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It's seriously in demand. Religious related things are probably the most likely to get bashed, get filled with flamers, and start a Holy Flame War. I believe that the users' Religion Belief will ruin a lot of topics, perhaps Halloween related.

This, of course, would apply to the counterpart (Atheist) so the Christians won't be the only ones restricted to post Religious related things. You can say what Religion you're in, but you won't get to express that religion here.

If this is done, I will hope to see that the slightest religion thing will not be ruined by the Christians and the Atheist. I am getting tired of both of them going at it, and something has to be done to prevent them from doing farther bashing.

Funny thing is, this only concerns a handful of members. Everyone on this site has a wide range of beliefs, but they don't create antagonism because they don't discuss it all too often, and when they do, it's not about proving or disproving anything.

As you said, such a proposition should be applied to both theist and atheist views. Any religious argument is circular and unfalsifiable, which is why they go on and on.

However, I hope that there's a bit of flexibility in this. For instance, there are many traditional holidays that many people celebrate, but some may not. Or someone may make a humorous reference that applies to no one in particular. Let's be flexible in that regard and have the freedom to express certain common aspects that touch upon religious origins.

All we need is to cut off religious arguments that are augmented to prove a point.

This is desperately needed, in my opinion. This is a site for a video game franchise; religious arguments have no business here.

Banning Religous (lol can't spell today) beliefs? No.
Banning arguments regarding them? Yes.

I find it racist to ban anyone talking about religon, despite being athiest :P

It's nothing to do with race.

That said, banning any expression of religious beliefs at all is nigh on oppresion. However, I do know a forum which bans religious discussion due to how quickly it can break down into flame wars.

Quote: Burning Gnorc

It's nothing to do with race.

That said, banning any expression of religious beliefs at all is nigh on oppresion. However, I do know a forum which bans religious discussion due to how quickly it can break down into flame wars.

Racism is used for Religon too.

Quote: Cynder_fan

Banning Religous (lol can't spell today) beliefs? No.
Banning arguments regarding them? Yes.

I find it racist to ban anyone talking about religon, despite being athiest :P

Not banning Religion, Ban EXPRESSING your religion.

What about freedom of speech? Everyone has the right to be heard. And just because there's a topic on religion and people don't agree with each other (especially beliefs), doesn't mean that there can't be compromise or understanding. I mean, I have friends on here and in real life that are athiests and we have our disagreements about religion. But regardless, I tell them that if they respect my view points, I'll respect theirs. And it usually works! The thing is, not everyone is going to agree on everything that involves religion. But just because you don't believe it doesn't mean their can't be compromise.

I feel bad for making a halloween topic now. :/

Quote: SpyroGamer2008

What about freedom of speech? Everyone has the right to be heard. And just because there's a topic on religion and people don't agree with each other (especially beliefs), doesn't mean that there can't be compromise or understanding. I mean, I have friends on here and in real life that are athiests and we have our disagreements about religion. But regardless, I tell them that if they respect my view points, I'll respect theirs. And it usually works! The thing is, not everyone is going to agree on everything that involves religion. But just because you don't believe it doesn't mean their can't be compromise.

The thing is that the people don't respect the other users beliefs, leading into a lot of bashing, flaming, and possibly ban the user. If users here starts to learn how to respect the beliefs, then this thing will be drop easily.

Quote: Phantom

I feel bad for making a halloween topic now. :/

It didn't start with the Halloween topic.

Quote: Kyo Tanaka

Quote: SpyroGamer2008

What about freedom of speech? Everyone has the right to be heard. And just because there's a topic on religion and people don't agree with each other (especially beliefs), doesn't mean that there can't be compromise or understanding. I mean, I have friends on here and in real life that are athiests and we have our disagreements about religion. But regardless, I tell them that if they respect my view points, I'll respect theirs. And it usually works! The thing is, not everyone is going to agree on everything that involves religion. But just because you don't believe it doesn't mean their can't be compromise.

