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So I went to Smash Fest and tried both versions. I used a veteran (Kirby) in the 3DS version, and he was just as fun to control as I remember. I really like that the Hammer Flip (his Up+B move with the Hammer ability in recent titles) has been added to his repertoire. And it's actually a full spin around, which differentiates it nicely from Dedede's Jet Hammer and provides greater coverage. I've also found it easier to cancel out of his Down+B quicker. There was a great moment when I was crashing into the CPU (Greninja), then backed out, and was able to instantaneously transform into Stone Kirby AGAIN to hit him. I was also able to cancel out his final smash using Stone Kirby, which was awesome.

For the Wii U version, I played Greninja. And I can safely say I won't play him when the retail version comes out. He's all the speediness of Fox and even more. Way too fast for a bad gamer like me to control. But if you were good with Fox, you'll master Greninja quickly and cause your opponents a lot of trouble.

Both games controlled great. Although I has serious muscle memory issues using the Wii U Pro Controller since I'm so used to a Gamecube controller. @.@

We had 1 with Smash Run, one with a normal, 2-minute battle. I played the normal one because I was near the front of the line for the Wii U version.

One thing I should note about the 3DS version: obviously there are fewer buttons, so the mapping may be a bit awkward. Only the R button can let you guard and dodge roll. The L button is the grab button in the 3DS version. In Melee and Brawl, I always used the L button to dodge roll because it was on the same side as the left stick. No dice for Smash 3DS. So swapping back and forth between the 2 versions is likely to lead to serious muscle memory issues for me. ^.^;

Was there a jump button?

What are the 3ds controls?Since I don't have a Wii U and will be getting that version I would like to know what they are like.

I don't buy the Sal Romano leak at all. There is no way he could have missed mentioning Rosalina if he had access to inside info.

Pretty much everyone on his list was guessable/highly requested by fans, apart from Wii Fit Trainer, but his phrasing as "Wii Fit person" kinda kills his credibility, since it's such a vague term. Same with "Animal Crossing guy". I think he just through Wii Fit Trainer in there to add a curve ball to his guess, he got REALLY lucky

He also predicted a "Pokémon from X & Y", and while Greninja fits that bill, it was again, too vague to mean anything. It was recently revealed (at the roundtable Q&A where Pac-Man was revealed) that Greninja had been decided upon as a newcomer long before X & Y released, so he should have at least had Greninja's Japanese name to go by. Sakurai left an open slot for a new Pokémon character when he finalised the new roster "a couple of years back", but Game Freak fed him as much information as possible. Greninja is also in the game solely because Sakurai thought he'd be fun to play as in Smash, which meant he had to heavily improvise when creating him for Smash, he didn't have any history or popularity to work with.

[Well I'm finally home. I'll take my time with this one.

I see a lot of the detractors of this leak state that it's definitely just a lucky guess, or the guy is making it up and running with it. Let's run a background check on our friend Sal Romano.

Sal Romano:
-Owner of a website
-has leaked legitimate information before
-would lose credibility should he be wrong (yet guesses Wii Fit Trainer who, prior to E3, would have been shot down by basically 99.9999% of the Smash Bros fanbase. Don't even try to argue that.) Animal Crossing Guy, to the average joe isn't a questionable choice, but to the people who follow Sakurai and the series very closely, it was a highly doubted idea for awhile due to his comments about the Villager.

This guy has some credibility if I do say so myself. That's my take on that part of it.

Sal came to Smashboards briefly after the second leak, and explained what he knew. He received the supposed email for E3 awhile before the event (pretty sure it was a few months beforehand), and he saved it until just before as a guess. He claims that he questioned the leak, and he still does. He gets the concern with the fact that Rosalina was missed, and that X/Y Pokemon was questionable.

Let's look back at the first leak.

Sal says, "Villager, Mega Man, Wii Fit Trainer, Little Mac, Pac-Man, Mii will appear at E3"

Detractors will say that because all six of them didn't appear, the leak is automatically fake. So it didn't come to fruition just yet. Guess where else there was inaccurate information? A Pokemon X/Y leak. However, in that particular Pokemon X/Y leak, a majority of the information the leaker gave was actually CORRECT, save for a few parts (by few, I mean VERY few). On the flip side, while Little Mac, Pac-Man, and Mii hadn't appeared at E3, the other three did. Two of which are arguably dark horse characters that would have been the most questionable choices.

