darkSpyro

In a way, yes although that statement is oversimplifying the issue.
I would say "Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence."

observer Jesus once said "Bleesed are those who beleave without seeing" so you on one hand need to see to beleave in it right

That philosophy is extremely self-destructive, where would the world go if everyone believed everything they're told?
If you don't ask for evidence, specially for outrageous claims (There was once a god-man who died and came back to life. He is now in heaven with his father who is also he.), how would you differentiate what's true and what's false.

um LOOK there have been continuis miricals that have occured in this world that prove the existance of Jesus such as the mirical that the eucarist floated in mid air or The Virgine Mary appearing to 3 childeren or dead people coming back to life after diying and seeing God and heaven or mabey even a 5 year old being pulled out of the way of a speeding car by Jesus himself or a 4 year old surviving brain cancer after a vision of Jesus or the face of Jesus appearing in the sky or the inside of an apple or on a tree or on the walls of a church and if you still dont beleave than lucifer has won yor soul when you (IF YOU) get to hell you shall wish you had listend to me. i am just trying to warn you before it's too late HEED THE WARNING or you will regret it...REGRET IT!!!...

That´s not what I would call evidence... When did this happen? Where did this happen? What kind of people saw it? Where it told by mouth or written down?

I want to give you guys a piece of philosophy.

Philosophy started as a way of reasoning out things, explaining them so that others can agree.

Thousands of years ago, there were no dictionaries, and everyone just kind of went with the flow to learn things. The problem with this was that is was very easy to disagree on the special subjects. By special, I mean the ones you can't touch.

Like happiness. Virtue. Purpose. Meaning. Philosophy was born to make definitions of such things, so that everybody could agree. Two thousand years, and philosophy is still working on it.

Philosophy gave birth to science. Science did things even more thoroughly, so as not to leave any doubt. But this means one important thing: its reach is even more limited than that of philosophy.

Science's purpose isn't to find out what exists and not. It is to find out as much as can be found out. Then science hands over the rest to philosophy. Philosophy does its part to fill in the gaps, but where philosophy can't make sense of things either, the remainder is left where it's been these two thousand years: in ambiguity.

The modern world, however, loves science so much that the radical attitude of scientism is very wide-spread. Scientism (not scientology) is the belief that what science can't touch, doesn't exist. This is not a neutral or objective belief.

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Quote: Cerapter

You may have a hard time ahead of you, torok. Your faith is strong, but it is tainted by seeds of fear and hatred. You should learn to know what is most important of "faith" and "good".

Faith saves your immortal soul, I hear.

It's the most selfish thing I ever heard.

wait i dont hate anything exept evil and i dont uderstand what's so selfish about it

"In love, your enemy is your greatest teacher." Hatred is an evil, even when it is hatred towards evil. Hate things if you want to, but do not hate for the sake of good. Then you've misunderstood the message.

And I think it's selfish because faith alone does not require good. I do not want to go to heaven if I do not deserve it. That'd be cheating. Since I'm no good judge of my own actions, I don't think I should be the one to decide whether I go to heaven or not. I think it should sound like this:

"Do your best, and you just might go to heaven!"

This should be closed really
Its gone way to off topic

Quote: Cerapter

I want to give you guys a piece of philosophy.

Philosophy started as a way of reasoning out things, explaining them so that others can agree.

Thousands of years ago, there were no dictionaries, and everyone just kind of went with the flow to learn things. The problem with this was that is was very easy to disagree on the special subjects. By special, I mean the ones you can't touch.

Like happiness. Virtue. Purpose. Meaning. Philosophy was born to make definitions of such things, so that everybody could agree. Two thousand years, and philosophy is still working on it.

Philosophy gave birth to science. Science did things even more thoroughly, so as not to leave any doubt. But this means one important thing: its reach is even more limited than that of philosophy.

Science's purpose isn't to find out what exists and not. It is to find out as much as can be found out. Then science hands over the rest to philosophy. Philosophy does its part to fill in the gaps, but where philosophy can't make sense of things either, the remainder is left where it's been these two thousand years: in ambiguity.

The modern world, however, loves science so much that the radical attitude of scientism is very wide-spread. Scientism (not scientology) is the belief that what science can't touch, doesn't exist. This is not a neutral or objective belief.

Quote: torok

Quote: Cerapter

You may have a hard time ahead of you, torok. Your faith is strong, but it is tainted by seeds of fear and hatred. You should learn to know what is most important of "faith" and "good".

Faith saves your immortal soul, I hear.

It's the most selfish thing I ever heard.

wait i dont hate anything exept evil and i dont uderstand what's so selfish about it

"In love, your enemy is your greatest teacher." Hatred is an evil, even when it is hatred towards evil. Hate things if you want to, but do not hate for the sake of good. Then you've misunderstood the message.

And I think it's selfish because faith alone does not require good. I do not want to go to heaven if I do not deserve it. That'd be cheating. Since I'm no good judge of my own actions, I don't think I should be the one to decide whether I go to heaven or not. I think it should sound like this:

"Do your best, and you just might go to heaven!"

So there are no other elements? Dark matter doesn't exist? We know everything to do with the brain? How big is a giant squid? Why does a bumble bee fly? Do we know everything?

Quote: Cerapter

The modern world, however, loves science so much that the radical attitude of scientism is very wide-spread. Scientism (not scientology) is the belief that what science can't touch, doesn't exist. This is not a neutral or objective belief.

That's not the case at all! Science simply doesn't acknowledge what it cannot prove. It doesn't reject it with absolute certainty. Absolute certainty is something characteristic for religion.

