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Zer0dch, I don't know what you want from me TBH. The last 5 days I have not had a single reported post in S&N, and I appreciate everyone in S&N for that. Now I know I take jokes too seriously sometimes, and I have admitted to in the past publicly that I acknowledge that and try my damnedest not take jokes as serious anymore. Now, you've said to me that I take thing's "far fetched" on my GB. Now I know that you've based this on my "post history" and I find that funny because, while yes, I can take things too seriously and I can come as stand off-ish, and I know that, I do have a sense of humor. I can be funny and I can be light-hearted. I know that I have ****ed up in the past, and I have admitted to that, but you can't blindly say that I have ONLY done any moderation when it comes to the Windumup girlfriend situation.

People have already defended me and pointed out my faults in this thread, so I don't need to go over those. In the end, if no one reports posts to me, and no one PM's me about any posts that potentially violate the rules, then I really can't do anything other than skim threads to make sure nothing bad is going on.

As for enforcing the rules, it's more lenient in S&N, and I do take it as such. If people spam in Idle Chatter, I would take more action in there than in Stuff and Nonsense.

In the end. I try my best, and I **** up, and I succeed. I dedicate a portion of my day to check this place. The longest I took off from the site was 1 week, and that was due to my HDD corrupting.

Maybe since you constantly "**** up" you aren't fit to be a moderator. A lot of users besides myself tend to think this of you. I've noticed you always take emotions into play whenever modding the forum.

About the moderate feature, I'm sure enough people use it to take notice?

Just because JCW ****s up some of the time. Doesn't mean he's not fit for the job. Hell he improved a lot after being elected as mod. What a lot of users are actually talking about? I've only seen you and probably 1 other person complain about JCW. Plus mods are human, not machines, of course they would occasionally **** up and get a little emotional. That's life for ya. Also JCW is the most active mod on the forums (unlike the Favorited HIR. Or as I see it.) without JCW, I think half of DarkSpyro's sections would be pretty ****ed up right now.

I think you meant the report feature. Which I kind of doubt people used it at all in the past days since there was no flame/religion/ anything irritating or cause irritation for a while. Plus JCW did say in SnN (That being 1 section), I'm sure there was other reported posts in the other sections that he moderates.

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Zer0dch, I don't know what you want from me TBH. The last 5 days I have not had a single reported post in S&N, and I appreciate everyone in S&N for that. Now I know I take jokes too seriously sometimes, and I have admitted to in the past publicly that I acknowledge that and try my damnedest not take jokes as serious anymore. Now, you've said to me that I take thing's "far fetched" on my GB. Now I know that you've based this on my "post history" and I find that funny because, while yes, I can take things too seriously and I can come as stand off-ish, and I know that, I do have a sense of humor. I can be funny and I can be light-hearted. I know that I have ****ed up in the past, and I have admitted to that, but you can't blindly say that I have ONLY done any moderation when it comes to the Windumup girlfriend situation.

People have already defended me and pointed out my faults in this thread, so I don't need to go over those. In the end, if no one reports posts to me, and no one PM's me about any posts that potentially violate the rules, then I really can't do anything other than skim threads to make sure nothing bad is going on.

As for enforcing the rules, it's more lenient in S&N, and I do take it as such. If people spam in Idle Chatter, I would take more action in there than in Stuff and Nonsense.

In the end. I try my best, and I **** up, and I succeed. I dedicate a portion of my day to check this place. The longest I took off from the site was 1 week, and that was due to my HDD corrupting.

Maybe since you constantly "**** up" you aren't fit to be a moderator. A lot of users besides myself tend to think this of you. I've noticed you always take emotions into play whenever modding the forum.

About the moderate feature, I'm sure enough people use it to take notice?