Later on, Little Mac was confirmed at a later date. That's character number four that Sal's leaker got. However, Little Mac isn't a difficult character to predict...if you're a North American fan. Most Japanese Smash Bros fans didn't recognize Little Mac, nor did some understand why he was picked. Little Mac, while seemingly an obvious pick to western fans, was incredibly obscure to Japanese fans. He's not as obvious as some think.

Pac-Man has yet to appear, but should you deny the likelihood of this guy showing up, you're getting your hopes up. Namco already has a presence in Smash Bros in the form of items, and I think it should make perfect sense for Namco to receive a character, especially one in the echelon of Pac-Man, who happens to still be a major gaming icon. Maybe not modern gaming, but classic gaming for sure. Smash covers all facets of gaming history and Nintendo, and Pac-Man fits that bill.
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The Mii's haven't appeared either. However, they still have quite the chance to get in. There really isn't anything to draw from as far as their potential appearance just yet, but that doesn't take away the fact that they could easily happen.

So now, let's look at the second Sal Romano leak.

Sal says, " Leaker has sent a second email, saying that Pac-Man and Mii's are still coming, but there are other newcomers as well. They are: Chrom, Shulk, Palutena, Chorus Men, and an X/Y Pokemon"

Let's look at these characters one by one.

Chrom: A fairly likely Fire Emblem pick, as the protagonist from the latest Fire Emblem game, Fire Emblem: Awakening. You could say he was a "safe" choice should this leak be fake. But that's asinine logic, based on the fact that the rest of the newcomer roster is filled with characters few expected should this be real. Do you expect off the wall characters along with Wii Fit Trainer and Chorus Men (and to a lesser extent, Villager)?

Shulk: Protagonist from the critically acclaimed Xenoblade Chronicles. He's a fairly popular character in Japan (being at least top 10 I believe) and has quite the following in the western fanbases. He's a reasonable choice, but I'm not entirely convinced that he's a "safe" choice. If you want to get into there being too many "safe" choices, see the section on Chrom.

Palutena: a character that has been hinted at multiple times now, is very likely to be in Smash Wii U/3DS. Another "safe choice" but again, read "Chrom".

Chorus Men: This is where it gets icky. This is yet another character that nobody saw coming. This, in my honest opinion, is the only thing that will make or break this leak. If they aren't playable characters (or whatever Chorus Men consists of), the leak can be deemed fake. If they are playable, I find it highly likely that the leak will turn out to be real. This is probably another case of the character being revealed, and then speculators going on about how they were likely the whole time. I'm telling you now, they're an off the wall choice, and their position in Smash Bros 4 will make or break this leak.

X/Y Pokemon: Oh the controversial character, a Pokemon from Pokemon X/Y. This was not highly considered by many fans out there. There are many people who claim that because it was Greninja specifically, that it debunks the leak. Let me tell you why that's bad logic...you see, before Ike was chosen for Brawl, Sakurai simply had the concept of a slow moving, heavy sword user. There is proof of this, and once I get a hold of it, I will add it to this post. For the time being (before Ike was actually chosen for that spot) it could quite simply be argued, that the Fire Emblem newcomer...was simply labeled as "Fire Emblem character" just as the choice from Pokemon X/Y is possibly be labeled "X/Y Pokemon". It's happened before, no reason it can't happen again. No matter how you slice it, it is entirely accurate that an "X/Y Pokemon" turned out to be Greninja. Greninja is a Pokemon that debuted in Pokemon X/Y, therefore, he fits in the category of "X/Y Pokemon". I don't see what the problem is here.

What I'm getting at here, is that there is presently nothing that can prove either side.

You can say it's fake, but that would bypass the fact that Sal Romano is a fairly credible source, so it should be assumed he wouldn't be making this up himself. If the guy wanted the leak to spread (which he wouldn't) that would be when he would go to a mod on IGN or a big name website. Sal, who is the owner of Gematsu, which is a small website most people have probably never heard of, claims to have gotten the information from a separate source. He did not make this leak himself. Why would he? Claiming otherwise would be going directly against the information we have. He has talked to Smashboards Staff after being asked for information. He is not bragging he's getting things right. I could go on, but I think you're getting my point.

What do I think? Well, if I'm being honest, I do believe this leak. The "safe" picks make sense, and don't make it unbelievable (which doesn't take from the credibility of the leak). It makes sense to have a Pokemon from the latest gen, as Melee and Brawl both had one from their current Pokemon Generations.

