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It's also where his offense and speed come out. Anyone who is good enough to get in close range can mangle him like the Greasers pounding CatDog.

he belongs in C tier, tops.

Keep him where he is.

How are S2 pyromancer, eye brawler, and barbarous avenger in S teir?

I dunno about Pyromancer S2 (don't have him yet), but I can better explain the other 2.

Eye Brawler's new combos are very awesome and do like 76 damagen with the eye shot, even his spinning combo is good (most of the 360 spins are pretty bad). Beats an Eye Patch gives him High Armor which is always a perk, which is really good because of his Extremely high HP so he's hard to hit.



The only problem with Eye-Brawler is that the damage for the punches only increases by 4 points, much like Ignitor's crappy Blademaster path (damage for the sword only increases by 12) or Jet-Vac's Bird Blaster path.

Swarm is pretty much the fastest Giant because he can fly and his razor wings continuously damage your enemy, it helps with the Soul Gem Butt Stinger by adding extra damage. The maximum damage only increases by 5, but it helps with both Long Range and close range considering how high and fast the damage is. Although, I think his best attack is the Stinger Shot that makes the cool X and does 65 damage fast, doesn't matter what path.

He's the King... of the sting.....

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I dunno about Pyromancer S2 (don't have him yet), but I can better explain the other 2.

Eye Brawler's new combos are very awesome and do like 76 damagen with the eye shot, even his spinning combo is good (most of the 360 spins are pretty bad). Beats an Eye Patch gives him High Armor which is always a perk, which is really good because of his Extremely high HP so he's hard to hit.

The only problem with Eye-Brawler is that the damage for the punches only increases by 4 points, much like Ignitor's crappy Blademaster path (damage for the sword only increases by 12) or Jet-Vac's Bird Blaster path.

Swarm is pretty much the fastest Giant because he can fly and his razor wings continuously damage your enemy, it helps with the Soul Gem Butt Stinger by adding extra damage. The maximum damage only increases by 5, but it helps with both Long Range and close range considering how high and fast the damage is. Although, I think his best attack is the Stinger Shot that makes the cool X and does 65 damage fast, doesn't matter what path.

He's the King... of the sting.....

I haven't tried out eye brawler, but eye for an eye seems like the better path to me, just a thought, I remember watching wdrumz's video when THUMPY and eye brawl battled and his roommate commented about how bad he is in close combat

^ Eye for an Eye is definitely better, but that doesn't mean they can't exist together. Terrafin set the precedent for that when both Brawler and Sandhog were placed at the top. Regardless of Sandhog's superiority, they are both clearly above what A-tier can muster as a counter, so they wound up sharing space in S. Eye Brawler is there because his remote eye is still effective, just like Brawler's burrowing, and up close the combos are deadly. It doesn't matter that he's weaker overall than Eye for an Eye.

Not saying they can't exist together, I would like to try out the path, but I have heroic challenges my eye brawl already, guess Im not resetting him

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^ Eye for an Eye is definitely better, but that doesn't mean they can't exist together. Terrafin set the precedent for that when both Brawler and Sandhog were placed at the top. Regardless of Sandhog's superiority, they are both clearly above what A-tier can muster as a counter, so they wound up sharing space in S. Eye Brawler is there because his remote eye is still effective, just like Brawler's burrowing, and up close the combos are deadly. It doesn't matter that he's weaker overall than Eye for an Eye.

I would imagine Eye brawler fairing better against Terrafin than Eye for an Eye would., but I do give the slight edge to eye for an eye.

Hi! I recently joined darkspyro so I can input my opinions. I don't do a lot of PvP, but I do sometimes. If you need any help, just ask me! Also, how do you do Cynder in your signature? All I get is that Mosquito looking thing...

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Call me crazy but I think I would recommend moving S2 Harpooner to B tier, although it's still highly inferior to Water Weaver (That path is a borderline between A and B IMO).

His Anchor Cannon does more damage on this path than it does on Water Weaver, 56 damage baby! With the Wow Pow, it makes it easier for you to hit your opponent with the Cannon and you can even TRIPLE the damage by hitting him/her with all 3 anchors for 168 damage when you're both close to each otehr, kind of like Soul of the Flame Ignitor. There are barely any Life guys in C where he is now, and quite a few amount of Fire guys who'll get there butts handed to him. A lot of the C tiers are also kinda slow compared to him because of his jet pack, although it has poor controls (it only faces in one direction unless you shoot the harpoons) and doesn't last long.

He would be an A, but because of the regular harpoon damage and his extremely low armor he can't be. Feel free to disagree if you want, but this PvP fight I did better shows the 168 damage trick (Although my opponent isn't as good as me, she did put up a good fight in the first battle), it also has badass music from other video games!

SO about my harpooner S2 request... can we continue this again?