Just because JCW ****s up some of the time. Doesn't mean he's not fit for the job. Hell he improved a lot after being elected as mod. What a lot of users are actually talking about? I've only seen you and probably 1 other person complain about JCW. Plus mods are human, not machines, of course they would occasionally **** up and get a little emotional. That's life for ya. Also JCW is the most active mod on the forums (unlike the Favorited HIR. Or as I see it.) without JCW, I think half of DarkSpyro's sections would be pretty ****ed up right now.

I think you meant the report feature. Which I kind of doubt people used it at all in the past days since there was no flame/religion/ anything irritating or cause irritation for a while. Plus JCW did say in SnN (That being 1 section), I'm sure there was other reported posts in the other sections that he moderates.

The problem is whenever I see JCW mentioned its only about his emotions getting in the way of moddderating. I also simply think he isn;t that great of a mod.

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Maybe since you constantly "**** up" you aren't fit to be a moderator. A lot of users besides myself tend to think this of you. I've noticed you always take emotions into play whenever modding the forum.

About the moderate feature, I'm sure enough people use it to take notice?

Just because JCW ****s up some of the time. Doesn't mean he's not fit for the job. Hell he improved a lot after being elected as mod. What a lot of users are actually talking about? I've only seen you and probably 1 other person complain about JCW. Plus mods are human, not machines, of course they would occasionally **** up and get a little emotional. That's life for ya. Also JCW is the most active mod on the forums (unlike the Favorited HIR. Or as I see it.) without JCW, I think half of DarkSpyro's sections would be pretty ****ed up right now.

I think you meant the report feature. Which I kind of doubt people used it at all in the past days since there was no flame/religion/ anything irritating or cause irritation for a while. Plus JCW did say in SnN (That being 1 section), I'm sure there was other reported posts in the other sections that he moderates.

The problem is whenever I see JCW mentioned its only about his emotions getting in the way of moddderating. I also simply think he isn;t that great of a mod.

Aw, but if you compare him to the other mods like Gillgrunt and Spyro D for example

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GillGrunt is way too young and immature for such a position. He did abuse is gnorc power, once if I recall correctly. Made alts for very stupid reasons (Remember the Slenderman account he made?). And barely does his duty as far as I see. Plus he has stickied a topic that didn't deserve the sticky, it was like all the other topics in fandom. Honestly he's just too young and not so active to be in a mod's position and I believe he needs to put off.

SpyroD on the other paw, I know he doesn't really go to the fandom section nor does he have the technology to use his mod powers often. Though back then he actually abused his delete post power just to keep a thread alive in the RP section. Plus he did say to me that he can't pick up the pace with Fandom anyways. Though he's not really doing a fair job on RP either, which he says is from "irl issues". And if that is the case than why did he sign up to be a mod? If you can't handle the assigned sections that Dark put you in then don't be a mod at all and let someone else do a better job. I mean honestly you cannot be a mod if you cannot do your responsibilities on the site. You're supposed to leave some IRL issues behind when doing your job. But you can feel free to vent them out. What I'm saying is you can't be a mod if your irl issues get in the way all the time. So basically saying if you can't properly take care of your dog, than give them to someone else that will.

But now with SpyroD being inactive thanks to boot camp I really think he's a weak mod that kind of needs a removal. (Yeah older mod topic, with some facts about the fandom mods in there.)

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If wakka isn't a mod anymore, good. I remember earlier this year she gnorc'd a user because they said they didn't really care about anyone on this site. Probably the most pathetic reason to temporarily ban someone. What did she want to achieve? I'll force some unknown person on the internet who doesn't care about us to love me?

That's............pretty hypocritical.

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Maybe since you constantly "**** up" you aren't fit to be a moderator. A lot of users besides myself tend to think this of you. I've noticed you always take emotions into play whenever modding the forum.

About the moderate feature, I'm sure enough people use it to take notice?

I can name a few mods that have ****ed up.

JCW doesn't really **** up. At least not enough to where he should be considered a bad mod, or where he apparently has the ire of everybody in the section (he doesn't). He may not be the most consistently good mod but he also handles the most active section outside of Skylanders (and more than half of the rest of the forum) and has proven himself to be the best in the world at what he does.

