darkSpyro

I only really like the air element for warnado, it still baffles me why they chose lightning rod over a tornado controlling turtle, warnado needed improvement in his damage numbers, lightning idiot didn't need a repose as much as warnado does, plus warnado is more appealing to most kids (Hello? He's a flippin TURTLE!!!!!)

i agree 100%


warnado can be good if you know how to use him. i use him much like tempest dragon whirlwind, running away and spamming tornados. i have to say that the weakest element IMO is magic. and arent enough to make up for , and

I like almost very skylander and I dont use the air element much, I usually use earth and life, my two fav elements, but chop chop was horrible in s1, he got a repose, and now he's broken, is it too much to ask for a low damaging air turtle to get a repose? He seriously needed it first, there's another reason why I think I should work at TFB

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I like almost very skylander and I dont use the air element much, I usually use earth and life, my two fav elements, but chop chop was horrible in s1, he got a repose, and now he's broken, is it too much to ask for a low damaging air turtle to get a repose? He seriously needed it first, there's another reason why I think I should work at TFB

I'm thinking they will bring back Warnado, and the other non reposed back in the third game. Then perhaps Warnado will get a showstopper of a wow pow.

So.. how exactly to use Marauder Voodood? Block ranged attackers with tripwires, zipline up to the opponent, and melee to death? I have not a clue how to use him lol I have won exactly one fight with him and that was against a bazooka-spamming Floral Defender Zook in Docks of Doom.

Well first things first....

"GET OVER HERE!"

-Scorpion

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Well first things first....

"GET OVER HERE!"

-Scorpion

not sure what you mean by that but.. ok?

What meant is:

Use the Zipline Axe and tell your opponent to

so basically zipline up to them and melee them to death?

yeah, he is highest dps melee character, so why not?

If his melee were not so darn clunky he may be a candidate for S tier.

Yep, just use the zipline and say "GET OVER HERE!"

Yeah, he might have trouble with people like Stump smash who will just spit a big fat meganut out to block the zipline, or whack in in your face, but overall he's quite a powerhouse.

Probably would beat too (nobody may agree with this, I know), there's at least one thing Double Trouble doesn't have.

^With some practice, then maybe. Anyhow, I thought you did not have Double Trouble.

^ I don't, a friend of mine does.

On my opinion, Bouncer should be put at least in A-Tier in the list Because of his soul gem, his fists of destruction can deal 35 damage each fist, homes in on his enemies, and also doesn't take long to charge his attack, not to mention if bouncer fired his fists of destruction right in front of you, he can deal at least around whopping 70 damage if both of his fists hit you, also the one that should be in A-tier is the I-Beam Supreme, because when he is in Rocketeer, he's pretty vulnerable to some attacks, not to mention you also have to predict your enemy's movement in PvP, while the other path allows Bouncer to conjure up mines too, on my opinion, bouncer is the best long ranged attacker (giant) between the other skylanders

Note: Eye-Brawl is pretty defenseless against bouncer's fists of destruction when his eyeball is flying (depends on the location of Eye-Brawl)
The only giant that i think has a chance against Bouncer is probably ninjini, eye-brawl (if the one using bouncer isn't smart/ skilled enough/experienced enough), and also tree rex, because his laser can deal a whopping 100 damage

P.S. Don't get mad of what i said, I'm new to the forum and this is only my opinions on Bouncer, also i not sure about ninjini because she hasn't been released

Please switch chop chop and drobot

why? drobots style isnt as good anymore. high dmg is the new good.

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On my opinion, Bouncer should be put at least in A-Tier in the list Because of his soul gem, his fists of destruction can deal 35 damage each fist, homes in on his enemies, and also doesn't take long to charge his attack, not to mention if bouncer fired his fists of destruction right in front of you, he can deal at least around whopping 70 damage if both of his fists hit you, also the one that should be in A-tier is the I-Beam Supreme, because when he is in Rocketeer, he's pretty vulnerable to some attacks, not to mention you also have to predict your enemy's movement in PvP, while the other path allows Bouncer to conjure up mines too, on my opinion, bouncer is the best long ranged attacker (giant) between the other skylanders

Note: Eye-Brawl is pretty defenseless against bouncer's fists of destruction when his eyeball is flying (depends on the location of Eye-Brawl)
The only giant that i think has a chance against Bouncer is probably ninjini, eye-brawl (if the one using bouncer isn't smart/ skilled enough/experienced enough), and also tree rex, because his laser can deal a whopping 100 damage

P.S. Don't get mad of what i said, I'm new to the forum and this is only my opinions on Bouncer, also i not sure about ninjini because she hasn't been released

Ace XSX - Those are all very good points. The next piece needed to validate your statements is telling us what happened when you Battle Bouncer against a significant portion of the A-Class Skylanders of equal level 15, Hats, and Heroic Challenges as well as someone skilled with the Skylander you compete against. This is usually the most difficult part of objective ranking but is absolutely essential to ensure we are ranking against real-world results and not Theory and/or Extrapolation.