Quote: Cerapter

"In love, your enemy is your greatest teacher." Hatred is an evil, even when it is hatred towards evil. Hate things if you want to, but do not hate for the sake of good. Then you've misunderstood the message.

And I think it's selfish because faith alone does not require good. I do not want to go to heaven if I do not deserve it. That'd be cheating. Since I'm no good judge of my own actions, I don't think I should be the one to decide whether I go to heaven or not. I think it should sound like this:

"Do your best, and you just might go to heaven!"

I agree with the first point, but not with the second one.

Quote: Ice Bane

I belive in dragons

Yay. I'm not the only one!!
Dark matter must be real, otherwise it doesn't make sense.
I'm an athiest, but I believe that there is something after death. Whether that be heaven, reincarnation, or whatever.
Also, I don't understand the concept of religion. All it does is lead to war as far as I've heard. And if god was real and actually loved us, he would stop all of the pain and suffering.

Quote: torok

um LOOK there have been continuis miricals that have occured in this world that prove the existance of Jesus such as the mirical that the eucarist floated in mid air or The Virgine Mary appearing to 3 childeren or dead people coming back to life after diying and seeing God and heaven or mabey even a 5 year old being pulled out of the way of a speeding car by Jesus himself or a 4 year old surviving brain cancer after a vision of Jesus or the face of Jesus appearing in the sky or the inside of an apple or on a tree or on the walls of a church and if you still dont beleave than lucifer has won yor soul when you (IF YOU) get to hell you shall wish you had listend to me. i am just trying to warn you before it's too late HEED THE WARNING or you will regret it...REGRET IT!!!...

Hearsay is not evidence... and neither are threats.
If I tell you that you will go to Hell if you do not wear green socks and pay me 100$, would you believe me? No?
Well, in that case, you are starting to see my position.

Quote: Observer

Quote: torok

um LOOK there have been continuis miricals that have occured in this world that prove the existance of Jesus such as the mirical that the eucarist floated in mid air or The Virgine Mary appearing to 3 childeren or dead people coming back to life after diying and seeing God and heaven or mabey even a 5 year old being pulled out of the way of a speeding car by Jesus himself or a 4 year old surviving brain cancer after a vision of Jesus or the face of Jesus appearing in the sky or the inside of an apple or on a tree or on the walls of a church and if you still dont beleave than lucifer has won yor soul when you (IF YOU) get to hell you shall wish you had listend to me. i am just trying to warn you before it's too late HEED THE WARNING or you will regret it...REGRET IT!!!...

Hearsay is not evidence... and neither are threats.
If I tell you that you will go to Hell if you do not wear green socks and pay me 100$, would you believe me? No?
Well, in that case, you are starting to see my position.

Ah, but the disscusion about wether God exists or not has been around for 1000's of years. But not wearing green socks and paying you 100$

Quote: Tango

You belive what you belive.

I belive what I belive.


I'll laugh at you when your in hell.

*laghes*

God i feel like saying how off topic this is to dark52

this topic is going nowhere might as well show him

i belive in god and life affter deth but well like tango said you belive in hat you belive like the fighting muslims and hindus fighting over god i belive god wants us to love over him not fight

im a christan but....
i think all religions hold a part of the truth.

Quote: Cynder1

this topic is going nowhere might as well show him

Oh, i already PM'd him about it.....

I meant to say that if science was all there was, then there would be no science. Yes, we find things that we never knew was there. That's one of the brilliances of science. But there are also things we know are there, that science can't puzzle out.

I'm actually a physics major. And that might be exactly why I don't trust so much in science. I know what science is really like.

But hey, it's not that important. I got a bit carried away because I'm taking a university level philosophy course, and I really just wanted you to share my small revelations concerning the role of science. It's still just an opinion, though.

Let's give the discussion a rest, shall we? These things are often better to mull over alone.

Well, if dark52 comes on and reads the PM, you gonna have to.....

I know how gig giant squid are!

Quote: Ice Bane

I know how gig giant squid are!

Prove it, go down and mesure one. Books can lie, so can people and nearly everything else.

Quote: Tango

Ah, but the disscusion about wether God exists or not has been around for 1000's of years. But not wearing green socks and paying you 100$

Hinduism is older than Christianity, does it make it more true.
Just because something is old, it doesn't make it true

Quote: Cynder1

Quote: Tango

You belive what you belive.

I belive what I belive.


I'll laugh at you when your in hell.

*laghes*

You're rally heartless if you find the idea of someone in Hell amusing.

Quote: Tango

Quote: Ice Bane

I know how gig giant squid are!

Prove it, go down and mesure one. Books can lie, so can people and nearly everything else.

You're trying to discredit science through extreme empiricism.
You cannot claim that ALL claims that you hear are completely worthless if you cannot test them on the spot. You've seen a normal squid, you know that sea creatures can be pretty big, and there are no viable reasons for someone to trick you into believing that gigantic squids exist, when they really don't. Although you haven't seen a gigantic squid, a possibility that one exists is not unreasonable based on your prior knowledge.
And although dark matter (atom, gravity, a black hole) can't be seen, its effects can be measured, it MANIFESTS in the real world.
And if you wish, you can measure them whenever you want.

And this topic has gone way off topic.

Quote: Observer

Quote: Tango

Ah, but the disscusion about wether God exists or not has been around for 1000's of years. But not wearing green socks and paying you 100$

Hinduism is older than Christianity, does it make it more true.
Just because something is old, it doesn't make it true

your sort of right there observer

Quote: Cynder_fan

And this topic has gone way off topic.

i agree

This topic should we closed guys. It will just start wars among people. Close or delete it. If you want to discuss religeon, do it in PMs.

very well

Fine with me.

closing the topic PM me if you want to talk