Also, I got Thumpback and Eye Brawl recently and I can so confirm that they do NOT need their own god tier and X-treme is being totally biased (no offense). They are both awesome but still flawed in some ways.

Thumpback is cool, but his anchor attack is sooooo slow and doesn't have a lot of DPS. You can easily avoid his anchor if you're fast and get in to his face and pound him in close range. Even though he still has the bite attack, it too strikes slowly and lacks DPS of Stump Smash's Auto Nuts and Double Trouble's Eldritch Beam (he also got annihilated by Double Trouble, though barely). His belly slide is also hard to land because of it's poor control, it's not a good idea to use it around obstacles or inclines. Only good for flat plateaus.

He got beaten by Double Trouble (barely), Stump Smash, Stealth Elf, Treefolk Charger Tree Rex, and even S2 Gill Grunt on Harpooner.

I personally find Eye Brawl the stronger of the 2, but even he's not good enough for a God tier either. Even when the eye is flying and shooting lasers, the headless giant will still get hurt from opponent attacks. YEs I'm well aware thatn he still punches without the eye, but much like Thumpy's anchor, the punches strike very slowly
and they only do 12 damage, I was kinda disappointed in that. It's better than Robot Rocketeer Bouncer, but worse than Soul of the Flame Ignitor (not as a whole character, but the path itself).

Eye only see bias in him.

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Call me crazy but I think I would recommend moving S2 Harpooner to B tier, although it's still highly inferior to Water Weaver (That path is a borderline between A and B IMO).

His Anchor Cannon does more damage on this path than it does on Water Weaver, 56 damage baby! With the Wow Pow, it makes it easier for you to hit your opponent with the Cannon and you can even TRIPLE the damage by hitting him/her with all 3 anchors for 168 damage when you're both close to each otehr, kind of like Soul of the Flame Ignitor. There are barely any Life guys in C where he is now, and quite a few amount of Fire guys who'll get there butts handed to him. A lot of the C tiers are also kinda slow compared to him because of his jet pack, although it has poor controls (it only faces in one direction unless you shoot the harpoons) and doesn't last long.

He would be an A, but because of the regular harpoon damage and his extremely low armor he can't be. Feel free to disagree if you want, but this PvP fight I did better shows the 168 damage trick (Although my opponent isn't as good as me, she did put up a good fight in the first battle), it also has badass music from other video games!

SO about my harpooner S2 request... can we continue this again?

I don't see why not. It was a pretty reasonable proposition and I think it bears more discussion than it got when you originally posted it.

Does anyone else think that S2 Gill Grunt / Harpooner should be moved from C to B Tier, chiefly because of his Wow Pow?

I don't even think there was a lot of discussion when he was first placed there, and that he was only placed there because he could go somewhere. I'm gonna bold my main reasons again:

• The Harpoons are so useful in PvP because the damage is fairly decent and it fires pretty fast, really good at a far away distance.
  
• Even though his water hose can run out if used too much and does low damage, you can still use it for knocking back your opponent to keep them away from you; or you could use the jet-pack to get some distance away.
  
• High Critical Hit combined with most of his fair damaging attacks
  
• The Wow Pow makes it easier for you to hit your opponent with the Anchor Cannon, so it's simpler to land lots of harm
  

Best part is:

• With the Wow Pow, you can hit your opponent with ALL 3 anchors and triple the damage (as seen in that video of mine). It's kind of like Soul of the Flame Ignitor, only you don't need to be in close range (I find it far easier to do it this way though). Instead your opponent just needs to be by a wall for it to work, and then you'll be headed to Boom-City!! Plus before you charge up the cannon, you'll still shoot out the 3 harpoons for 28 damage to knock them closer to the wall. Though you could also squirt them with the hose to push them towards the wall, and it really depends on the arena. I only find it useless in the arenas Metal Hive, Cliff Drive Crags, Frost Fight, Slime Pipe, and Lockdown Islands. He pretty much decimates with this trick in all the other Arenas.
  
28 + 56 (or about 76 with critical hits, though I could always be wrong) x 3 = 196 or 256 damage

As for Water weaver, it is still the superior path for him but not by much. The damage for the anchors do 48 damage on this path instead of 56 damage ( admittedly not much of a difference, but still) and while the hose does great knockback, it slows you down. Nonetheless, he's greatly improved and is easily an A tier in my book, but due to his average health, reliance on walls, and extremely low armor; it's not possible sadly.

So far; he annihilated S2 Cynder Shadowdancer, S2 Whirlwind Tempest Dragon, and Pop Fizz Mad Scientist; but got obliterated by Rubble Master Crusher, S2 Sonic Boom Medea Griffin, and Chill Ice Lancer.

I can do more testing on Monday and shall return to report the newer results for people to prop or object to my suggestion (Bring it on man, Bring it on!), and maybe see if I change my mind.

