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It's making sure discussion doesn't spiral into bitter flame wars, which is why most forums ban it in the first place.

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Most likely "denied". It's clamping down on free-will.

Ugh, he should say so then. Not make people here guess.

Communication is lacking.

will the non god belivers and god belivers shut up!!! I say just that if you belive in god then you can tell people that but don't pull it into diffrent topics. and the non god belivers. just say that your a athist and then dont say any more simple as that. because EVERYONE is getting tired of the war between you two. I am one of them because I can't stand people who have a religion war flamming eachother at all. yes I will admit that I was flameing a christan at firt but later I stop! which means you need to knock it off otherwise all religion will be banned for good!!! ALL OF THE RELIGIONS!!!!!

Look here, guys. Are we all so incompetent we can't solve our own problems? This is a Spyro the dragon forum. Not a forum dedicated to religion so just drop the whole matter! I've been here for ages (gem count does not prove anything) and never in my days have I seen such stupidity. No, I am not flaming, I'm frankly just quite disappointed. I don't mind for people to express their beliefs, but not so strongly! If it's something simple like, 'Yeah, I believe in God', or 'No, I do not believe in God', or maybe, 'Yes, I'm Christian', 'Yes, I'm Atheist', I don't mind. Heck, I could care less. I'm just sick of seeing a religious debate or overly expressed religious view everywhere I turn. Is it so hard to just shut up and respect each other, to act normal?

*takes a deep breath* There. Those are my thoughts. Cheerio.

It's ususlly the responce to religous people that sarts it...

Seeing how the same issue arises again and again, yes, a lot of people on the site are incompetent. I would love it if someone's heart-of-gold advice is taken into consideration by all, but finding a shared resolution on this site is really difficult it seems.

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Look here, guys. Are we all so incompetent we can't solve our own problems? This is a Spyro the dragon forum. Not a forum dedicated to religion so just drop the whole matter! I've been here for ages (gem count does not prove anything) and never in my days have I seen such stupidity. No, I am not flaming, I'm frankly just quite disappointed. I don't mind for people to express their beliefs, but not so strongly! If it's something simple like, 'Yeah, I believe in God', or 'No, I do not believe in God', or maybe, 'Yes, I'm Christian', 'Yes, I'm Atheist', I don't mind. Heck, I could care less. I'm just sick of seeing a religious debate or overly expressed religious view everywhere I turn. Is it so hard to just shut up and respect each other, to act normal?

*takes a deep breath* There. Those are my thoughts. Cheerio.

Nice... very nice. And I have to agree, but unfortunatly there are some very noobish people on this site and we have to look at the Idle and Stuff and Nonsense sections. People will talk about God and stuff endlessly, and just because it is a Spyro forum that won't stop people from doing it.
What mostly begins this is the "Reasons for God Exsisting" topics. Non-believers like me don't want to hear this crap and think it wastes forum space, and unfortunatly it won't stop easily. People will continue with these topics and stopping them from doing that will make them think they are being offended, when really, it's to stop arguments.
I feel teh solution is that expressing you're beliefs is okay, but going into the "God/ No God" War is extreme... I mostly agree with you, is what I'm saying.

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Seeing how the same issue arises again and again, yes, a lot of people on the site are incompetent. I would love it if someone's heart-of-gold advice is taken into consideration by all, but finding a shared resolution on this site is really difficult it seems.

Agreed.

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Look here, guys. Are we all so incompetent we can't solve our own problems? This is a Spyro the dragon forum. Not a forum dedicated to religion so just drop the whole matter! I've been here for ages (gem count does not prove anything) and never in my days have I seen such stupidity. No, I am not flaming, I'm frankly just quite disappointed. I don't mind for people to express their beliefs, but not so strongly! If it's something simple like, 'Yeah, I believe in God', or 'No, I do not believe in God', or maybe, 'Yes, I'm Christian', 'Yes, I'm Atheist', I don't mind. Heck, I could care less. I'm just sick of seeing a religious debate or overly expressed religious view everywhere I turn. Is it so hard to just shut up and respect each other, to act normal?

*takes a deep breath* There. Those are my thoughts. Cheerio.