The thing is that the people don't respect the other users beliefs, leading into a lot of bashing, flaming, and possibly ban the user. If users here starts to learn how to respect the beliefs, then this thing will be drop easily.

Quote: Phantom

I feel bad for making a halloween topic now. :/

It didn't start with the Halloween topic.

I feel it unfair that a few people can be very nice towards others like this, while other users will bash the opinions of others for the dumbest reasons. It's an old war really...

Thanks. I feel better.

As far as I know, nearly every damn forum I go to has the No religious arguments rule intact. Really, some of us are quite stubborn to have our religious/non-religious thoughts be heard, to the point one bashes another simply for believing.

So really, we need this rule. BADLY.

Quote: Dragonhope

As far as I know, nearly every damn forum I go to has the No religious arguments rule intact. Really, some of us are quite stubborn to have our religious/non-religious thoughts be heard, to the point one bashes another simply for believing.

So really, we need this rule. BADLY.

I second this.

Users should be able to express each of their own beliefs, but for the individuals that can't handle hearing someone's else's opinion on, let's say, evolution, just don't bother discussing it at all.

Quote: Cynder_Rox

Users should be able to express each of their own beliefs, but for the individuals that can't handle hearing someone's else's opinion on, let's say, evolution, just don't bother discussing it at all.

It'll be discussed regardless of what people thinks or says.

Expressing it is fine. Arguing, however, is not, and unless expressing it is banned, then arguments will continue regardless.

Expressing even is somewhat iffy, depending on what you say, right? If I said, without any intentions of argument, that I did indeed looked down at all people who didn't believe in God, that would stir things up. Yet despite the fact that I never wanted an argument, nothing good can come from that.

You also have to keep in touch with what a good majority of people believe and how they would react to a potentially incredulous remark. It might not be a remark meant for arguing, but it's almost certainly ridiculous to a degree - at least that's what most people would think. Forgotten World and torok are some culprits. They're both super peaceful, but sometimes they say things that I thought should've been obvious they should keep to themselves. Remarks that, while sensible to them, would clearly be an irritation to many others.

expression example 1: I am a Christian, and I believe in God, like many others do. acceptable

expression example 2: Halloween is a holiday that I do not celebrate because it brings darkness to the people and the world. unacceptable

Exactly.

I agree with those who said others' beliefs should be respected. My best friend's religion is completely different from mine, and I respect that, thus leading to us being friends. Same should apply to the forums. Either respect one's religion or don't say anything at all.

I don't agree. Saying people shouldn't be allowed to express their religion is like saying the Freedom of Religion should be removed. Religous arguements are bad when they get out of hand,but that doesn't mean you should take the right away from people to have their religion.

I think that's taking "freedom" too literally. We're past the point of expressing a belief. It's where such arguments become hurtful to some people. What kind of tradeoff do you want?

- a site where people frequently pick upon religion and atheism, resulting in people to become emotionally hurt and may possibly leave the site or come less often, or
- a site in which people can converse freely in just about anything else without becoming emotionally hurt by the topic of religion/atheism, all the while maintaining their own beliefs

Also, you're not taking away religious freedom. You're referring to freedom of expression, and you're probably well aware that there are limitations to that.

I'm not talking about the flame wars over religion. I don't like those.

I don't support this idea becuase it's basically stating that if you make any statement about religion it should be against the rules.

That means if someone said something like,"I thank God,"which has no offensive meaning and could easily be ignored by Athiests,they would get banned.Which isn't right.

I don't think Kyo has defined her request all that well, so if possible, I'm sure something as simple as "I thank God" should be allowed. All of my other posts pretty much support this.

If you are right I may be a little more agreeable with that idea but just by looking at the title of the topic ,"Make Expressing Religion Beliefs against the rules",If that was the case it means that you could be banned for making any religious comment whatsoever.Offensive or not. That would be a heavy violation of rights.