I agree on moving Gill Grunt S2 Harpooner to B Tier! Or A Tier, whichever is best suited for Harpooner!

I think B, because while I don't miss the Water gun upgrades that much (it makes you move kinda slow) the jet pack does not last very long and it makes it easier for your opponent to catch you before you can charge up the cannon.

With an infinite jet pack you can fly away facing backwards while still shooting your opponent with the harpoons,.

But I haven't played with S2 Water Weaver that much so well see about that one....., maybe it's borderline A.

Good points you raised. I'm thinking High B? Somewhere around that!

Is Gill grunt's critical hit rate as high as Hot dog's because I seem to land quite a lot of CH's as him.

^ Hot Dog has 10 more critical than him, but it's not saying much considering how Gill is still stronger (But I still love both).

Hot Dog is really slow and has the 4th lowest in the game.

Prism break owns Eyebrawl. I couldnt believe it. On prismmancer with wowpow he is a beast. Cant believe hes not in broken tier. Even stealth elf gets ownedby him.

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Prism break owns Eyebrawl. I couldnt believe it. On prismmancer with wowpow he is a beast. Cant believe hes not in broken tier. Even stealth elf gets ownedby him.

THIS. someone that agrees with me, his laser can be spammed sooooo easily.

Yet you are still too slow and don't have much armor, now let's please get back to the task at hand: Moving S2 Harpooner to B! And maybe even Water Weaver to A!

So im trying to deside who my worst skylander is, and have narrowed it down to 3. (there all D tier)
Who do you think is the worst out of

Series 2 Golden Money Bags
Demolition Troll
Eye of the Storm

it's s1 typhoon titan lightning rod. eye of the storm can be decent if you play with him right. clobber troll is actually OK.

No way, S1 typhoon titan is great!

Of those three I think the worst is Demolition troll Boomer.

For my style of gameplay, lightning rod isnt that good.

Understandable, as the jacks of all trades are generally more difficult to master/

I wasnt counting my series one skylanders that got a repose.
I think out of the 3 D tier characters I have, Eye of the Storm is the worse.

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Understandable, as the jacks of all trades are generally more difficult to master/

I like the hit and run types the best.

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So im trying to deside who my worst skylander is, and have narrowed it down to 3. (there all D tier)
Who do you think is the worst out of

Series 2 Golden Money Bags
Demolition Troll
Eye of the Storm

Never played Boomer, but Gearhead (Luckily I stopped Joerox123 from putting her in B tier, what s stupid idea) and Bird Blaster are definitely worse than 2 of those, though if I had to pick one I'd go with Eye of the Storm Warnado. He's just awful.

Now can we please stay on the gossip!?

Any other final takers for putting S2 Gill Grunt / Harpooner in B Tier?

^ I think he is good enough, I agree on moving him, CH is very high!

Yeah! Triple Damage Anchors rule (they look more like tridents though)! You can't even interrupt him while he's charging it and it only takes 2 seconds.

Water Weaver may even have to be moved to A because of it. It's not the best use for every single arena and he still has extremely low armor (would be S tier if he didn't), but it's a great improvement for him. I highly recommend getting his S2 figure.

• Gill Grunt S2 / Harpooner moved to B Tier.
  

EDIT: @LightSpyro13: My Gill Grunt avatar is better than yours.

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• Gill Grunt S2 / Harpooner moved to B Tier.
  

EDIT: @LightSpyro13: My Gill Grunt avatar is better than yours.

agreed. his got messed up in the resizing process.

Who is next on our list for finding a definite, fitting tier?

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• Gill Grunt S2 / Harpooner moved to B Tier.
  

EDIT: @LightSpyro13: My Gill Grunt avatar is better than yours.

Not with that weaker (and uglier I may add) barbed harpoon gun of yours ! Plus my Harpoon is HUGE compared to yours

^ This!

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• Gill Grunt S2 / Harpooner moved to B Tier.
  

EDIT: @LightSpyro13: My Gill Grunt avatar is better than yours.

Not with that weaker (and uglier I may add) barbed harpoon gun of yours ! Plus my Harpoon is HUGE compared to yours

ROFL!

Meanwhile I'm stuck with the basic gun *sigh*

How come Eye Brawler is higher then Eye for an eye? Eye for an eye slays in PVP IMO.

^ It's not, if anything people here say Eye for an Eye is better. If ya read the rules, they are listed in no particular order (although, I think it's VERY wise to do so, not everyone in a tier is equally balanced. It will take forever for us to get it done though).

He's awesome on Eye-Brawler too though.

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^ It's not, if anything people here say Eye for an Eye is better. If ya read the rules, they are listed in no particular order (although, I think it's VERY wise to do so, not everyone in a tier is equally balanced. It will take forever for us to get it done though).