Nice... very nice. And I have to agree, but unfortunatly there are some very noobish people on this site and we have to look at the Idle and Stuff and Nonsense sections. People will talk about God and stuff endlessly, and just because it is a Spyro forum that won't stop people from doing it.
What mostly begins this is the "Reasons for God Exsisting" topics. Non-believers like me don't want to hear this crap and think it wastes forum space, and unfortunatly it won't stop easily. People will continue with these topics and stopping them from doing that will make them think they are being offended, when really, it's to stop arguments.
I feel teh solution is that expressing you're beliefs is okay, but going into the "God/ No God" War is extreme... I mostly agree with you, is what I'm saying.

Exactly. If they want to debate so much on religion, they ought to make their own forum dedicated to it.

And just so you know, your signature may provoke an argument. Just saying...

And I've had a first-hand account of why religious topics on DS aren't the best of ideas...

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Look here, guys. Are we all so incompetent we can't solve our own problems? This is a Spyro the dragon forum. Not a forum dedicated to religion so just drop the whole matter! I've been here for ages (gem count does not prove anything) and never in my days have I seen such stupidity. No, I am not flaming, I'm frankly just quite disappointed. I don't mind for people to express their beliefs, but not so strongly! If it's something simple like, 'Yeah, I believe in God', or 'No, I do not believe in God', or maybe, 'Yes, I'm Christian', 'Yes, I'm Atheist', I don't mind. Heck, I could care less. I'm just sick of seeing a religious debate or overly expressed religious view everywhere I turn. Is it so hard to just shut up and respect each other, to act normal?

*takes a deep breath* There. Those are my thoughts. Cheerio.

Nice... very nice. And I have to agree, but unfortunatly there are some very noobish people on this site and we have to look at the Idle and Stuff and Nonsense sections. People will talk about God and stuff endlessly, and just because it is a Spyro forum that won't stop people from doing it.
What mostly begins this is the "Reasons for God Exsisting" topics. Non-believers like me don't want to hear this crap and think it wastes forum space, and unfortunatly it won't stop easily. People will continue with these topics and stopping them from doing that will make them think they are being offended, when really, it's to stop arguments.
I feel teh solution is that expressing you're beliefs is okay, but going into the "God/ No God" War is extreme... I mostly agree with you, is what I'm saying.

Exactly. If they want to debate so much on religion, they ought to make their own forum dedicated to it.

And just so you know, your signature may provoke an argument. Just saying...

Thank you for agreeing.

Oh, my Signature is a pratical joke. If they can't take it as a joke and think it's serious, then I'm just plain confused.

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And I've had a first-hand account of why religious topics on DS aren't the best of ideas...

As have I. They just make flame wars and that.

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I've been here for ages.

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Hey, why don't you actually read the post before trying to be a smart [butt] about it? I said gem count does not prove anything. Neither does this: Quote:

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I AM DRAGON LOVER. THE ORIGINAL DRAGON LOVER.

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I've been here for ages.

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Hey, why don't you actually read the post before trying to be a smart [butt] about it? I said gem count does not prove anything. Neither does this: Quote:

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I AM DRAGON LOVER. THE ORIGINAL DRAGON LOVER.

This thread has gone from Religion to Gems.
Let's all gamble our life savings like poorly co-ordinated spring lambs!

Although I have interest in religion, I am, a very rare, agnostic. So what do most of you have to say about stuff like this?

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Although I have interest in religion, I am, a very rare, agnostic. So what do most of you have to say about stuff like this?

Well I have to say I'm not absolutley sure on what you mean here, but I have some veiws. These are just this - it's okay to state your religion, to have a "discussion" on it in PM or Guestbooks, but not to create whole topics that turn to disaster.
A forum I used to be on was trashed by somebody posting topics on how everybody is going to Hell and that the topics the Forum was about was rubbish. Not saying anything here or pointing fingers, but do we want darkSpyro to end up like that? Religion is now a big argument thing on this site and I do not seem impresssed at the immaturity of some users. The site is just getting covered in topics on Religion.

My Overall veiw here is that Expressing Religious Beliefs should NOT be against the Rules but making Topics on it and causing wars and arguments to be against the rules.

Here's my view:

No topics based around religion/athieism
No arguments at all about them
No hurtfull comments about either two (Includes in Announcement and Siggys)
No trying to "reach out"...

By hurtfull, i mean like Malefor0001's Avi, well, it's not exactly hurtfull, but it's still bashing Christianity..

