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I simply want an explanation why this isn't possible with them.

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And all the figures should be playable on all the systems.

And I completely disagree with this. Especially because exclusives give the game broader appeal to fans of the exclusive content, which is a good thing.

What coud be broader than all systems? This is simply IP protection, plain and simple. It breaks what skylanders was all about: "cross platform family entertainment". They've broken their first rule of the core of this franchise. I am not buying an inferior Wii U system just to play 2 characters. And they've alienated many of their core fans because of this move. Assuming people will take this lying down is a bit of a huge assumption many people have. I'm still unhappy about it. There are two bonus missions I won't be able to play and there's nothing I can do about it, not to mentioned they've broken my desire to buy them all--now why bother? I sound SOOO entitled I know....but I'm sure I'm the exception, and the rest will be like lemmings to scarf up the plastic on 9/20.

My god, seriously...

This is two figures out of what, 100+?

I agree, it sucks for people who don't have Nintendo consoles. But hey, chances are if they don't have Nintendo consoles, then they don't care about Nintendo characters. So therefor them not being universally compatible is not a big deal at all.

Thanks TakeYourLemons for understanding what I was trying to say.

Do you want me to be harsh and direct?
I'll be harsh and direct then.

Infinity and Amiibos are just figures to play with games you buy separately.
NOTHING ELSE.
No lore, no ongoing comic series and no character development.

Skylanders is a bit more than a simple kid's game (or at least it used to be).
Stop comparing this series to other franchises which never pretended to be coherent with themselves and don't have fictional explanations for almost everything.

You think I don't know we are talking about plastic colored molds with chips on the inside?
They made it clear since SA's early days: "one of the major point of the series is that all the characters are compatible with all the systems. You can take your upgraded Skylander to your friend's home and keep playing as him along with your friend's characters"

You really forgot one of the focuses of the series so easily...?
I'm not going to be blinded by some fancy graphics, some cool vehicles and some amazing new characters: one of the major aspects of the series has been compromised.

You might want to keep ignoring that but this is a fact.
It's worse than Traptanium Elemental Gates, it's worse than reposed Gimmicklanders (even if Bowser and Donkey Kong are still a breath of fresh air compared to the overused crew) and it's worse than having too many things to buy which is still one of the dumbest complaints ever.

Regarding Wii U's extra functionalities, I said "figures".
All the figures (at least the characters) should be playable on all consoles because the devs said so.
Period.
I want to know why Skymiibos can't enter the Skylands from a PS4 or an XBOX ONE Portal lore-wise.

I'm amazed so many of you don't understand how this is a bad thing both for the series and the worldbuilding aspect but ok.
Guess we can only keep venerating this game without even trying to expose its objective and subjective problems.

"Vehicle fantasy, V.V. tech wizards and lore out of the window"

Okay, I originally deleted this post because I felt bad... but after thinking about it... no, somebody's got to say this.

Drek, we get it, you don't like the Skymiibos. And we're all gonna have different opinions on this subject.

But seriously man, stop talking about them like they're the worst possible thing that could ever happen to the series, because news flash, THEY'RE NOT. I'll say this again: It's two, TWO figures out of like, A HUNDRED PLUS Skylanders that can still be used on every console, so I think everyone will be able to manage! You are making a mountain out of a mole... nay, and anthill!

I mean, even if this IS the worst possible thing to happen to Skylanders, then we should probably consider ourselves lucky.

GOOD DAY SIR.

You don't have to excuse yourself or feel bad for your opinions if you can support them like you are doing but neither do I.

To me they are actually one of the worst things which could happen to the series.
I already explained why but let me clarify it: I love how Bowser and Donkey Kong play in the game, they are actually ones of the coolest and creative new playable characters around (and I think that's saying a lot)... I just greately dislike how they have been implemented.

It's right, they are 2 out of 100+ characters... As of now.
It's a bad precedent which I hope won't be repeated.

End of the story.

Facts: first non universally compatible playable characters in the series.
Opinion: nice idea, bad execution.

You all seem to keep defending freedom of speech and thought yet bash the first person which think different from you.

Have a great day too, Sir.

Personally, I think the new legendary Jet-Vac is worse.

...Okay, I'm not even going to bother following that up with a response.

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Personally, I think the new legendary Jet-Vac is worse.

Well it is indeed a lazy choice but it does make sense.
As I said in another thread Hurricane Jet-Vac is like a Jet-Vac upgrade so it make sense his Legendary counterpart became a SuperCharger too.

