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I wouldn't say Old Spyro was boring. I enjoyed the old trilogy as much as I enjoyed the LoS trilogy.

I would say

The Old Spyro trilogy all had the same thing; go through different worlds and levels through portals, saving the residents of those worlds, and save that world they live in from a villian who threatens their lives. Still, I enjoyed the games, and played them again every once in a while when I feel bored.

That's how I got bored in the first place

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The Old Spyro trilogy all had the same thing; go through different worlds and levels through portals, saving the residents of those worlds, and save that world they live in from a villian who threatens their lives. Still, I enjoyed the games, and played them again every once in a while when I feel bored.

And you're saying LOS isn't like that? ANB: Go through the different element themed areas saving guardians. Learn new trick. Defeat the baddy.
TEN: Go through all the dark and gloomy places defeating hoards of enemies. Pass out, lean new trick. Beat the baddy.
DotD: Defeat giant monster. Defeat hoards of enemies. Break stuff. Beat the baddy.

So basically you just go from place to place, collecting things and defeating enemies until you get to the main boss. Many games are like that really. At least old Spyro didn't get you down like LOS. Not to mention the fact that two of three LOS games were linear and the colectibles in DotD were not well hidden at all.

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The Old Spyro trilogy all had the same thing; go through different worlds and levels through portals, saving the residents of those worlds, and save that world they live in from a villian who threatens their lives. Still, I enjoyed the games, and played them again every once in a while when I feel bored.

And you're saying LOS isn't like that? ANB: Go through the different element themed areas saving guardians. Learn new trick. Defeat the baddy.
TEN: Go through all the dark and gloomy places defeating hoards of enemies. Pass out, lean new trick. Beat the baddy.
DotD: Defeat giant monster. Defeat hoards of enemies. Break stuff. Beat the baddy.

So basically you just go from place to place, collecting things and defeating enemies until you get to the main boss. Many games are like that really. At least old Spyro didn't get you down like LOS. Not to mention the fact that two of three LOS games were linear and the colectibles in DotD were not well hidden at all.

True, but LoS had a more interesting "storyline" learn the meaning before you go off at a tangent, what you've pointed out was actually the "plot". Plot is different to storyline. Storyline is what the game is all about, basically what the game is about and plot is how the sotryline is played out.

LoS is too cliche, and too easy.
Originals are also too easy, and the story (or there lack of) isn't anything new, but at least it was intended to be easier.

The fact they TRIED and FAILED to make LoS "epic" and "difficult" is what really gets me. Originals I can at least pop in and play, every now and then when I'm bored, for something cute and easy. That's what Spyro was meant for - Not some "Why so srs?" game. They recreated him, and in the process, the essence of Spyro the dragon was lost. The charm which attracted so many was replaced with failed heroics. The simple yet enlightening gameplay, characters, and levels, all gone.
LoS could have been good, had they made it more of a T type game, instead of E10+. It's kind of stuck in the middle of a grown up, faster paced experience, and a child's game. If they had added more action, more elements of an older aged game, it wouldn't have so much controversy.

Then again, it's like taking Mario & crew and sticking them into an online FPS. Unless you do it right, with no failure in between, and keep something the original fans will like, you're just screwing yourself. And any further attempts to fix the problem will be overshadowed by the first failure.

Who ever said they tried to make it difficult or epic? You said TLoS is cliche, and they knew this them self (no one can deny, that the plot was very generic), things are are generally cliche arnt trying to be epic.

LoS easy? No...

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It isn't a Spyro game it's a Legend of Spyro game.

Same thing really, they both have Spyro in them

No it's a different character. The hero of LoS games is the most one-dimensional protagonist ever.

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First, I don't care if you all know my opinions. i'll say them till doomsday if I wish, regardless of how many people know them or how they feel about them.
Secondly, I think it's fairly obvious that dingodile555 knew it was opinion not fact. I wouldn't be suprised if he said there won't be a Spyro game without his following comment just so he could get someone to set him up for the line "It won't be a game it will be a piece of garbage."
Way to fall for it. Also, nice reaction Apoc, real suitable.

you are correct, have a cookie

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It isn't a Spyro game it's a Legend of Spyro game.

Same thing really, they both have Spyro in them

No it's a different character. The hero of LoS games is the most one-dimensional protagonist ever.

Spyro is still Spyro

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Same thing really, they both have Spyro in them

No it's a different character. The hero of LoS games is the most one-dimensional protagonist ever.

Spyro is still Spyro

Aside from the name and being a purple dragon there's no more similarities.

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No it's a different character. The hero of LoS games is the most one-dimensional protagonist ever.

Spyro is still Spyro

Aside from the name and being a purple dragon there's no more similarities.

There is, they're both f'ucking boring!

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Spyro is still Spyro

Aside from the name and being a purple dragon there's no more similarities.