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Here's my view:

No topics based around religion/athieism
No arguments at all about them
No hurtfull comments about either two (Includes in Announcement and Siggys)
No trying to "reach out"...

By hurtfull, i mean like Malefor0001's Avi, well, it's not exactly hurtfull, but it's still bashing Christianity..

i actual love that avie, its not as thoigh christians dont bash athiest but thats not the point, i wish everyone could debate not fight but unfortuantly that never the situation. maybe there should be a religion topic to keep all the "debates" in there.

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Here's my view:

No topics based around religion/athieism
No arguments at all about them
No hurtfull comments about either two (Includes in Announcement and Siggys)
No trying to "reach out"...

By hurtfull, i mean like Malefor0001's Avi, well, it's not exactly hurtfull, but it's still bashing Christianity..

i actual love that avie, its not as thoigh christians dont bash athiest but thats not the point, i wish everyone could debate not fight but unfortuantly that never the situation. maybe there should be a religion topic to keep all the "debates" in there.

I agree with Cynder_fan's views there. And to be honest, Christians don't bash Atheists as bad as you think we do. We keep quiet for the most part even though we don't agree with their views because it's respectful and that's the way everyone should go about things, I think.

I also don't agree with a forum-wide religion topic. That's just defeating this topic's purpose.

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Quote: cynder21

Quote: Cynder_fan

Here's my view:

No topics based around religion/athieism
No arguments at all about them
No hurtfull comments about either two (Includes in Announcement and Siggys)
No trying to "reach out"...

By hurtfull, i mean like Malefor0001's Avi, well, it's not exactly hurtfull, but it's still bashing Christianity..

i actual love that avie, its not as thoigh christians dont bash athiest but thats not the point, i wish everyone could debate not fight but unfortuantly that never the situation. maybe there should be a religion topic to keep all the "debates" in there.

I agree with Cynder_fan's views there. And to be honest, Christians don't bash Atheists as bad as you think we do. We keep quiet for the most part even though we don't agree with their views because it's respectful and that's the way everyone should go about things, I think.

I also don't agree with a forum-wide religion topic. That's just defeating this topic's purpose.

i still think athiest bash christians more,but ehh, yeah maybe what i said was a bit contradictave.

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Quote: Cynder_fan

Here's my view:

No topics based around religion/athieism
No arguments at all about them
No hurtfull comments about either two (Includes in Announcement and Siggys)
No trying to "reach out"...

By hurtfull, i mean like Malefor0001's Avi, well, it's not exactly hurtfull, but it's still bashing Christianity..

i actual love that avie, its not as thoigh christians dont bash athiest but thats not the point, i wish everyone could debate not fight but unfortuantly that never the situation. maybe there should be a religion topic to keep all the "debates" in there.

I agree with Cynder_fan's views there. And to be honest, Christians don't bash Atheists as bad as you think we do. We keep quiet for the most part even though we don't agree with their views because it's respectful and that's the way everyone should go about things, I think.

I also don't agree with a forum-wide religion topic. That's just defeating this topic's purpose.

I agree with both Cynder Fan and Jade Wolf.

To put it simply, this is not a good idea.

Yes, people can be immature when it comes to sensitive topics. Yes, people insult others and yes, that's a bad thing. But really, is that a problem with the topics being discussed, or with the members discussing those topics?

Here's an example. Old Spyro versus new Spyro debates and even flame wars break out in pretty much every Spyro community ever. It's obviously a very polarizing issue that many people take seriously around here. So are we going to ban topics about which series is better because some people don't know how to handle debates well?

Of course not. What should be "banned" is insulting or "bashing" of other members. The same should apply to religion, politics, favorite ice cream flavor, or whatever the heck people happen to take seriously around here. No bashing = civil discussions = no need for censorship of interesting topics.

One of the things this forum has going for it is the fact that there is very limited censorship of discussion topics. (A lot of that is probably due to a relative lack of rule enforcement, but I won't get into that now. >.>) Trust me, I've been involved in forums that are heavily censored. It gets old fast when you can't discuss the latest news story because it involves religious elements that might offend people.

For those of you who don't like the religion topics - as others have said, simply don't click on them and find a topic you like better. People who want to talk about such things can do so, while people who don't like them don't have to have anything to do with them. Problem solved.