Thanks and keep up the good work!

I'm having a lot of second thoughts about Crusher / Rubble Master right now. While I understand that his damage and ease of use are terrible, I still don't know what to think about the ability of his rubble attack to let him avoid combat. How do his survival skills compare to Terrafin / Sandhog? Does the rubble attack give him near-Sandhog-level dodging ability, or is he still vulnerable while using it? When this combines with his massive HP and armour, does it give him broken survival abilities? If this is the case, then Rubble Master's damage should not matter, because his survival skills alone can make him S Tier for the same reason Terrafin / Sandhog is. If this is not the case, however, then Rubble Master belongs in A.

As for S2 Zap and Hot Dog, i'm just confused as hell right now. I think I know a fair bit now about their attacks and how they work, how Hot Dog is generally seen as dissapointing and how Zap's Wow Pow works nicely for Tesla Dragon, stuff like that, but I still don't feel clear on what tiers they should go in. I probably just need to read the posts about them again.

Crusher to A Tier. His survival skills aren't good enough.

/\ this. in my experience, all his boulders can get hit and get dealth dmg.

I've done some reading up on S2 Zap and Hot Dog. I guess my confusion about them may have risen from the fact that there doesn't seem to be much hard research on them to work with so far, or at least not in this thread. The most well-researched posts about them have come from Lightspyro13, so thanks goes to him for those.

I've managed to glean the following tier placements for each of their paths based on what we have:
S2 Zap / Tesla Dragon in B Tier.
S2 Zap / Slime Serpent in C tier.
Hot Dog / Burning Bow-Wow in B tier.
Hot Dog / Pyro Pooch in B Tier? (This one needs the most clarification, I feel.)

Does anyone have any comments or problems with these?

EDIT: Also, the majority has spoken...

• Crusher / Rubble Master moved to A Tier.
  

He's completely vulnerable in his "rubble form".

He needs to be moved down. Not to the top of A-Tier either, but to mid-to-low.

I've beaten Crusher, and gotten beat, by several A-Tier characters.

Honestly, that path was one of the most disappointing paths I've played to date.

ok I'll try to test it

on my opinion, crusher is probably the most easy giant to beat because of his short range and slow movement, however his rubble path is probably more decent than his other path, however both paths aren't that good compared to the other giants, most of them have better ranged attacks than him, his best move is probably the ability to turn his enemies to stone

His perk is the high HP and Armor he has, and the Exploding Boulders can be spammed a lot.

He is really clunky to play though.

I agree but I would still move him down to A Tier.

Heck, id say B.

^%%%%^ I agree

his boulders.......just too low damaging. his hp and armor is all that keeps him alive longer than most C tiers. he would be D-C if he didnt have that armor......

Yeah, I'm pretty conflicted between Lower-A/Higher-B for him.

Either way, glad he's finally getting recognized for his weaknesses.

I think Rubble Master is in the right place in A Tier for now until some real, informed research about him comes through in terms of how he compares with each of the tiers above and below him.

Does anyone have comments on the first-draft tier placements for Hot Dog and S2 Zap written in my previous post, before I go ahead and put them in those tiers?

^ Vurning Bow-Bow is right because of his low HP/horrible armor. Also is stationary.

I say C tier for Pyro pooch. his firewall is his only real powerful perk.

Tesla Dragon S2 and Burning Bow Wow both for B!

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Vurning Bow-Bow is right because of his low HP/horrible armor. Also is stationary.

Whaddaya mean stationary? None of his attacks are stationary or force him to stop moving, not even his Comet Slam.

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I say C tier for Pyro pooch. his firewall is his only real powerful perk.

Uh hello, you can't just say "Blah Blah Blah should be in Blah Blah Blah". If you read the read the rules in Stuff to Know, you gotta give reasons on why Blah Blah Blah belongs in Blah Blah Blah or whatever, and how well they compete with that tier and the others below or above it.

Am I the only one who remembers it?

I agree with Lightspyro's assessment regarding Burning Bow Wow for B. He's a textbook glass cannon, he can deal some huge damage and can be unpredictable, but his low health and armor keep him from consistent wins.