There is, they're both f'ucking boring!

Spyro was at least cool in A Hero's Tail

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Aside from the name and being a purple dragon there's no more similarities.

There is, they're both f'ucking boring!

Spyro was at least cool in A Hero's Tail

Was that a joke?

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There is, they're both f'ucking boring!

Spyro was at least cool in A Hero's Tail

Was that a joke?

No it was deadly serial

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Spyro was at least cool in A Hero's Tail

Was that a joke?

No it was deadly serial

I've played better games

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Was that a joke?

No it was deadly serial

I've played better games

Yeah but my point was Spyro was not a one-dimensional protagonist in that game.

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No it was deadly serial

I've played better games

Yeah but my point was Spyro was not a one-dimensional protagonist in that game.

No, sorry, still was

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I've played better games

Yeah but my point was Spyro was not a one-dimensional protagonist in that game.

No, sorry, still was

he was coolll he liked to rullle

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Yeah but my point was Spyro was not a one-dimensional protagonist in that game.

No, sorry, still was

he was coolll he liked to rullle

He was dull, his one-liners were lame, there was absolutley nothing to him.

He was cool

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LoS easy? No...

What do you play, Spongebob? I can beat ANB in 2 hours from a brand new file without dying. I call that easy.

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Spyro is still Spyro

Aside from the name and being a purple dragon there's no more similarities.

There is, they're both f'ucking boring!

Why are you even here?!

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LoS easy? No...

What do you play, Spongebob? I can beat ANB in 2 hours from a brand new file without dying. I call that easy.

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Aside from the name and being a purple dragon there's no more similarities.

There is, they're both f'ucking boring!

Why are you even here?!

He's here for the children, or so he said earlier

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I've played better games

Yeah but my point was Spyro was not a one-dimensional protagonist in that game.

No, sorry, still was

At least he had a brighter, more spunky personallity than in the LoS trilogy.

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LoS easy? No...

What do you play, Spongebob? I can beat ANB in 2 hours from a brand new file without dying. I call that easy.

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Aside from the name and being a purple dragon there's no more similarities.

There is, they're both f'ucking boring!

Why are you even here?!

No I do not play Spongebob, every played TEN on the GBA? It's quite fiddly but it isn't THAT easy.

Why am I here? I like him enough to consider myself a "fan"

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: Unless you have concrete, definitive evidence from a credible source of the game's definitive and finalized existence, this is all baseless speculation. In a battle of wits, evidence tells all, not foolish conjecture.

Agreed, but according to some people an announcement at E3 is good enough

An E3 Announcement would be official, as it would be coming from Activision. <.<;

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: Unless you have concrete, definitive evidence from a credible source of the game's definitive and finalized existence, this is all baseless speculation. In a battle of wits, evidence tells all, not foolish conjecture.

Agreed, but according to some people an announcement at E3 is good enough

An E3 Announcement would be official, as it would be coming from Activision. <.<;

But then again, I don't follow on rumours

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LoS easy? No...

What do you play, Spongebob? I can beat ANB in 2 hours from a brand new file without dying. I call that easy.

Spongebob is harder than DOTD. At least the game I once played was, I gave up after chasing a jellyfish around for an hour. By the time I learnt you had to sneak up on them I'd found a new jellyfish which didn't respond to sneak.

Freakin' jellyfish.

I see

No you don't.

Neither do you

I didn't say I did.

You don't need to

Neither do you.

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LoS easy? No...

What do you play, Spongebob? I can beat ANB in 2 hours from a brand new file without dying. I call that easy.

Spongebob is harder than DOTD. At least the game I once played was, I gave up after chasing a jellyfish around for an hour. By the time I learnt you had to sneak up on them I'd found a new jellyfish which didn't respond to sneak.

Freakin' jellyfish.

xD This is true, I never could catch those, either. And I'm stuck on the final boss in a different one - Granted, I haven't played for two years.

Normally, I would say we should get back on topic, but I'm not even sure what on topic is here anymore.

This is crazy now...

I agree with cloudtail about making Spyro a T rated game. If you wanna make a kids game dark and epic, go all the way. I would have liked LOS better if it were bloodier, more violent, and Spyro were angrier and if the enemies were more vicious, ruthless and severe. Mad, I's LOVE to see a pissed off, blood-covered, vengeful young Spyro go head to head with a REAL pain loving lunatic! You know, someone who belongs in an institution, not a video game! The kinda guy/girl who could be calm one minute and fly off the handle and kill someone the next! A SADISTIC SKITSUFRENIC!

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The Old Spyro trilogy all had the same thing; go through different worlds and levels through portals, saving the residents of those worlds, and save that world they live in from a villian who threatens their lives. Still, I enjoyed the games, and played them again every once in a while when I feel bored.