Kinda like Super Shot Stealth Elf got a Dark version just like her Ninja counterpart.

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Personally, I think the new legendary Jet-Vac is worse.

Well it is indeed a lazy choice but it does make sense.
As I said in another thread Hurricane Jet-Vac is like a Jet-Vac upgrade so it make sense his Legendary counterpart became a SuperCharger too.

Kinda like Super Shot Stealth Elf got a Dark version just like her Ninja counterpart.

Actually, they changed the lore of Legendary status a bit. There are still Legendary statues, but now instead it's an alt form for the Skylander, much like the other varients.

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Personally, I think the new legendary Jet-Vac is worse.

Well it is indeed a lazy choice but it does make sense.
As I said in another thread Hurricane Jet-Vac is like a Jet-Vac upgrade so it make sense his Legendary counterpart became a SuperCharger too.

Kinda like Super Shot Stealth Elf got a Dark version just like her Ninja counterpart.

Actually, they changed the lore of Legendary status a bit. There are still Legendary statues, but now instead it's an alt form for the Skylander, much like the other varients.

It's true, you can even see them in the comics!
Thanks, don't know how I could forget about it.

It makes sense.
Hurricane Jet-Vac becomes Legendary and thus a new figure is "required".
Really, I don't like the choice but it does make sense.

I doubt they were thinking that far ahead, honestly. I'm fairly certain they gave Jet-Vac another Legendary figure because he's a mascot character.

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I doubt they were thinking that far ahead, honestly. I'm fairly certain they gave Jet-Vac another Legendary figure because he's a mascot character.

Probably but they did do it right, whether they wanted to respect that canon or not.

Meta Knight and Mewtwo!

I think having a Lego Dimension X Skylanders or Disney Infinity X Skylanders crossover would be interesting, or even Lego Dimensions X Disney Infinity, LD X Amiibo, or DI X Amiibo if Disney/Lego decide to do what Skylanders did.

Also, I think Disney said they wanted Mario in DI once.

im waiting for tfb skylanders 6th now for sure...

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My god, seriously...

This is two figures out of what, 100+?

I agree, it sucks for people who don't have Nintendo consoles. But hey, chances are if they don't have Nintendo consoles, then they don't care about Nintendo characters. So therefor them not being universally compatible is not a big deal at all.

What you said has nothing to do with someone who was "vested" in the franchise, willing to go tooth and nail, who are now left with a situation they created for us. Good news for me, is unlike past years where I've "delt with it" I refuse to this time. I'm sure there are other lemmings willing to fill my spot so no big deal, right?

I actually made a list of a possible full roster of Smashlanders, and here it is.

MAGIC:
Monado Master Shulk
Aura Reader Lucario
Triforce Power Zelda
Ultimate Sorcerer Robin

TECH:
Terror Copter Bowser Jr.
Chozo Chosen Samus
Arwing Ace Fox
Block Dropper R.O.B.

WATER:
Ice Emperor Dedede
Ninja Warrior Greninja
Sea Traveler Toon Link
Ice Flower Luigi

LIFE:
Barrel Blaster Donkey Kong
Pikmin Commander Olimar
Garden Guardian Villager
Mega Muncher Pac-Man

UNDEAD:
Waft Warrior Wario
Dark Lord Ganondorf
Masked Knight Meta Knight
Fallen Angel Dark Pit

AIR:
Angelic Hero Pit
Ability Eater Kirby
Laser Zapper Duck Hunt
Pop Star Jigglypuff

FIRE:
Fire Flower Mario
Hammer Slam Bowser
Flame Breather Charizard
Aether Wielder Ike

EARTH:
Duck and Weave Little Mac
Falchion Fighter Marth
In Shape Wii Fit Trainer
Falcon Punch Captain Falcon

LIGHT:
Hero of Light Link
Psychic Boy Ness
Medicine Master Dr. Mario
Space Warrior Zero Suit Samus

DARK:
Night Watcher Sheik
Dark Bug Mr. Game & Watch
Psychic Psycho Mewtwo
Space Goddess Rosalina

I probably have to think of better names.

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Okay, I originally deleted this post because I felt bad... but after thinking about it... no, somebody's got to say this.

Drek, we get it, you don't like the Skymiibos. And we're all gonna have different opinions on this subject.

But seriously man, stop talking about them like they're the worst possible thing that could ever happen to the series, because news flash, THEY'RE NOT. I'll say this again: It's two, TWO figures out of like, A HUNDRED PLUS Skylanders that can still be used on every console, so I think everyone will be able to manage! You are making a mountain out of a mole... nay, and anthill!