I'd also say Pyro Pooch is a C, maybe even D? Where Burning Bow Wow works due to it's damage output and varied offense, Pyro Pooch keeps him too stationary, which is not where a character with his defense wants to be. The fire wall upgrades are ok, but it's usefulness varies depending on the arena. I'd like to hear more opinions regarding this one for PVP.

No idea where Zap should be, haven't messed with his S2 as of yet.

When you play with Zap, remember this: Zap's Wow Pow is a major improvement for Tesla Dragon and would be good for B tier. It's powerful, but difficult to use effectively. Here's why:

1. Use the Wave Attack and ride it towards your foe, don't hit him/her yet.

2. While riding it, shoot the lightning breath 3 or 4 times, you can still shoot the bolts while riding a wave. Deals at least 33 or 44 damage.

3. NOW hit your opponent with the regular wave for 27 damage.

4. Use the Wow Pow (For Riley!) Splash for an additional 33 damage, and you can STILL use the bolts while splashing. It has a great Area of Effect as well.

At least 127 damage total in all 4 steps.

With the increased damage for the Lightning Bolts and the Wave, this is why Tesla Dragon is great for the Wow Pow. It should help move 2 tiers from D to B. Not a lot of Life guys in B or C, but a few fire guys. He's too fast for D and C now, he's caught up with the damage. His defense is still too low to compete with A though.

Slime Serpent, not so much. The slime is BADLY nerfed now and no increased damage for the Wave and Bolts, the trick does less damage than it would on Tesla Dragon. It's only good enough to stay in C (Series 1 should be dropped to D as well).

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Tesla Dragon S2 and Burning Bow Wow both for B!

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Vurning Bow-Bow is right because of his low HP/horrible armor. Also is stationary.

Whaddaya mean stationary? None of his attacks are stationary or force him to stop moving, not even his Comet Slam.

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I say C tier for Pyro pooch. his firewall is his only real powerful perk.

Uh hello, you can't just say "Blah Blah Blah should be in Blah Blah Blah". If you read the read the rules in Stuff to Know, you gotta give reasons on why Blah Blah Blah belongs in Blah Blah Blah or whatever, and how well they compete with that tier and the others below or above it.

Am I the only one who remembers it?

Wow, dick. Anyhow, I find pyro pooch to be OKAY at handling the melee characters of C tier., but he goes down to many of the B tier, like Melon master Camo, Conjuror Double trouble and both versions of Bouncer. He does better than most D tiers so that makes him a C tier. Learn to word ur things nicely.

Thumpback and eye brawl are total beasts. They might even need a tier for themselves. They beat every songle one of my skylanders, including DT, drill sergeant, and s2 stump smash.

What paths were they on?

Eye for an eye and anchors a yay. The eyeballs coming from the ground and bouncy bouncy are really good upgrades. For anchors a yay, he gets the 90 dmg power swing, 6 dmg sucking-in whirlpool ripper combo, and hos main combo does really nice dmg, 60, and it hits 3-4 times. Just spam his 90 dmg, hard to avoid power swing combo, and bit when they are close, and he pwns all skylanders, even eye brawl.

Did they all have equal heroics or were they wearing hats?

I know that I am making this comment really late in the game, but I really like this topic and am wondering why it is not stickied yet.
Please (sticky) this topic!!!

No heroics, no hats. Lv 11, both of them, and they kick ***. They will be better with eye brawl at 1099 health and thump at 1175 health......

As much as I think that there is a character or two that COULD go in a tier even more overpowered than S, I don't think we should put a character in his own top tier, as that would probably cause too much " WTF! Why is this character in the best tier all to themsleves, that should be THIS character!"

Thumpback is awesome, but his biggest threat is fast melee characters. Specifically, Pook Blade Stealth Elf, who can quickly close the distance and go to town. His standard melee attacks are too slow against her, so it's best to spam his chomp. Even then, his chomp isn't putting out the DPS that Stealth Elf can against him, largely thanks to her elemental advantage. I'm not saying he can't touch her, but he ends up trading blows more or less.

Other problems would be Chop Chop and Terrafin. They can really lay a beating on him as well. Granted, these are pretty broken characters, but my point is that he doesn't necessarily eclipse his fellow S-tiers to warrant some kind of "God Tier" just for him.

Eye brawls biggest weakness that i know of is thumpback. Is there any legitimate competitor besides thump?

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Eye brawls biggest weakness that i know of is thumpback. Is there any legitimate competitor besides thump?

possibly bouncer