He's awesome on Eye-Brawler too though.

Oh, then that was bad on my part then. I do also agree it is wiser to put them in order too.

I heard the Eye brawler spin combo works a lot like Dino rang's boomerang shield, hitting more than once and doing 43 damage each hit.

Why, may I ask, is Flashwing Super Spinner only in B Tier? I understand that it only does 14 damage, but it usually (if used correctly,) it hits around 5-7 or maybe 8 times! Plus, you knock away the opponent's attacks! You can also damage with the "Lights, Crystal, Action!" upgrade for extra damage! She, in my opinion, should be A tier (not very high though.) I understand that I have to test how she does against other A Tier 'landers. I will do that when I get the time.

Also, Flashwing Super Shards is also A Tier in my opinion! She is exactly like Master Blaster Drobot! Hold down the A attack and they just spam EVERYWHERE! Plus, you can heal yourself (only by a measly 5 points though) when your near your shards that stick in walls, that ALSO shoot their own shards! However, she does become immobile while just standing their healing... BUT, her shards do 13 each, which when just shooting one sounds AWFUL, but when you spam them like Drobot's lasers, they add up VERY quickly! Not to mention that her shards do MORE damage than drobots 9 damage lasers!

I don't want to start a fight, but if there are any objections to this, please feel free to tell me!

^ Because of these things:

Super Spinner:

1. HP is Below-Average, her high Armor still isn't enough to make up for it.

2. Her attacks are STILL low-damaging compared to everyone else in A tier. Also a low critical hit rate (which I find she needs more than anything).

3. Lights, Crystal, Action only does 9 damage and has a very slow rate of fire, it's the most pointless upgrade she has.

4. Lack of useful melee attacks.

5. Stats are below-average (except Armor)

6. You can still get hurt by some projectiles (such as Tree Rex's Vaporizer hot or Bouncer's I-Beam), it doesn't block every type

Super Shards:

1. Below-Average HP once again.

2. The wall shards can do MASSIVE damage if all 3 hit your adversary, but she relies too much on the environment to fight properly, as it needs walls to be of use. Some stages are too big for the wall shards to be very effective and make them super easy to avoid (especially in Slime Pipe) , it's only good for small arenas with lots of walls such as Pirate Grotto. It really depends on what arena you're fighting in, it's useful in small ones, but useless in large ones.

3. Low-damaging attacks.

4. Terrible in close range on this path.

5. Stats are fairly below average (except Armor, but still isn't enough); low health, low critical hit, average elemental power (not saying much though).

6. Poor knockback.

7. No, it's NOT like Master Blaster Drobot. She doesn't move as fast as him (but easier to control), shards don't fire as fast, she relies a lot on the environment,

I really can't imagine her being A on Super Spinner at all. The damage is just too low for it and you can't spin around forever, so it's best to go with Super Shards for a better damage output. Even then, her crystals cannot move and only shoot in a straightforward direction (how lame is that!?), making them very easy to avoid when in large stages. Plus they slowly and only give you only 5 health and you have to remain stationary to heal faster, which in my opinion is a pretty bad idea.

She would be A tier if she had better health and if the crystals could fly around like minions instead of just sitting there in 1 spot, but still recommend keeping her in B because of her flaws. She's very high in B though.

Ah, okay! I never thought about it like that.... makes sense! And I agree about the Lights, Crystals, Action! now that I think of it....


EDIT: I just realized I was wrong also, about holding down the A attack to spam them. If you hold down A, you get the 40 damaging laser shot. Oops!

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Prism break owns Eyebrawl. I couldnt believe it. On prismmancer with wowpow he is a beast. Cant believe hes not in broken tier. Even stealth elf gets ownedby him.

You are still using the wrong strategies. I haven't heard anything about the paths or levels of the characters. I need more information on what level Eye Brawl is and what path he is on. He can easily slay Prism Break even with his Wow Pow if you use the right strategies.

This probably won't help at all, but this a month or two ago, (before I started Skylanders,) I was at a sleepover with my friends, and we were playing Skylanders: Giants. I chose Slam Bam to play as, and I was unstoppable. Never lost even ONCE! Even against Hex, Terrafin, Chop Chop, and others. Also, may I add, no one else at the party played Skylanders, other than the guy that owned it, and I STILL beat him! Note, Slam Bam was on Blizzard Brawler. I thought I would put that out there. Oh, and he beat Tree Rex!

What happens now? I hardly see this in high activity anymore. Anyway, we can possibly rate Ninjini soon, if the news is true.

I've seen Ninjini at Toys R Us. I think when more people buy her, and test her she can get rated. What about S2 Drobot with his Wow Pow?

Just to chime in, I also support giving this topic STICKY status. Even though I don't really battle this way any more.