(edit: typo)

Hey Stormy, don't you wish Spyro Forums had that sort of freedom in expression? One of the main reasons why I don't go on that site anymore is because the censorship there lambasts anybody who speak of religion and politics. Combine that with a limited number of active users, and it's hard to spark any fire for that site, regarding site activity/traffic.

Ideally, I'd want a site that allows this sort of expression, but is moderated to a degree. This site lacks moderation, and Spyro Forum conversely lacks expression. The outcomes for both sites are quite obvious when you compare theie status quos now.

edit: http://www.spyroforum.com/topi...ew-members.html

Isn't this ironic? The issue being discussed in that link is about the emptiness of the site, and this topic here discusses an issue that exists due to a lack of moderation. You wonder which site will step up to the solution first, if any of them actually would.

Yeah, I have noticed that. It's sad that there really is no Spyro fansite out there with a good balance. =/

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i actual love that avie, its not as thoigh christians dont bash athiest but thats not the point, i wish everyone could debate not fight but unfortuantly that never the situation. maybe there should be a religion topic to keep all the "debates" in there.

I agree with Cynder_fan's views there. And to be honest, Christians don't bash Atheists as bad as you think we do. We keep quiet for the most part even though we don't agree with their views because it's respectful and that's the way everyone should go about things, I think.

I also don't agree with a forum-wide religion topic. That's just defeating this topic's purpose.

i still think athiest bash christians more,but ehh, yeah maybe what i said was a bit contradictave.

@c21: Thank you for that.
@C_F: Well, I'm entitled to my opinion, and thats just my opinion. Nobody seems to complain about avatars of Jesus. Also, as to why I bash religion, well it bashes me. I'm okay with Religious people but when I get; "You are going to hell you stupid disbeliever" thats wrong. In fact I get bashed for my beliefs more than I bash. And what happened to Freedom of Speech, may I ask? I'm allowed to have my say, have my opinion.
Of course, I don't want to sound offensive, as this is simply my opinion.
EDIT: On other forums, I've even got Hate mail from other users because of my sexuality, and that I'm going to hell.

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I agree with Cynder_fan's views there. And to be honest, Christians don't bash Atheists as bad as you think we do. We keep quiet for the most part even though we don't agree with their views because it's respectful and that's the way everyone should go about things, I think.

I also don't agree with a forum-wide religion topic. That's just defeating this topic's purpose.

i still think athiest bash christians more,but ehh, yeah maybe what i said was a bit contradictave.

@c21: Thank you for that.
@C_F: Well, I'm entitled to my opinion, and thats just my opinion. Nobody seems to complain about avatars of Jesus. Also, as to why I bash religion, well it bashes me. I'm okay with Religious people but when I get; "You are going to hell you stupid disbeliever" thats wrong. In fact I get bashed for my beliefs more than I bash. And what happened to Freedom of Speech, may I ask? I'm allowed to have my say, have my opinion.
Of course, I don't want to sound offensive, as this is simply my opinion.
EDIT: On other forums, I've even got Hate mail from other users because of my sexuality, and that I'm going to hell.

I respect it's your opinion, but there's nothing wrong with Jesus avatars, but when you say you're right because of your views, that's bashing. Plus, just because they bash you, does that give you the right to bash them? It's like a bully and a kid, just because the kid gets bullied doesn't mean it's fair he should bully other kids.

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i still think athiest bash christians more,but ehh, yeah maybe what i said was a bit contradictave.

@c21: Thank you for that.
@C_F: Well, I'm entitled to my opinion, and thats just my opinion. Nobody seems to complain about avatars of Jesus. Also, as to why I bash religion, well it bashes me. I'm okay with Religious people but when I get; "You are going to hell you stupid disbeliever" thats wrong. In fact I get bashed for my beliefs more than I bash. And what happened to Freedom of Speech, may I ask? I'm allowed to have my say, have my opinion.
Of course, I don't want to sound offensive, as this is simply my opinion.
EDIT: On other forums, I've even got Hate mail from other users because of my sexuality, and that I'm going to hell.

I respect it's your opinion, but there's nothing wrong with Jesus avatars, but when you say you're right because of your views, that's bashing. Plus, just because they bash you, does that give you the right to bash them? It's like a bully and a kid, just because the kid gets bullied doesn't mean it's fair he should bully other kids.