Don't get any scientific terms in here, because they don't do anything for this right now. It's all speculation at this point. It all hinges on the Rhythm Heaven Chorus Men. Should they be confirmed, it should be heavily considered that this leak is real.

Let's not quote Smashboards like some sort of authourity. I frequent the site, and I have been in the Sal Romano thread a few times, and the thread is a toxic wasteland. That thing you posted above is an opinion piece, nothing more.

No amount of correct guesses can change the fact that:

-No evidence regarding the source has been given (pictures, written details on where the information came from, etc).
-He missed out on characters.
-He stated incorrect announcement times even for some characters that did appear in the game (Little Mac, Pac Man, Mii Fighter).

I've put forward this comparison before, and I'll do it again:

I could be here, sitting at my computer before E3 2013, and I type up a prediction list, update the info as time goes by, and get every single prediction right, and claim I had inside info. However, I have no source, I seriously just guessed.

Meanwhile, someone with inside access claims Pac-Man, Bayonetta, and Elsa from Disney's Frozen will be playable in the game. However, only Pac-Man happens. Turns out Bayonetta and Elsa were confused for Zero Suit Samus and Rosalina respectively, as the inside source was a design document with rough images of characters, that someone saw and leaked what they saw online.

The former is an accurate prediction framed as a leak that has people believe it's a leak due to it's accuracy, but has no actual proof it's a real leak, and isn't in the first place. The latter is a leak, just with some misinterpretations and little info.

The Sal Romano "leak" is the former situation.

Hey, guys.

Funny that this page is talking about a new e-mail, because that's exactly why I'm here. Received one last night, but missed it in the mix of all this crazy E3 coverae.

But there's not much new about it, so I didn't think it was worth posting on the site.

I'll leave what it says here, though, in case you guys can use it in any way.

Basically, I was told that:

- Last E3 before game's launch (obviously)
- Participating characters: Pac-Man, Mii Fighter, Goddess Palutena, Shulk, Chrom, Chorus Men (none of these are new, obv, so I take he means these are the participating characters for E3?)
- There has been internal debate about keeping Lucas versus Ness, apparently Lucas is likely to get the cut
- Nintendo is planning post-launch character DLC, source doesn't like this as he thinks it's greedy

And that's it. This E3 should make or break whether this guy's the real deal. Let's hope for the best! =)

Did anyone here about the Sal Romano leak? Here's the gist:

Prior to E3 2013: Said Little Mac, Pac-Man, Mii, Mega Man, "Wii Fit person", "Animal Crossing guy" will be shown at E3
E3 2013: Only Mega Man, Wii Fit Trainer, and Villager show
Following E3 2013: Leak is dismissed, some still hold onto it because Wii Fit Trainer was unlikely and hard to predict.
Winter 2013, between Rosalina's reveal and Lucario's: Also coming are Palutena, Chrom, Shulk, and Chorus Guy (Rhythm Heaven)
February 2014: Little Mac
Prior to E3 2014: Pac-Man, Mii Fighter, Palutena, Shulk, Chorus Man to "participate in the battle" (his leaker didn't specify what that meant. Character DLC will be prepared for after the game's release. There was an internal debate in the studio of Ness vs. Lucas, looks like Lucas got the axe.
E3 2014: Palutena, Mii Fighters, and Pac-Man confirmed
After E3 2014: Smashboards goes crazy, Sal only has three more characters to go

A "lucky guess" is not telling about every newcomer except Rosalina

Guys I know the exact date when the Wii U version comes out

... November 21

Look what I found at toys r us in Hamilton Ontario

Novemeber 21st makes a lot of sense to me.

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Look what I found at toys r us in Hamilton Ontario

Probably a mistake and maybe it's December 21.

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Look what I found at toys r us in Hamilton Ontario

Probably a mistake and maybe it's December 21.

Four days before Christmas? I don't think that would work all that well...

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Probably a mistake and maybe it's December 21.

Four days before Christmas? I don't think that would work all that well...

True but the same day as Pokemon Hoenn remakes? People who want all three would have to spend $120.

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Probably a mistake and maybe it's December 21.

Four days before Christmas? I don't think that would work all that well...

True but the same day as Pokemon Hoenn remakes? People who want all three would have to spend $120.

Sweet! That's right before my birthday

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Four days before Christmas? I don't think that would work all that well...

True but the same day as Pokemon Hoenn remakes? People who want all three would have to spend $120.

try 140$ (Best Buy confirmed the price of Smashbros4 Wii U as 60$)

Personally hoping for another Pokemon character. Not gonna happen. ;-;