I mean, even if this IS the worst possible thing to happen to Skylanders, then we should probably consider ourselves lucky.

GOOD DAY SIR.

Sure it's 2 figures, but I bought into the franchise concept. It was compromised. To me that's black and white.

Yeah, Lemons, I'm hoping for Wario and Mr. Gam and Watch too next year.

As long as Sierra's past characters get in on the action like King Graham and Leisure Suit Larry, then all will be forgiven. But all trolls must be destroyed.... hmmmm?

"Guest Stars" was Nintendo's thing, I don't see any other companies getting in on the action, not to say it's not going to happen though, I'd love to see some Crash Bandicoot skylander-ing

I'm really looking for an All-Star studded selection in the next game...I want all of the best characters from video games in the last 30 years in figure form ready to fight in skylands. I say call it All-Star Squadron. Pandora's box has been unleashed...why the hell not?

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I'm really looking for an All-Star studded selection in the next game...I want all of the best characters from video games in the last 30 years in figure form ready to fight in skylands. I say call it All-Star Squadron. Pandora's box has been unleashed...why the hell not?

I'd love that, I don't know if all the companies would be wiling to do it, but I'd love it, it'd be worth buying the figure even if I didn't get the game, at least for me,
Imagine if Skylanders Guest Stars could be like Amiibo, and have toy figures of Crash Bandicoot, Banjo-Kazooie characters, and many more, it could get people not interested in Skylanders, well, interested in it, and people who just want toys of their favourite video game characters could buy it too,

I would love Charizard tbh

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I want to know why Skymiibos can't enter the Skylands from a PS4 or an XBOX ONE Portal lore-wise.

How do you explain two Gill Grunts entering Skylands at the same time via the same portal, lore-wise?


DK and Bowser are easy to explain. They simply don't exist in the Playstation/Xbox version of Skylands' reality. The Playstation/Xbox versions portray a slightly different universe with a slightly different lore that does not include DK and Bowser. The lore isn't screwed up at all, it's just slightly different between versions.


Two Gill Grunts, however...how does that happen? Makes zero sense lore-wise. So should they make an arbitrary restriction that prevents kids from using duplicate Skylanders when playing co-op with eachother?

Not all can be explained lore-wise.
Two identical characters being played in co-op could be explained by Portal Masters' powers over time and space able to make two copies of a single Skylander coexsist at the same time.
But I'm not sure there is an explanation for that.

However universal compatibility is what this series is about.
Characters wiped away from their world, shrunken down and frozen to look like toys but able to come back if placed on a special Portal of Power.
All the games SuperChargers included start with this idea in mind.

I would accept the explanation you gave but I want to "hear" it from the devs themselves.
Put it in the game's introduction, make an issue of the comics, simply answer it in an interview... I don't care how but I want to hear why.

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I simply want an explanation why this isn't possible with them.

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And all the figures should be playable on all the systems.

And I completely disagree with this. Especially because exclusives give the game broader appeal to fans of the exclusive content, which is a good thing.

There are two bonus missions I won't be able to play and there's nothing I can do about it

That's a lie! you've admitted to knowing what it is that you CAN do about it!

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I am not buying an inferior Wii U system just to play 2 characters.

You just don't want to do it!

An option you don't like is STILL an option.

Sell out and buy a Wii u, or sell out and buy the game. Either way, you're a sellout and someone's getting your money and you're not happy about it.

You sound like a spoiled child for wanting something you can't have just because someone else gets it.
Pretend they never existed in the first place. Because the only difference is that someone else gets it. If they never existed, you STILL wouldn't have it, but wouldn't be complaining. You lose NOTHING from Nintendo players getting it, you just don't GAIN anything, so stop feeling cheated. Be happy for those that DO get it, because it's better than making happy people upset by whining about it.

Do what everyone else has begun doing and buy the Sony or Microsoft systems for the power, and the Nintendo system for the library. Look, a serious gamer cares more about a full library than specs, so you'd be a scrub for refusing to buy the "inferior" specs because those specs are the ONLY way to experience half of the good games out there legally. Don't be a graphic hoe, be a library hoe instead.

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I'm really looking for an All-Star studded selection in the next game...I want all of the best characters from video games in the last 30 years in figure form ready to fight in skylands. I say call it All-Star Squadron. Pandora's box has been unleashed...why the hell not?