Quote: bmah

I don't think Kyo has defined her request all that well, so if possible, I'm sure something as simple as "I thank God" should be allowed. All of my other posts pretty much support this.

lol, her

Quote: crazyspyrofan

If you are right I may be a little more agreeable with that idea but just by looking at the title of the topic ,"Make Expressing Religion Beliefs against the rules",If that was the case it means that you could be banned for making any religious comment whatsoever.Offensive or not. That would be a heavy violation of rights.

I thank god shouldn't been considered a heavy violation. >.>

By the topic title, I meant expressing your religious beliefs if it'll be targeted for flaming or bashing. I thank god shouldn't cause that.

Quote: Kyo Tanaka

Quote: bmah

I don't think Kyo has defined her request all that well, so if possible, I'm sure something as simple as "I thank God" should be allowed. All of my other posts pretty much support this.

lol, her

Quote: crazyspyrofan

If you are right I may be a little more agreeable with that idea but just by looking at the title of the topic ,"Make Expressing Religion Beliefs against the rules",If that was the case it means that you could be banned for making any religious comment whatsoever.Offensive or not. That would be a heavy violation of rights.

I thank god shouldn't been considered a heavy violation. >.>

By the topic title, I meant expressing your religious beliefs if it'll be targeted for flaming or bashing. I thank god shouldn't cause that.

Well,"I thank God"was an example,I meant minor and non-offensive religious posts should be allowed. You get the point though.

Anyways,I agree the flaming religious posts shouldn't be allowed.Really,flaming shouldn't be allowed in general.

Well, look at the admin. It happens and the users get away with it.

Yeah,I know.

Ok, opinion from dark52 please?

Quote: Cynder_fan

Banning Religous (lol can't spell today) beliefs? No.
Banning arguments regarding them? Yes.

I find it racist to ban anyone talking about religon, despite being athiest

I'm Athiest, does that mean I cannot say my Opinions on Religion? This basically means that I:

• Can say I'm Athiest.
  
• Can say I do not believe in God.
  
• Cannot speak my opinions on Religion itself.
  
• Cannot make Jokes regarding Religion.
  

Wheras we are saying Religious people can debate that God does exsist? Not exactly fair is it.

Quote: bmah

Expressing even is somewhat iffy, depending on what you say, right? If I said, without any intentions of argument, that I did indeed looked down at all people who didn't believe in God, that would stir things up. Yet despite the fact that I never wanted an argument, nothing good can come from that.

You also have to keep in touch with what a good majority of people believe and how they would react to a potentially incredulous remark. It might not be a remark meant for arguing, but it's almost certainly ridiculous to a degree - at least that's what most people would think. Forgotten World and torok are some culprits. They're both super peaceful, but sometimes they say things that I thought should've been obvious they should keep to themselves. Remarks that, while sensible to them, would clearly be an irritation to many others.

expression example 1: I am a Christian, and I believe in God, like many others do. acceptable

expression example 2: Halloween is a holiday that I do not celebrate because it brings darkness to the people and the world. unacceptable

Agreed.
Example of Christian:
Quote: Christian

Quote: Athiest

Religion needs to loosen up. Remember, religious people without Evil there is no Good? Not Haloween is basically like no birth of Christ (Whom I do not believe in.)

It's a Festival of Darkness and Hate and does not deserve the respect it gets.

That is not fair, saying that it's not good. I'm an Athiest yet do I say;
Quote: Me

Christmas celebrates the birth of the Lord and I don't believe in him so it doesn't deserve respect.

???
No.
That's basically whatI get from people who hate me. One joke about Satan and I get;
Quote: Me

Quote: Christian

YOU SILLY CHILD! THAT IS NOT A JOKE YET IT IS A REAL TERROR! IT'S LIKE POVERTY AND YOU JOKE ABOUT THAT?

Yes I do joke about it. have a right to laughter.

That's my anger gone. I feel better now! Thanks Topic!

Quote: Malefor0001

Quote: Cynder_fan

Banning Religous (lol can't spell today) beliefs? No.
Banning arguments regarding them? Yes.

