darkSpyro

Might have been covered before, but if it has I haven't seen it. I'm just wondering what difference hats make, and things like the extra health, speed etc that you get from completing heroic challenges.

I am talking about things like Battle Mode where if I for example had 2 Stealth Elf's both leveled up to 15, one with the Knights hat for example and one with no hat at all, would the one with the hat have a noticeable advantage or not?

I personally suspect that the extra's from the heroic challenges make some slight difference, but I am not as convinced that the hats do. Yes they do to your Skylanders stats, but do they give them any noticeable advantage in the game.

Thoughts?

I know speed does for sure

The crit and speed challenges matter most. If you have tons of crit, then you will kill quicker. Simple.

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The crit and speed challenges matter most. If you have tons of crit, then you will kill quicker. Simple.

So you see a noticeable difference when you boost a characters critical hit score? I think there is but I'm not sure if I am just imagining things.

How about hats, have you noticed any real improvement from wearing a hat?

I had thought that the scores were percentages, so a Critical Hit of 70 meant you have a 70% chance of scoring a Crit, but between Heroic Challenges and Hats I have my Stealth Elf to about 105 or so, which should mean ALL hits are Critical and that hasn't been the case. However, the boosts and the hat DO seem to have an effect, I've seen noticeable improvement in speed with all the speed boosts, and with the critical hit boosts I do seem to get critical hits more often (I don't pay enough attention to notice if the armour helps, and I find the elemental boosts to be all but useless).

To truly test this someone could do some scientific style testing... Someone who has two of the same character, take them on the same upgrade path, level them up to the same level (level 15 would take a while but would be the clearest), but do a different amount of Heroic Challenges and give them different hats (or give the Heroic Challenge character a hat and the other none). Then, do a Battle, but not a real fight. Stand in front of each other and press the same attacks at the same time, or at least the same number of times. Repeat this battle several times, like 10, and see if there's a trend. You could also do virtual foot races to see if the speed boosts make a difference.

I have two Cynders, but I took them on different upgrade paths so it wouldn't be a good test. And I think I did all the Heroic Challenges I have with both. I'd have to reset at least one, and too much work to get back,

Noticeability depends on the character and stat change.
For instance, giving Prism Break +20 speed would make him noticeably faster, while giving Crusher +20 speed would be hard to see any difference. Ya catch?

I have all speed challenges completed on most of my skylanders. +44 speed makes a noticeable difference on any character.

every 5 points of crit hit=1% chance of doing a crit. 100 in crit hit means a 20% chance of scoring a critical hit.
speed is quite noticeable. All your Skylanders should do every speed challenge available! The first thing we do when we get a new figure is run them through all the challenges. Those stats really do matter. OK, armor, like in most rpg's, doesn't matter as much but it can help a little and elemental is really only useful if you are diligent (as my wife & I are) about always swapping to a character that matches the current area.

Armor totally makes a difference. I have the Trucker Hat (+20 defense) on Sprocket and it's like every 1/5 of the time she gets hit, it's blocked.

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Armor totally makes a difference. I have the Trucker Hat (+20 defense) on Sprocket and it's like every 1/5 of the time she gets hit, it's blocked.

I love the trucker hat on Gill. It really fits his look

According to Bradygames official strategy guide:

Health is health, and speed makes you faster.


6 points of armor gives a 1% chance of deflecting an enemy attack.

E.g. Tree Rex starts 24 armor = 4% or 1 in 25 attacks miss you, if you do HCs + hat to 114 it's 19% or almost 1 in 5


Critical hit is 150% regular damage, so a 20 hit becomes a 30 hit.

5 points of critical hit gives 1% of scoring that extra damage.

So Tree Rex starts with 40 or 8% which is 1 in 12.5 hits, and goes to 120 or 24% so almost 1in 4 hits.


Elemental power is a direct percentile bonus in an elemental zone, so Tree Rex in a life zone gets 25% extra at the start and 105% extra with the right hats and HCs.


I could be wrong on those max numbers but the point is if you have everything it makes a difference, a few not much - most hats are a fashion excessory; top hat gives +5 crit, +5 armor, so 1 in 100 hits are affected.

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To truly test this someone could do some scientific style testing... Someone who has two of the same character, take them on the same upgrade path, level them up to the same level (level 15 would take a while but would be the clearest), but do a different amount of Heroic Challenges and give them different hats (or give the Heroic Challenge character a hat and the other none). Then, do a Battle, but not a real fight.

Ok I sort of did this which is how this whole thing came about.

My son and I both have a Stealth Elf character taken up the Pook Blade path. Mine has done all 32 S:SA heroic challenges and has the unicorn hat. His has done maybe 10 HC's and has no hat. We stood toe to toe using only the main attack (A button on the Wii) and my Stealth Elf was defeated. Now I doubt that he was pressing faster than I was. Stealth Elf moves as she attacks so it's not 100% scientific as perhaps some of my shots missed whereas his didn't? But regardless should my Stealth Elf not have won with all those extra's?

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Critical hit is 150% regular damage, so a 20 hit becomes a 30 hit.

Every time I've seen it pop, it was 200% damage... I think my Stealth Elf generally does 22 damage, and sometimes I see 44.


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My son and I both have a Stealth Elf character taken up the Pook Blade path. Mine has done all 32 S:SA heroic challenges and has the unicorn hat. His has done maybe 10 HC's and has no hat. We stood toe to toe using only the main attack (A button on the Wii) and my Stealth Elf was defeated. Now I doubt that he was pressing faster than I was. Stealth Elf moves as she attacks so it's not 100% scientific as perhaps some of my shots missed whereas his didn't? But regardless should my Stealth Elf not have won with all those extra's?

Sounds like you were mashing the attack... A better test would be to count, you do 1, I do one, I do #2, etc. etc. Either that, or one person use both controllers to press the attack buttons at the same time.

Also one fight does not a test make.

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Every time I've seen it pop, it was 200% damage... I think my Stealth Elf generally does 22 damage, and sometimes I see 44.

Ill go with that, the guide I took the info from is known for errors (Lost map for the Lost City of Arkus?)

all we know is i put hats which looks cool for our characters played right all characters are pretty strong anyways.