I've had several of my posts moderated that didn't need to be. Plus one certain mod removed my post that was relevant to the topic, other users had said it without being removed and was not offensive. They were a very bad mod IMO. Most mods on ds are pretty bad.

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If wakka isn't a mod anymore, good. I remember earlier this year she gnorc'd a user because they said they didn't really care about anyone on this site. Probably the most pathetic reason to temporarily ban someone. What did she want to achieve? I'll force some unknown person on the internet who doesn't care about us to love me?

That's............pretty hypocritical.

Are you talking about me or Wakka?

He'll be talking about waka.

I don't really have any opinion on what the mods have done; except that HIR/bionicle/JCW seem to be the best mods, and that Matteo seems to have improved somewhat, since I haven't seen him do anything like this again (but maybe I just missed something).

I haven't seen enough of certain mods to give a fair judgement of wether I'd demote them. I have seen members who I'd make into mods of the Skylanders section over Matteo (though haven't seen much of other sections, so don't know about mods for them).

I think we should push for the rules to be revamped first. Then members in a mod position won't have to think about what deserves modding as much and will know how to mod stuff correctly. Plus, then non-Hunter members who read the rules and follow them will know what to do, and the mods will have to deal with modding a bit less. Some rules- especially no advertising- are also horribly undefined (and seriously no advertising isn't like no flaming where it's common curtosey and shouldn't have to be expanded upon). Not saying that would solve all the issues and a great mod could judge without rule guidelines, though I think it would make it easier for them.

Oh yeah but dark should definitely demote the mods who resigned and got replaced asap. Just lazy that he hasn't, he's had plenty of time to, and I doubt it's time-consuming or difficult.

I'll say this cause no one else has in this topic.

Wild's cool.

As most people have said before, JCW/HIR/Bionicle are the best mods on the site. I haven't seen Matteo outside of Skylanders, and he is (IMO) the best mod for that section. How many mods are we down, though? Waka, SpyroD, ItsJustMe? Correct? I think so. Anyway, Gill shouldn't be a mod. I have nothing against him personally, but he certainly is not a great mod.

Maybe it's time for a second mod enrollment?

Outside HIR and JCW I haven't seen much activity from much of the moderators. I've only seen a few cases that involved the other mods, but that's mainly because I haven't really been in the individual spyro forums and I never go into the skylanders ones(so I can't judge how well Matteo does in that section).

For the most part I agree with what most people are saying. HIR, Bionicle, and JCW are probably the best on this site. Have mods like JCW and Matteo messed up? Yes, and it's bound to happen again because we're all human. What's important is that JCW learns from his mistakes, as he posted earlier in this topic. I don't know about Matteo though. As I said, I haven't seen his activity.

I can definitely agree that we need an updated mod list. The defunct mods need to be downgraded, and we need more mods that will do their job better like most people have said. Dark52 is a great admin, what with being dedicated enough to keep the site running for almost a decade, but he needs to do a better job at handling and choosing mods.

The mod applications were released back on December 21, 2012. I remember Dark saying that if the world didn't end on that date, he would hire mods. Looking back, I can't tell if he really was joking or if he really did just hire mods because he made a deal with the users.

So, has the consensus among the longstanding users become that I don't do anything? I can definitely say that was true when I was only handling General and Idle Chatter because literally nothing happened there, but that's simply not the case anymore. I always check the report queue when I first come onto the site and there are usually about a half dozen things to look into. (Thanks to those of you who have been using the report button consistently.) And I usually need to go look at Personal Thoughts right afterward, since there's probably been 2-3 new pages since the last time I was on.

I'll admit that I don't say anything to other users when I do make some sort of change. I don't feel like there's any reason to publicly mention that someone's post or topic got deleted/moved/etc. If you really do disagree with an action I took or want to request something, I've always said that you can just PM me. A few users do send PMs about these sorts of things on a regular basis. But I don't get a lot of them. Speaking of which...

