakes or rehashing older games for a very long time now. they have also released underpowered old tech consoles that just cant compete with what was of yesterday gen.

latest from nintendo is wii-mini.... what is a waste of money for the company... it just shows nintendo is in a downfall and that fast.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/02/2...e-is-pointless/

Let's be honest here guys.... the whole industry has been in funk the last couple of years. You could point out why each system has it's flaws. No one is perfect this topic could go on for over 100 pages, siting this source or that source or this person or that thing or my uncle said this and no one would be in agreement.

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Let's be honest here guys.... the whole industry has been in funk the last couple of years. You could point out why each system has it's flaws. No one is perfect this topic could go on for over 100 pages, siting this source or that source or this person or that thing or my uncle said this and no one would be in agreement.

Yeah, this. I'm out.

Personally, I think RDT isn't coming to Europe because he just hasn't been shipped there yet. I'd bet dollars to donuts he does show up.

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they are half way there already so it is you that should wake up..... nintendo haven't released a new ip in years, it have been making remakes or rehashing older games for a very long time now. they have also released underpowered old tech consoles that just cant compete with what was of yesterday gen.

latest from nintendo is wii-mini.... what is a waste of money for the company... it just shows nintendo is in a downfall and that fast.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/02/2...e-is-pointless/

I agree this console fanboy crap has no resolution. I have a PS3, 360 and WiiU. I like them all. I was less arguing which is better than just pointing out the Nintendo is doomed is flawed logic based on dreaming.

But, I would point out that this comment is an indication that the logic seems to be based on fragmented pieces of news pieced together to form the completely wrong impression. A bug with firmware updating is not evidence of failure. Releasing a stripped down version of a console to certain regions (not the US) isn't evidence of giving up on a console.

Gamemaster was right about this, people have been predicting Nintendo's failure for YEARS. Every time a new console comes out it happens. It even happened back when the SNES came out, the Genesis fans predicted how it was doomed due to slowdown in shooters like Gradius 3 (system is under-powered, yo) and the lack of new games (only 10 or so prior to Xmas in 1991). They have had exactly ONE true failure, the Virtual Boy - and that was DOA before it even released. Not every console has been gangbusters success, but Nintendo doesn't sell hardware at huge losses (like MS and Sony) - so they can withstand a slow start easily.

I really don't want Nintendo to be doomed. I have a Wii U that I'd like to be able to continue to play for at least the usual healthy lifespan of a console. I just don't see this console being the right product for 2013, and whether that folds the company or just rushes out a successor will be up to time alone to tell.

And I really would consider the GameCube an abject failure. It was so bad that it allowed Microsoft and their console that no one wanted to develop a steady foothold as the #2 company that generation. Virtual Boy was worse, but GC was awful enough to allow Xbox to become a thing.

here one more that indicate nintendo is in free fall...

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Miyamoto trying to prep the rest of Nintendo for his retirement.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/03/0...his-retirement/

nintendo will be like headless chicken with out their miyamoto because they tremendously leans on his guidance... if you guys take of your nintendo fanboys glasses for a second you will see this will not end good.

I think what it comes down to is as consumers a lot of us can't figure out why they keep torturing themselves by putting out mediocre consoles and rely on an old stable of characters and never create anything completely new.

I know that Nintendo will never likely fold. I don't want them to. They are that team in sports that just never can make it to the top, but they'll keep trying each time. Why? Because they HAVE to. Nintendo is worth about 18 billion and Sony is worth about 81 billion. Microsoft is worth about 262 or something like that. Rough figures. Point is...none of them will fold. It's more about having the pride that Nintendo does. They refuse to do the right thing.

I guess I always wonder if they'd be successful or more successful as game developers alone.

My thinking is they would. But for now it's just rehashes of the old stuff. Granted it's entertaining and well done. But it's nothing that will change the world for me in terms of my gaming experience. If I want a game like Destiny. I don't think I'd be going to Nintendo for it. I can assure you.

I grew up on 8-bit Nintendo and love them as a company. Wish they'd just man up and quit with the consoles already. It's not their strong suit.

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here one more that indicate nintendo is in free fall...

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Miyamoto trying to prep the rest of Nintendo for his retirement.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/03/0...his-retirement/

nintendo will be like headless chicken with out their miyamoto because they tremendously leans on his guidance... if you guys take of your nintendo fanboys glasses for a second you will see this will not end good.

Because Miyamoto is the only talented person they have? Amazing how many games he personally designs and codes, eh? He has been diminishing his role in games for years, prepping successors for this.

Again you are grasping at straws here.

horribly off topic here. lemme review the subjects you've been talking about:

RDT > ps vita giants > 3ds vs ps vita > console war.

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I really don't want Nintendo to be doomed. I have a Wii U that I'd like to be able to continue to play for at least the usual healthy lifespan of a console. I just don't see this console being the right product for 2013, and whether that folds the company or just rushes out a successor will be up to time alone to tell.

And I really would consider the GameCube an abject failure. It was so bad that it allowed Microsoft and their console that no one wanted to develop a steady foothold as the #2 company that generation. Virtual Boy was worse, but GC was awful enough to allow Xbox to become a thing.

Microsoft's money allowed Microsoft to get a foothold. The original XBox was never profitable for MS, they simply bought their way into the market. The Gamecube wasn't a huge success, but it was a massive money hole like the XBox was for MS. Nintendo made money on Gamecube from Day 1, the XBox cost money for every console sold.

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I really don't want Nintendo to be doomed. I have a Wii U that I'd like to be able to continue to play for at least the usual healthy lifespan of a console. I just don't see this console being the right product for 2013, and whether that folds the company or just rushes out a successor will be up to time alone to tell.

And I really would consider the GameCube an abject failure. It was so bad that it allowed Microsoft and their console that no one wanted to develop a steady foothold as the #2 company that generation. Virtual Boy was worse, but GC was awful enough to allow Xbox to become a thing.

Microsoft's money allowed Microsoft to get a foothold. The original XBox was never profitable for MS, they simply bought their way into the market. The Gamecube wasn't a huge success, but it was a massive money hole like the XBox was for MS. Nintendo made money on Gamecube from Day 1, the XBox cost money for every console sold.

This thread is like a car accident just can't stop looking at it...

This could have changed recently however, most consoles don't make money on the actual sale of the consoles. It is the extra stuff you buy and Sony, MS, and Nintendo make money from the licenses they sell to companies. Now, again I could be wrong as it could have changed but I know it used to be that way.

Yeah it changed recently. Sony, MS and Sega back in the day never made a profit on Day 1. Nintendo, on the other hand always made a profit on Day 1 up until the WiiU. But, on the WiiU it is so slim they have stated they only have to sell ONE game to turn that into a profit.

Nintendo is also known for their significant amount of money in the bank. They can survive for a very long time on meager income. They have only recently had their first non-profitable quarter. They have always been as close to a sure thing as you can get, even in the Gamecube days.

Sony is extremely extended right now. Their problems have less to do with their games division and more to do with their other electronics and inept management. If they fail it will have nothing do do with anything named "Playstation".

And of course, Microsoft is healthy, as always. They could keep their games division afloat for years on Windows/Office profits. It's pretty well know that the first XBox was a huge money sink for them that they simply decided to brute force their way into.