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He might of been, but what I'm saying he could of just as easily been purple! We could of had LoS without Classic Spyro ever existing, there is just less chance that we would.

Theyre would be a 1% that TLoS would made

For the record, Spyro was originally purple for a specific reason that had everything to do with PS1 technology, so if the classic Spyro hadn't been made when and why it was, we wouldn't have Spyro as we know it. And in the gaming markets of yesteryear, LoS would never have gotten off the ground. The whole reason it was made is because it was attached to a franchise that was deemed marketable (this is why LoS is a Spyro game at all instead of being just a dragon game).

Incidentally, I fail to see why classic fans get so much complaints for starting these flame wars when I see LoS fans lighting the match in topics more than anywhere else. As someone who was in this fandom before TEN came out, I can say honestly that it wasn't a problem before DotD was released. There were a few arguments, but we had all mostly agreed to let everyone have their own opinions and leave it at that. These days, I see a lot of young/new LoS fans (especially DotD fans) just hauling off and bashing classic fans with no provocation beforehand. And then you guys wonder why some of us are so bitter.

^ Well said...

Razz can say everything about a thousand times better than I can. i was also in the fandom before DotD, so I know that it was that game that caused most of the arguments between classic and LoS fans.

I have always been a huge Spyro fan, until ANB came out. For some reason, I just stopped liking Spyro all of a sudden (Come to think of it, it was around that same time a started playing Sonic games regularly). Then in the Summer I got back into him, and like him more than ever. This is the only forum of anything that I'm a member of, and even I can notice the crumbling fanbase.:/

It is really annoying. I come back into a fandom, hoping to find people to have friendly discussions about both Spyros with fellow fans, and once I jump in, everyone is arguing. Heck, someone once accused me of bigging up TLoS, but look at this guy, trying to up DotD's star rating by telling everyone to rate it a 5. This topic is a battleground waiting for troops to march in.

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Peh, there are some original games I thank by throwing them in ditches and lighting said ditch with petrol (Sonic 3, I'm looking at you. Crash Bandicoot, I'm not thankful for you either but you don't deserve to be doused).

Sonic 3 isn't the best example *coughsonic2cough*...

Sonic 2 actually paved Sonic as we know today, and Sonic 3 wasn't bad either.

What you said faun... hmm, people can't we just agree to disagree and move on from this it's beginning to get tiresome. I swear this next game better be good. maybe, then it will get peoples minds off this junk...

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Razz can say everything about a thousand times better than I can. i was also in the fandom before DotD, so I know that it was that game that caused most of the arguments between classic and LoS fans.

Yeah, this.

I was also there, lurking, and I noticed the same.

It rather irks me. Before DotD, I was in the "fan of both series" camp and it was indeed possible to have a friendly discussion about both series, even with people who didn't like one or the other. Now you poor folks who like both can't even have your own topic unmolested, and neither side of the fanbase can go five minutes without someone trying to start something. It's just frustrating.

And, frankly, I miss being able to like LoS sometimes. ANB and TEN meant a lot to me for what they were, but I can't express that now anywhere because the minute I bring up any version of LoS, some creepy DotD fan is in my face (not here, necessarily; this actually happens to me off-site in my galleries on a semi-regular basis).

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Peh, there are some original games I thank by throwing them in ditches and lighting said ditch with petrol (Sonic 3, I'm looking at you. Crash Bandicoot, I'm not thankful for you either but you don't deserve to be doused).

Sonic 3 isn't the best example *coughsonic2cough*...

Sonic 2 is my favourite Sonic game ever, why the hell would I personally use that as an example?

But the point isn't which Sonic game is the best of the three, the point is that while you SHOULD have (sometime a very grudging) respect for the game that preludes the one in question, there's no reason why you should be outright thankful for it.

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Peh, there are some original games I thank by throwing them in ditches and lighting said ditch with petrol (Sonic 3, I'm looking at you. Crash Bandicoot, I'm not thankful for you either but you don't deserve to be doused).

Sonic 3 isn't the best example *coughsonic2cough*...

Sonic 2 is my favourite Sonic game ever, why the hell would I personally use that as an example?

But the point isn't which Sonic game is the best of the three, the point is that while you SHOULD have (sometime a very grudging) respect for the game that preludes the one in question, there's no reason why you should be outright thankful for it.

Well I'm not, because Sonic 3 was a disappointment, and so were all the 3D sonic games that followed (:

(SONIC 4 FTW!)

What about Sonic 3 & Knuckles? Not to mention Sonic Unleashed and Sonic Colours!

I liked the 3D Sonic games, as anyone who's seen me in the gaming forum will testify to. Not Sonic 3&K, though.

But it was a more general statement regarding any original-sequel relationship, anyway.