I'd love that, I don't know if all the companies would be wiling to do it, but I'd love it, it'd be worth buying the figure even if I didn't get the game, at least for me,
Imagine if Skylanders Guest Stars could be like Amiibo, and have toy figures of Crash Bandicoot, Banjo-Kazooie characters, and many more, it could get people not interested in Skylanders, well, interested in it, and people who just want toys of their favourite video game characters could buy it too,

Crash wouldn't be the Sony rep on the grounds that the same third party company owns them as the one that owns spyro. The same one as the one that makes THIS game. If anything, he'd be a regular, like spyro.
ALSO like spyro, he may have made his DEBUT on PlayStation, but he's since crossed over to other systems. Spyro: Orange and Crashurple were BOTH exclusive to GameBoy Advance.

Can we agree that Kirby is the most likely at this rate?

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Can we agree that Kirby is the most likely at this rate?

What makes you say that? Bowser and DK were chosen because they were Guha Bala's favourites, isn't that right?

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Can we agree that Kirby is the most likely at this rate?

What makes you say that? Bowser and DK were chosen because they were Guha Bala's favourites, isn't that right?

I agree this thread is totally useless considering #5 hasn't come out yet and the verdict of it's success is not guaranteed.

And the fact TFB never really disclosed any preferences for other games, except maybe Dungeons and Dragons which was really just because Paul Reiche III worked on that series in the past. For all we know they're fans of other companies.

Not sure why everyone thinks the devs are using the fracnhise for it's own playing ground for franchises they like...there's the corporate deals and handshakes that has to happen to make this kind of stuff reality. I'd go so far as to say that Activision owes Nintendo a large part of its success (just look at Starter Sales) and that it's likely this arrangement MIGHT be extended in the future...but considering every hope has been dashed on stuff I'VE WANTED...I wouldn't hold your breath. Enjoy the NOW please.

Well, that's what they're doing, in SF and TT it felt like a tug of war for what each side thought was better. VV mostly seems to have settled down with leaving some of TFB's changes in this time, but it still doesn't change the fact that their fanboyism was what brought up the idea of amiibolanders in the first place. If TFB will settle for what's around already or try new things as well, we'll learn March and foward.

Yep, it does feel more synergistic in that regard...competition is great, but shouldn't disrupt the flow of our experiences. Recall that VV's inclusion of Giant treasure chests in Swap Force was unexpected and huge...they've always given me the impression that they "try harder". My .02.

...Even if they're pretty much lazy and just a 'oh let's give Giants guys one thing so you don't complain they're useless'. It's have been the same as if TT added a Swappability Totem or something of the sort, it's just some gold and the game has plenty of other sources for it.

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Can we agree that Kirby is the most likely at this rate?

What makes you say that? Bowser and DK were chosen because they were Guha Bala's favourites, isn't that right?

He already has a sklander-ish feel.

While I'm personally fine with no extras for older gimmicks (Gimmicklanders are the stars only in their own games, got it) I would undoubtedly like if they could actually integrate them better in newer games.

I would simply want if they could focus less on the gimmicks and more on the general game to make ALL the characters worth the compatibility while still fully supporting older figures.
Guess what we got in SuperChargers?
An incredible focus on the new gimmick (to the point it is needed to proceed in Story Mode) and some of last year's figures' use greately reduced!

What's not to love?

It depends on how many starter packs they move for the Nintendo systems. If it's substantial compared the other consoles, I can see them including other Nintendo characters in the future, or even include Sony/Microsoft characters on their consoles, too.

If it happens, some likely candidates:

Nintendo - Yoshi, Kirby, Toad, various Pokemon.
Microsoft - Banjo Kazooie, Blinx.
Sony - Sly Cooper, Ratchet & Clank, Sackboy.

You can think of the skymiibos as test for the concept of guest stars in future installments. Nintendo has made costly decisions with the wii u and 3ds all to some degree losing money for 3-4 years with 2015 being a more positive year for Nintendo and a possibility for why the company is leasing out its IP to activision and v.v . If the incentive of two exclusive characters help boost sales for them it will generate the proof, figures or numbers needed for activision to approach other console companies with ideas of skylandering there in house IP, Sony has understood this concept with its deal with disney and there Sony exsclusive starter packs. I can understand why some are disgruntled by the fact you can't play dk and bowser outside of a Nintendo console it can leave some feeling left out and as some feel it betrays the whole foundation of the series like the game is rigged in favor of Nintendo users. If all goes well next year nintendo players will be complaining about how they can't play so and so because it is only for x game system or perhaps it all goes wrong and a lack of sales dismantles the concept and it is scrapped and only to be rembered as the greates crossover to ever fail only we the portal masters (and our wallets) can ultimately decide the fate of this inter dimension conundrum brought to us courtesy of v.v, Nintendo and activision.