Actually I have never bashed anybody Religious in my life. The closest thing to bashing I've said is; "I don't believe in God". Plus, my Avatar was the best Atheist avatar I could find that was attractive towards me. If I'm not allowed a Atheist avatar, may I ask what I am allowed that represnts my beliefs as an Atheist? All I can find its avatars about Atheism being right, and there are worse I could've picked, saying;
"Religion - Get a Life!"
"[[Censore]]k Religion!"
"Teach Kids Logic, Not Fairy Tales!"
These were the other bad ones. There are Atheists on this site, and there are some religious people who can't respect that or me. I have people saying that they will pray for me just because I have issues with religion, hoping I will convert to religion. Isn't that peer pressure? I'm just trying to state here that I am an Atheist and they can't change that...

Anyway, I think people shoudl be allowed to have Religious beliefs on here, allowed to have it in Guestbooks, but not have things like topics debating it, or saying that nonbelievers are going to hell, so on...

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@c21: Thank you for that.
@C_F: Well, I'm entitled to my opinion, and thats just my opinion. Nobody seems to complain about avatars of Jesus. Also, as to why I bash religion, well it bashes me. I'm okay with Religious people but when I get; "You are going to hell you stupid disbeliever" thats wrong. In fact I get bashed for my beliefs more than I bash. And what happened to Freedom of Speech, may I ask? I'm allowed to have my say, have my opinion.
Of course, I don't want to sound offensive, as this is simply my opinion.
EDIT: On other forums, I've even got Hate mail from other users because of my sexuality, and that I'm going to hell.

I respect it's your opinion, but there's nothing wrong with Jesus avatars, but when you say you're right because of your views, that's bashing. Plus, just because they bash you, does that give you the right to bash them? It's like a bully and a kid, just because the kid gets bullied doesn't mean it's fair he should bully other kids.

Actually I have never bashed anybody Religious in my life. The closest thing to bashing I've said is; "I don't believe in God". Plus, my Avatar was the best Atheist avatar I could find that was attractive towards me. If I'm not allowed a Atheist avatar, may I ask what I am allowed that represnts my beliefs as an Atheist? All I can find its avatars about Atheism being right, and there are worse I could've picked, saying;
"Religion - Get a Life!"
"[[Censore]]k Religion!"
"Teach Kids Logic, Not Fairy Tales!"
These were the other bad ones. There are Atheists on this site, and there are some religious people who can't respect that or me. I have people saying that they will pray for me just because I have issues with religion, hoping I will convert to religion. Isn't that peer pressure? I'm just trying to state here that I am an Atheist and they can't change that...

Anyway, I think people shoudl be allowed to have Religious beliefs on here, allowed to have it in Guestbooks, but not have things like topics debating it, or saying that nonbelievers are going to hell, so on...

I'm talking about the "...proud to be right" part. Thats the only issue I had. I can understand with people trying to convert you... Anoying.

It is annoying, thanks for understanding that. It's happened alot to me.

If I could block out the proud to be right bit I would, and I swear I am looking for a Avatar simply saying that I'm proud to be Atheist, but I don't want to ruin the background texture in the avi, and I promise I will find a better avi.

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@c21: Thank you for that.
Actually I have never bashed anybody Religious in my life. The closest thing to bashing I've said is; "I don't believe in God".

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To be honest I never listen to anything that daft old rat says, but another user said it. You'll have to ask them. (Look at earlier posts)

Orly?

It doesn't really matter who bashes who more anyway; both sides that do it are wrong. =/

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@c21: Thank you for that.
Actually I have never bashed anybody Religious in my life. The closest thing to bashing I've said is; "I don't believe in God".

Quote: Malefor0001 (Talking about the Pope)

To be honest I never listen to anything that daft old rat says, but another user said it. You'll have to ask them. (Look at earlier posts)

Orly?

It doesn't really matter who bashes who more anyway; both sides that do it are wrong. =/

Actually, I have to agree with stormy here.

This site has now adopted state atheism, I suppose we're Communists.

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This site has now adopted state atheism, I suppose we're Communists.

Baww... I wanted democracy : (

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Look here, guys. Are we all so incompetent we can't solve our own problems? This is a Spyro the dragon forum. Not a forum dedicated to religion so just drop the whole matter! I've been here for ages (gem count does not prove anything) and never in my days have I seen such stupidity. No, I am not flaming, I'm frankly just quite disappointed. I don't mind for people to express their beliefs, but not so strongly! If it's something simple like, 'Yeah, I believe in God', or 'No, I do not believe in God', or maybe, 'Yes, I'm Christian', 'Yes, I'm Atheist', I don't mind. Heck, I could care less. I'm just sick of seeing a religious debate or overly expressed religious view everywhere I turn. Is it so hard to just shut up and respect each other, to act normal?