And you're saying LOS isn't like that? ANB: Go through the different element themed areas saving guardians. Learn new trick. Defeat the baddy.
TEN: Go through all the dark and gloomy places defeating hoards of enemies. Pass out, lean new trick. Beat the baddy.
DotD: Defeat giant monster. Defeat hoards of enemies. Break stuff. Beat the baddy.

So basically you just go from place to place, collecting things and defeating enemies until you get to the main boss. Many games are like that really. At least old Spyro didn't get you down like LOS. Not to mention the fact that two of three LOS games were linear and the colectibles in DotD were not well hidden at all.

True, but LoS had a more interesting "storyline" learn the meaning before you go off at a tangent, what you've pointed out was actually the "plot". Plot is different to storyline. Storyline is what the game is all about, basically what the game is about and plot is how the sotryline is played out.

And that storyline/plot happened to be lame. >.>

Too me, original Spyro changing to TLOS is like a character suddenly changing his/her personality. You just don't look at that character the same way again, and you want the original personality back. Just like how Cynder went from sad and emo too sassy and sarcastic.

I read the proof BTW. Even though Insomniac won't take Spyro back, there is still a chance that they will go back to the original, which was the real Spyro.

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This is crazy now...

I agree with cloudtail about making Spyro a T rated game. If you wanna make a kids game dark and epic, go all the way. I would have liked LOS better if it were bloodier, more violent, and Spyro were angrier and if the enemies were more vicious, ruthless and severe. Mad, I's LOVE to see a pissed off, blood-covered, vengeful young Spyro go head to head with a REAL pain loving lunatic! You know, someone who belongs in an institution, not a video game! The kinda guy/girl who could be calm one minute and fly off the handle and kill someone the next! A SADISTIC SKITSUFRENIC!

Now that is just too violent for a Spyro game, SpyroLUVA.

LoS wasn't that violent, and the trilogy was set by re-introducing the characters and the world. I mean they could add lots of things to improve the upcoming Spyro game, if it's set in the LoS universe. They could add some of the other characters we know from the old trilogy, and recreate them for the new universe.

Honestly, I preferred the E10+ Spyro. Not too dark, not too light, which works for me. I really don't think it should go to a T rating, because then that would be departing from what Spyro was even more. A kid's game.

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This is crazy now...

I agree with cloudtail about making Spyro a T rated game. If you wanna make a kids game dark and epic, go all the way. I would have liked LOS better if it were bloodier, more violent, and Spyro were angrier and if the enemies were more vicious, ruthless and severe. Mad, I's LOVE to see a pissed off, blood-covered, vengeful young Spyro go head to head with a REAL pain loving lunatic! You know, someone who belongs in an institution, not a video game! The kinda guy/girl who could be calm one minute and fly off the handle and kill someone the next! A SADISTIC SKITSUFRENIC!

Now that is just too violent for a Spyro game, SpyroLUVA.

LoS wasn't that violent, and the trilogy was set by re-introducing the characters and the world. I mean they could add lots of things to improve the upcoming Spyro game, if it's set in the LoS universe. They could add some of the other characters we know from the old trilogy, and recreate them for the new universe.

My point was that if you are gonna mke a kid's game dark, I think you must really twist it into something horrific to make it good. Trying to be dark while still being kid friendly just doesn't seem to work for Spyro, at least not how Sierra did it. I'm not saying a kids game couldn't be good if it were in the grey area between violent and kiddish, but LOS wasn't good in that area. It was great as an all kids game, and If it must be dark, I'd like to see it get warped Amercan McGee style! Search American McGee's Alice to see what I mean.

...Okay, not that dark. Something more dark and serious but not serial killer.

Well, DotD was supposed to be far darker than the final product (hence the working title The Darkest Hour) but EL scrapped the idea when they realized Sierra hadn't left them with enough time to make a game fitting that storyline. <.<;

Well, the merger is also to blame. They wanted the game to be finished around the time the merge between Activision and Sierra had happened, which was October 2008.

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Well, DotD was supposed to be far darker than the final product (hence the working title The Darkest Hour) but EL scrapped the idea when they realized Sierra hadn't left them with enough time to make a game fitting that storyline. <.<;

Another good point - DotD had the MOTIVE and ABILITY to be a good game, they just decided to rush it instead.

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What do you play, Spongebob? I can beat ANB in 2 hours from a brand new file without dying. I call that easy.

Spongebob is harder than DOTD. At least the game I once played was, I gave up after chasing a jellyfish around for an hour. By the time I learnt you had to sneak up on them I'd found a new jellyfish which didn't respond to sneak.

Freakin' jellyfish.

xD This is true, I never could catch those, either. And I'm stuck on the final boss in a different one - Granted, I haven't played for two years.

Normally, I would say we should get back on topic, but I'm not even sure what on topic is here anymore.

But then again, I am playing them on a PC