Huh, watching a LP of Paper Mario TTYD, what a coincidence. In the same game Bowser is playable on his own (despite claims from GB that it never happened in the series), one of Luigi's adventures in saving Princess Eclair according to him involved supercharged vehicles with weapons attached to them.

Sure, Luigi being human would be in the way for him being an amiibolander, but just something funny to note. Maybe his Spiny partner with the super wrench spike could've come in his place since he actually owns a vehicle.

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Huh, watching a LP of Paper Mario TTYD, what a coincidence. In the same game Bowser is playable on his own (despite claims from GB that it never happened in the series), one of Luigi's adventures in saving Princess Eclair according to him involved supercharged vehicles with weapons attached to them.

Sure, Luigi being human would be in the way for him being an amiibolander, but just something funny to note. Maybe his Spiny partner with the super wrench spike could've come in his place since he actually owns a vehicle.

GB means that Bowser has never been playable in a 3D environment not that he's never been playable. Skylanders Superchargers is the first game ever where Bowser is playable in a 3D.

Well, Thousand-Year Door is still between 3d and 2d, you just walk around the space as a sprite(actually a super thin model) instead of the usual way - though the Bowser sections are fully 2d most of the time.

It's not the Treehouse interview I'm refering to, it's to another in some language I forgot where he says he had yet to see Bowser play on his own(probably refering to MK).

I think that the best is to create multi-platform Guest Stars, so everyone can play as then.

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...Even if they're pretty much lazy and just a 'oh let's give Giants guys one thing so you don't complain they're useless'. It's have been the same as if TT added a Swappability Totem or something of the sort, it's just some gold and the game has plenty of other sources for it.

I'll be the first to admit it's a token effort...but I recall TfB dropping PvP and quests...not VV... so who's trying harder in the fan service dept?

Whoever's got the most development time to actually implement all the shiny stuf. We don't know the inner workings of the offices, TFB could have less manpower or something.

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Whoever's got the most development time to actually implement all the shiny stuf. We don't know the inner workings of the offices, TFB could have less manpower or something.

Well, dev time is equal...last time I checked they both get two years. It's down to talent, I'm afraid.

Equal on the larger scope. I mean other projects in between, who spends more time wprking on the portal tech instead of the game,etc. TT has so much cut things it feels like they spent most of the time trying to create the Villain Vault and when the time came for polish and extra things (like PVP) they had to axe it.
Can't forget that the vault also had to be made with the VA lines already, with around 40 actors it's a lot of room for delay.

Development time doesn't seem to affect figures too much though. Probably because that keeping the same engine every time means you just have to tweak the models if at all if you change your mind on someone(like Sun Dragon to Camo). Guest star skylanders probably wouldn't be affected any more by delays than normal figures, unless the company that owns them is being unresponsive.

If there is skymiibo single packs then someone without a Nintendo device will buy it not realising that they only work on Nintendo devices!
It would be like fishing for dirt and using money as bait (I just made up that simile )

In my opinion, future games may not have guest stars (or at least, not too often) UNLESS they are able to be used on every console.
Think of it like this: Spyro and Cynder are the only Skylanders who are from other games. One could consider those guest stars who later became regulars to the lineup. DK and Bowser probably can't share the status of regular due to being Nintendo exclusives. The chances of them returning as Series 2 are extremely unlikely.
If more guest stars are to appear, then they would most likely be ones in which Activision can obtain the rights to (or at least permission to use) who can also be used across multiple platforms. In my opinion, Crash Bandicoot is more likely to be a guest star who can be promoted to a regular than any other character. Not only do Activision own the rights to him, but he also has a good design to fit into the Skylanders universe. Similarly, he also has ties to the Spyro Universe (Spyro and Crash Fusion had the two joining forces, Crash Twinsanity had a cameo by Spyro, and Spyro even joined Crash in Nitro Kart).

tldr: Guest stars will most likely only appear in one game unless they can be played in all versions. Crash is most likely for a guest star for all versions. Guest stars unlikely to return frequently.

As long as the wiiu/wii/3ds starter sells we will get more nintendo ones.