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I have also noticed mods here tend to have a friendly bias against some members.

If this isn't meant to apply to me than, whoops, my bad. Otherwise, I have to say that, personally, it's tough to have bias when you're not sure you have friends on the site to begin with. Sure, people will say that some of my posts are funny and that I was good host of a forum game for a little while. But I really doubt there's anyone on the site who would say "Yes, HIR is one of my friends here." Maybe brawler and wspyro, since they (along with Razz) are probably the only users who consistently respond to posts I make anyway.

Perhaps that does mean I'm not fit for the job. After all, it's good for the mod to have ties to the online community if he or she is going to monitor it. "But HIR, everyone made all those topics about you in 2013!" Yeah, I think that was just the fun trend at the time. And I'm pretty sure that wound up costing me the few friends I did have from 2012. That's life, I guess.

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And HIR is pretty good too, but I think he often takes things too seriously sometimes. Not really sure, though, since he hasn't been as active as of late.

I feel like if I was taking things too seriously, we'd have a lot more deleted posts and topics on our hands and people complaining I "Can't take a joke."

I just want to make clear that I don't tend to view moderating Stuff & Nonsense as a black and white case. It's become such a smorgasbord of topics that I tend to treat things as a case by case basis. I know you newer members don't like the "Back in the day spiel" but I feel like I should stress that this board USED to be for spam and silly topics. Up until 2010, posts in here didn't even register on your post count. I don't know what happened between March '10 and June '11 that turned the board into what it now is and I'll never find out because all of those topics are gone into the ether.

I will admit I tend to give topics that the OP meant to be taken seriously a more thorough look over than the nonsense topics that make up a large chunk of the board. So that's probably where the double standard might exist. Awesomerockets, I can say that I deleted your dark army hijacking post. And I seem to recall that you posted that in a somber, more serious topic, whereas the other posts were in topics that had already turned into S&N randomness. I wish people would move their serious topics over to Idle Chatter, but they don't want to. Heck, I moved the Leaving/Returning thread from Idle Chatter to this board to stop the ragequitting topics (although that had mixed success). But if I took the more authoritarian route and just started moving the serious topics (including Personal Thoughts AND Confessions) all over to Idle Chatter, I'm sure most of the board would be up and arms. I believe it was CAV who said the beauty of the current S&N board comes from the wide variety of topics that we have.

The other thing worth noting is that this board moves very fast. Nearly all the topics are as good as dead when they reach the second topic page. Yes, a couple may get bumped here and there and sometimes I can be quick enough on the draw to zap them. Other times they get a dozen new posts. And I understand that some people think there is TOO MUCH spam in this board and it needs to die down. But the level of spam compared to earlier years hasn't really changed. The difference is there are serious topics here now, which didn't happen in the old Spam Central.

Now, to address the "attitude" bit that I know has been brought up. There is technically no rule against taking up an attitude. This is a text-based forum, so some people are going to use the text to convey exactly how they're feeling. A lot of the time, it's a string of asterisks to show anger. I believe, again, that the line between an angry response and flaming/harassing someone doesn't really exist. There are some really obvious cases, but then there are the ones that require a bit more thought. If a post gets reported, I do read the whole topic (or the pages leading up to the post if it's a topic like Personal Thoughts) to get the big picture and then make a decision.

Any way you slice it, I know I'm not going to have a 100% approval rating and everything I do will be scrutinized by at least one person. I applied because I figured the few friends I had on the site would still enjoy interacting with me if I got picked, and not get scared away. If I had known getting picked would turn me into a trend for much of 2013 and cost me those friends I wouldn't have put in the application in the first place. But, you can't change the past. So I'll just forge on ahead. If you disagree with something I did, you're welcome to PM me... or make a topic if you really want the S&N community backing you up.