I like most 3D Sonic games, the only exception being Sonic 06, but at least Sega said sorry for it!

This topic has ruined any respect anyone has for LOS fans.

Im a classic/ledgends fans (were rare)

Yay! *throws a cookie to parisruelz12*
And yes, we are a rare breed, only found every 100 sign ups!

*cathes cookie*

THAT MANY

Lol, I was referencing the "purple dragon every 100 years" concept!

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Stormy's got the right of this one.

I only declare war on LoS fans when they tell me Spyro/Cynder is the only acceptable pairing in the franchise.

You mean, people are actullay dumb enough to belive that?
Oh great, now I am turning into the newest troll around here.

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Lol, I was referencing the "purple dragon every 100 years" concept!

lol...

I love DotD. It's one of my favorites from the franchise. But this is pitiful, and is only a sad attempt at spam. 4.5 is a very good rating. Why this person can't accept that is beyond me. And it's just shameful.

I won't be very surprised if this exact same person does this again in about a month or so.

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This topic has ruined any respect anyone has for LOS fans.

Oh-ho, I wish. My respect for LoS fans died a couple weeks after DotD came out and I met the creeper who was talking to his therapist about how Cynder is his perfect woman. D:

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Sonic 3 isn't the best example *coughsonic2cough*...

Sonic 2 is my favourite Sonic game ever, why the hell would I personally use that as an example?

But the point isn't which Sonic game is the best of the three, the point is that while you SHOULD have (sometime a very grudging) respect for the game that preludes the one in question, there's no reason why you should be outright thankful for it.

Well I'm not, because Sonic 3 was a disappointment, and so were all the 3D sonic games that followed (:

(SONIC 4 FTW!)

Why was Sonic 3 a dissapointment? Sonic 4 was an abomination to call it a sequel to Sonic 3 IMO.

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I liked the 3D Sonic games, as anyone who's seen me in the gaming forum will testify to. Not Sonic 3&K, though.

But it was a more general statement regarding any original-sequel relationship, anyway.

A few 3D sonics are alright, like Sonic adventure 2. (the original SA had terrible acting... But some others were just wierd.

Why is it you don't like Sonic 3 or Knuckles?

Speaking as a non-Sonic fan, I liked the first 3 games for the Genesis equally (though Sonic 3 most since you could fly).

Also speaking as a non-Sonic fan who is here for the Spyro talk, can you guys move this debate to the video game board or something? This is the Spyro general board, y'know, for talking about Spyro.

Razz, I think I know how you feel. Those DOTD fans are absolute creeps. The TLOS fans were pretty good until DOTD came out. As soon as that game came out, little kids came running into this forum, spamming everywhere with TLOS. The classics seem to be long forgotten. D:

I got called retarded once by complaining about Cynder's Skinny body and large chest and if you type in "Cynder" or "Spyro and Cynder", you would find porn there. It makes me feel icky at how many TLOS fans DRAW Cynder and themselves "doing it". I feel somewhat sorry for them, because they're in love with a bunch of pixels on T.V, and they obviously won't have a REAL woman in real life. I suppose it's mainly the Cynder fantards who creep me out. And poor Ember gets bashed for no reason.

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well its my opinion cant u guys take that

We can. But there's no need to keep bringing up everywhere like a little kid.


.....Or am I feeding the troll? D:

This. You say it randomly all the time, like in your own topic, which had nothing to do with bashing the original Spyro.

This, in my eyes, appears less-than-important, plus I don't think I understand what you're trying to say.

This topic should be closed, before "the troops march in".

I agree with sonicbrawler..

And you know, not all TLoS Fans are like that. It's just those that are that give the rest of us a bad name..

Yeah, I agree with Darby. It's just like the way a lot of Classic Sonic purists give all Sonic fans a bad name.

While not all LoS fans are obnoxious, Darby, many of us have had more encounters with the ones who are than the ones who aren't. It's sad but it's true. Remember, I myself used to be a LoS fan, but my fellow fans drove me to hate it.

As for the people who draw Cynder smut...I resemble that remark, and I've been with several women, thank you. However, the massive amount of Cynder porn you see today didn't exist before DotD came out (even I didn't do much of it, and very little of it was risque, before I saw the obvious fan bait that is DotD Cynder). That design in particular just seems to draw the skeevy crowd. I drew most of my risque Cynder work for amusement more than anything else, but you haven't met a truly creepy/obnoxious LoS fan until you've had a crowd of them leave disgusting/nasty/whiny comments on your art. And they don't just show up to talk on the adult stuff. I get a lot of gross comments on completely innocent Spyro art from these people, too. It's a large part of why I don't draw Cynder at all anymore, even though she used to be my favorite thing about LoS.