I find it racist to ban anyone talking about religon, despite being athiest

I'm Athiest, does that mean I cannot say my Opinions on Religion? This basically means that I:

• Can say I'm Athiest.
  
• Can say I do not believe in God.
  
• Cannot speak my opinions on Religion itself.
  
• Cannot make Jokes regarding Religion.
  

Wheras we are saying Religious people can debate that God does exsist? Not exactly fair is it.

Quote: bmah

Expressing even is somewhat iffy, depending on what you say, right? If I said, without any intentions of argument, that I did indeed looked down at all people who didn't believe in God, that would stir things up. Yet despite the fact that I never wanted an argument, nothing good can come from that.

You also have to keep in touch with what a good majority of people believe and how they would react to a potentially incredulous remark. It might not be a remark meant for arguing, but it's almost certainly ridiculous to a degree - at least that's what most people would think. Forgotten World and torok are some culprits. They're both super peaceful, but sometimes they say things that I thought should've been obvious they should keep to themselves. Remarks that, while sensible to them, would clearly be an irritation to many others.

expression example 1: I am a Christian, and I believe in God, like many others do. acceptable

expression example 2: Halloween is a holiday that I do not celebrate because it brings darkness to the people and the world. unacceptable

Agreed.
Example of Christian:
Quote: Christian

Quote: Athiest

Religion needs to loosen up. Remember, religious people without Evil there is no Good? Not Haloween is basically like no birth of Christ (Whom I do not believe in.)

It's a Festival of Darkness and Hate and does not deserve the respect it gets.

That is not fair, saying that it's not good. I'm an Athiest yet do I say;
Quote: Me

Christmas celebrates the birth of the Lord and I don't believe in him so it doesn't deserve respect.

???
No.
That's basically whatI get from people who hate me. One joke about Satan and I get;
Quote: Me

Quote: Christian

YOU SILLY CHILD! THAT IS NOT A JOKE YET IT IS A REAL TERROR! IT'S LIKE POVERTY AND YOU JOKE ABOUT THAT?

Yes I do joke about it. have a right to laughter.

That's my anger gone. I feel better now! Thanks Topic!

I don't think it's fair that Christians aren't allowed to say bad things about Halloween,but Athiests should be allowed to crack jokes that are obviously offensive to Christians.

I think that's crossing the line if we're considering a new rule in a more stricter context. Right now, that's all we're doing you know.

I would not tell people my religion anyways. I'm a big enough loser as it is.

Quote: crazyspyrofan

Quote: Malefor0001

Quote: Cynder_fan

Banning Religous (lol can't spell today) beliefs? No.
Banning arguments regarding them? Yes.

I find it racist to ban anyone talking about religon, despite being athiest

I'm Athiest, does that mean I cannot say my Opinions on Religion? This basically means that I:

• Can say I'm Athiest.
  
• Can say I do not believe in God.
  
• Cannot speak my opinions on Religion itself.
  
• Cannot make Jokes regarding Religion.
  

Wheras we are saying Religious people can debate that God does exsist? Not exactly fair is it.

Quote: bmah

Expressing even is somewhat iffy, depending on what you say, right? If I said, without any intentions of argument, that I did indeed looked down at all people who didn't believe in God, that would stir things up. Yet despite the fact that I never wanted an argument, nothing good can come from that.

You also have to keep in touch with what a good majority of people believe and how they would react to a potentially incredulous remark. It might not be a remark meant for arguing, but it's almost certainly ridiculous to a degree - at least that's what most people would think. Forgotten World and torok are some culprits. They're both super peaceful, but sometimes they say things that I thought should've been obvious they should keep to themselves. Remarks that, while sensible to them, would clearly be an irritation to many others.

expression example 1: I am a Christian, and I believe in God, like many others do. acceptable

expression example 2: Halloween is a holiday that I do not celebrate because it brings darkness to the people and the world. unacceptable

Agreed.
Example of Christian:
Quote: Christian

It's a Festival of Darkness and Hate and does not deserve the respect it gets.