*takes a deep breath* There. Those are my thoughts. Cheerio.

*claps hands* Epic speech.

Ugh... I have to present a speech at school today... But thank you, I guess.

No one can yet assume the existence or unexistence of a deity, so why don't we wait until the truth spills out for this kind of argument?

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No one can yet assume the existence or unexistence of a deity, so why don't we wait until the truth spills out for this kind of argument?

I'm not entirely sure of the meaning behind that but I'm pretty sure it defeats this topic's purpose.

How about, for a while, we just abandon this topic, and wait for the right time for this kind of argument.

Atheists, stop acting like the government of the forum.

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How about, for a while, we just abandon this topic, and wait for the right time for this kind of argument.

Atheists, stop acting like the government of the forum.

I'm not acting like a govenment, have you seen how they fail?
Anyway, one last thing, what about NEws topics revolving religon? Ban them too?

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How about, for a while, we just abandon this topic, and wait for the right time for this kind of argument.

Atheists, stop acting like the government of the forum.

I'm not acting like a govenment, have you seen how they fail?
Anyway, one last thing, what about NEws topics revolving religon? Ban them too?

Cynder_fan has a good point.

As others have said as well,just becuase something starts arguements doesn't mean it should be banned,if we banned every single arguement starting subject,what would be left to talk about?

In some ways I'm bored of this, in some ways I want to continue this discussion.

In my honest opinion, expression of religion should not be banned, for whether we pretend to hide it or not, religion is a part of us, a part of who we are. I will admit, many of the wars our world has fought has been over religion, but that proves that our religion is important to us. It is so important to us that we are willing to fight for it, to keep it in our hearts. I'm not saying it is right to fight because of difference in religion - goodness no! - but to defend what we believe is right.

There are many things we have fought for - freedom, justice, truth, fellowship. Religion, I believe, is different, though. It cannot be physicallly fought for, because in our hearts, religion is the truth. And the truth is what we make of it. We as individuals cannot fight amongst ourselves because of our own perspcectives of truth. Without our individuality, our own perspective of truth, we are all the same. Nothing to define one from another. Religion is something that makes us special, for it is what we spiritually think of as truth, truth that can only be felt in the heart.

Someone could read the same Bible or the same something and still have a different perspective of the world. Religion is in our hearts, and is a part of us. What we think of the world, what we think of our origins, all is religion. And religion isn't always the way we think of it. It is something... within. Something only we can feel. Our minds believe things to a certain point of similarity but never exactly the same.

Our religion helps make us who we are, and although I cannot exactly put my feelings into words, it is important to each of our own individualism and personality. I feel something so important to us, so vital, no matter how much we may feel different about our religions, that is what makes us who we are. And I cannot see how we could ban it as if it were the cause of a mere argument such as - which is better? Tlos? Originals? No. This is different. I am not saying we should allow ourselves to fight over what we believe in, only that we should be intitled to our own individuality.

If people didn't make rude remarks and jokes about other peoples religions then we wouldn't have this problem but there's the same problem all over the world and over the internet. I disagree with banning it as that alone would probably start a fight. People today are just too stupid and thoughtless to care that the words they say could offend someone else. Just like I did there and insulted everyone in the world today.

"Atheists, stop acting like the government of the forum." And just like this too... i'm highly offended.

That reminds me of something in martial arts..... Tai Sabaki (forgive me if I spelled that wrong ) The art of getting out of the way and not retaliating (not so sure if I spelled that right either )

How nice of you to bump this topic.

Look, I'm sorry. When there is a conflict, and I happen to bump into it, I end up writing a great big speech like the one above. I do not know if any of it made sense but my brain processes thoughts quicker than my hands can type. Even if my hands could type as fast as my brain, I would still not be able to make any sense out of it because my brain has a mind of its own and I can be very weird at times. I know there are those of you who think I am an annoying jerk but I still stand with my thoughts, be they approved by society or not. So, I'll stop typing now so I don't make another boring speech that puts people to sleep.