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I will admit I tend to give topics that the OP meant to be taken seriously a more thorough look over than the nonsense topics that make up a large chunk of the board. So that's probably where the double standard might exist. Awesomerockets, I can say that I deleted your dark army hijacking post. And I seem to recall that you posted that in a somber, more serious topic, whereas the other posts were in topics that had already turned into S&N randomness.

Alright, thanks for clearing that up. I feel better about it now.

*fast reads every post* ah

All in favor of a secondary Head Admin being coronated? dark52 needs an understudy/successor/whatever.
And for the love of Sparx, let him actually put some thought into his decision.

Ooh, or you know, just promote his faithful servant, me, to a Hunter.

My favorite mod is Alex

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I think dark52 doesn't care weather this site floats or sinks. I also find it hard to imagine a 27 year old still interested in Spyro, which could probably explain his lack of authoritative presence.

What I find to be a big problem with the mods is the lack of a broad timezone selection. I've seen many spam attacks during the day when the mods are inactive which can sometimes take a few hours to clean up.

If wakka isn't a mod anymore, good. I remember earlier this year she gnorc'd a user because they said they didn't really care about anyone on this site. Probably the most pathetic reason to temporarily ban someone. What did she want to achieve? I'll force some unknown person on the internet who doesn't care about us to love me?

Wake was a bad mod. She would follow her emotions way too much. "You don't like me? BAN *****!"

I can't remember her justifying it either. Worse, no one protested against it. They were most likely too afraid to receive her trigger happy ban hammer for asking questions she didn't want to answer.

I think that the reason nobody protested it was because the user who said it had offended many other users by posting stuff along those lines, and thus those users were fine with Waka suspending them. But now, looking back at it....

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I believe the reason the user was suspended because they said something along the lines off "I don't care about anyone here. If any of you were to die from cancer, I wouldn't give a damn."

I actually do see that as suspension worthy, as that is extremely offensive and unnecessary.

I don't think he said cancer, but yeah, he did say he wouldn't care if any of us died. It was quite clear that he was upset over something and that he wasn't acting like himself, perhaps he was taking out some anger from something else cause I don't think anyone would just go and post that in confessions, out of the blue.

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I believe the reason that user was suspended is because they said something along the lines off:
"I don't care about anyone here. If any of you were to die from cancer, I wouldn't give a damn."

I actually do see that as suspension worthy, as that is extremely offensive and unnecessary.

Yhat shouldn't be suspension worthy at all. It's a horrible thing to say but I don't think the user should have been suspended for that.

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....I would say something here but I'm kind of afraid to share my opinion.

Go ahead. No matter what goes down, it is an opinion.

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I also remember Waka suspending him on the basis of "not caring about anyone", not entirely because people were offended by it.
If he was suspended for being offensive rather than for just not caring, it's understandable.

I'm pretty sure that it was because people were offended, not just because the user didn't care about anyone.

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That shouldn't be suspension worthy at all. It's a horrible thing to say, but I don't think the user should have been suspended for that.

Then obviously your definition of what is suspension worthy or not isn't consistent.

No ****, but that still shouldn't be suspension worthy.

Why would I care if someone I don't know gets killed, raped, or has something wrong with them? Remember when Ninjask said that she was raped? How many people actually replied to that post? Now I'm gonna ignore this topic because I will probably get hate for saying this.

I'm not gonna quote HIR's entire post or attempt to cut it down to a more convenient size. Just gonna note that with your college and work responsibilities, it may have given some people the image of not being around enough to handle things. It makes it look like it's down to JCW to carry the weight of the section on his own (with Waka leaving and having been even less active beforehand anyway).

Just throwing that out there. Out of 9 mods on the team, only 4 of them are reasonably active (and one of those don't even have anything to really do). So of course things like inactivity is going to stick with some of us.

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Are you talking about me or Wakka?

Waka. And it's not the first time I've seen/felt hypocrisy from her on the job.