That is not fair, saying that it's not good. I'm an Athiest yet do I say;
Quote: Me

Christmas celebrates the birth of the Lord and I don't believe in him so it doesn't deserve respect.

???
No.
That's basically whatI get from people who hate me. One joke about Satan and I get;
Quote: Me

Yes I do joke about it. have a right to laughter.

That's my anger gone. I feel better now! Thanks Topic!

I don't think it's fair that Christians aren't allowed to say bad things about Halloween,but Athiests should be allowed to crack jokes that are obviously offensive to Christians.

Oh, don't worry, I'm not saying that in any way. I just felt a bit peed off because of something that happened, so I just needed to take my anger out on something, and I accidentily let it go here.

Quote: bmah

I think that's crossing the line if we're considering a new rule in a more stricter context. Right now, that's all we're doing you know.

Agreed. A rule about not being allowed to say your beliefs is a bit unfair...

Quote: Phantom

I would not tell people my religion anyways. I'm a big enough loser as it is.

Don't critisise yourself. I'm pretty sure you are not a Loser.

Quote: Dragonhope

As far as I know, nearly every damn forum I go to has the No religious arguments rule intact. Really, some of us are quite stubborn to have our religious/non-religious thoughts be heard, to the point one bashes another simply for believing.

So really, we need this rule. BADLY.

I'll restate this again in my most convincing tone, lol.

Y'know why we NEED this rule? Ye want this whole forum to become a Religion VS. Athestism (sp?) war? Really, some people are as stubborn as heck and will try their hardest to get a person to see their point of view. For example, an atheist might offend a Christian through a joke, yet the atheist will not take back what they said all for their own amusement.

One can continously argue about freedom, but this kind of rule isn't really something like taking away to speak a religion, but simply banning insulting one's religion, or else we'll be flooded in a new religious war, and this site will no longer be a Spyro fansite, RIGHT....?

(Cuz we all know of the Great Religious War that happened sometime last year, riiiiiiiiiight? )

Agreed, Dragonhope.

This rule is about banning Expressing, not insulting. This rule should be accepted, because there are many other ways to communicate and expressing Religious beliefs outside of this site.


This is a site about Spyro, not about religion.

If the site is strictly only for Spyro,Then what is the point of the Non-Spyro section?

Forums aren't exactly a good place to bring up religious topics...

I say keep it in the sig. That usually works well...

Then again, I think it's unfair that religous users can't say their opinions/believes when Athiests could.

i agree its cuasing to many flame wars

I think you need to target the ones who start the wars. It's actually not the religous people's fault (aside from the immature ones), but the people who argue against them. Just ban religous arguments..

One problem... Bithday, Easter, Christmas, Halloween ETC... All topics relating any of these things would have to be gone... And seeing as the website has a birthday system, then that's failed already. It won't happen...

This topic is win.Just sayin'.

dark52, it would be nice to hear your thoughts on the issue. Thanks.


Quote: Cynder_fan

I think you need to target the ones who start the wars. It's actually not the religous people's fault (aside from the immature ones), but the people who argue against them. Just ban religous arguments..

No, stop blaming someone or something. What no one likes is an argumentative person. That's where people get annoyed...whether the argument is with or against their favor. It's mostly how you present yourself in a debate. Debates are good, arguments with no resolutions aren't. Often, we argue thinking that we could come to a resolution, but a long-lasting thread will clearly show otherwise.

The non-Spyro section is just for anything that's not Spyro. You can easily ban religious talk and still have a fully functioning non-Spyro forum.

The thing is, if you wanted to talk about religion so badly, you always do it through PMs or even take it outside the DS forums.

So we can't say 'Christianity is a good religion' but we can say 'Atheism is BS'?

I don't quite get it.

Ugh, I already explained that sort of thing earlier. Just read up a bit. Also, dark52 hasn't responded yet. I'd like to hear his thoughts, please.

Most likely "denied". It's clamping down on free-will.