You...resemble that remark? Unless you're using Marx knowingly...

Dunno if I'm quoting Marx accurately or not, since I've never seen that routine in full. *shrug*

I'm an adult lesbian who sometimes draws erotica, some of it of Cynder, I am one of those folks DarkCynder_543 was talking about when she said "I feel somewhat sorry for them, because they're in love with a bunch of pixels on T.V, and they obviously won't have a REAL woman in real life". I am not, in fact, in love with Cynder (I'm in love with my spouse), and I draw smut mostly for amusement. When people want to make assumptions about "those nasty perverts who surely must be leading pathetic lives", I feel inclined to point out that we aren't all stereotypes (though many viewers of our work do live down to the negative notions about fanboys). In fact, all of the people I know who draw quality dirty art are friendly, well-adjusted people. It's the people who comment, request, and sometimes commission us who are usually the ones with the sad lives and creepy pixel obsessions.

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Peh, there are some original games I thank by throwing them in ditches and lighting said ditch with petrol (Sonic 3, I'm looking at you. Crash Bandicoot, I'm not thankful for you either but you don't deserve to be doused).

Crash Bandicoot????? U MAD?

Crash was just so hard to control in the original, I couldn't get into it. Like I said, it doesn't deserve to be doused in petrol though...


Now, let's switch back our regular broadcast of Spyro. Yeah, the quote is accurate for the Marx routine, but the actual comment used straight is "I resent that remark", Marx was making fun of it. You may already know this, thus my words are made useless, but eh.

I really did mean to say "I resemble that remark", so I guess I was quoting Marx.

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Dunno if I'm quoting Marx accurately or not, since I've never seen that routine in full. *shrug*

I'm an adult lesbian who sometimes draws erotica, some of it of Cynder, I am one of those folks DarkCynder_543 was talking about when she said "I feel somewhat sorry for them, because they're in love with a bunch of pixels on T.V, and they obviously won't have a REAL woman in real life". I am not, in fact, in love with Cynder (I'm in love with my spouse), and I draw smut mostly for amusement. When people want to make assumptions about "those nasty perverts who surely must be leading pathetic lives", I feel inclined to point out that we aren't all stereotypes (though many viewers of our work do live down to the negative notions about fanboys). In fact, all of the people I know who draw quality dirty art are friendly, well-adjusted people. It's the people who comment, request, and sometimes commission us who are usually the ones with the sad lives and creepy pixel obsessions.

I feel the same way. I knew the art you did, but you seem a fun person so Iit doesn't bother me at all. I agree though, there are some creeps who go too far. Me and one of my friends have seen that art, but we're not obssessed, I was only cleanly obssessed when I made custom Wii Stickers. Anyway.

And you're lesbian? I thought you were married? O.o

I find Razz's "dirty" art hilarious. The style just makes everything look slapstick!

Thanks guys. I don't take my dirty art any more seriously than anything else. Comedy makes everything more fun.

Yep, I'm married and also gay. We didn't really figure it out until after we'd been married for a bit and my husband and I don't want to split up because of it.

Say.....this topic doesn't really have "a topic" anymore, if you know what I mean! Everyone agrees that the first post was just silly.

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Yep, I'm married and also gay. We didn't really figure it out until after we'd been married for a bit and my husband and I don't want to split up because of it.

Thank you for reading my mind. I was going to ask about the whole deal with "I'm an adult lesbian even when I say I have a husband" [specifically about whether husband was just a catch-all term or you meant it in the proper way and only came out later], but it seemed more polite to refrain.

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Thanks guys. I don't take my dirty art any more seriously than anything else. Comedy makes everything more fun.

Yep, I'm married and also gay. We didn't really figure it out until after we'd been married for a bit and my husband and I don't want to split up because of it.

Yeah your art is funny at times

Aha. That's a good comitment you have
Doesn't that technicly mean you're bi-sexual? Not trying to be intrusive or anything...

You guys can ask me anything you want. I'm not exactly an expert, but I can tell you how it is for me.

Nope, being married to a man doesn't make me bi-sexual. I am not physically attracted to men at all (which explained some problems we were having).

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You guys can ask me anything you want. I'm not exactly an expert, but I can tell you how it is for me.

Nope, being married to a man doesn't make me bi-sexual. I am not physically attracted to men at all (which explained some problems we were having).

Oh right I see now. It's strange to me how you can be gay yet still be married to him, but a bit interesting too.

This topic should be called "The Ever-Changing Topic of Randomness".

Anyway, I am totally fine with people who "go outside the box", if ya' know what I mean.(In fact, I was once in a debate on deviantART, defending gay rights!)

probably. The original discussion vanished after like 5 minutes!