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So does this mean that Skylanders is going to start diving into more mature themes? And by mature themes, I don't mean ESRB-wise, like we're not gonna see Stealth Elf with huge jugalos, it's still a kid's game... I mean, delving into topics like death?

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A SKYLANDER ALMOST DIED IN THE COMICS.



I mean, granted, she's a robot, but still, they almost killed her off! That's pretty gruesome for this series.

So does this mean that Skylanders is going to start diving into more mature themes? And by mature themes, I don't mean ESRB-wise, like we're not gonna see Stealth Elf with huge jugalos, it's still a kid's game... I mean, delving into topics like death?

I'm honestly kind of expecting this. With the plot of SSC being much more intense than before and all Skylanders games connecting starting with SSC, I wouldn't be surprised (but very happy) if the series got darker. I don't mean SUPER DARK, but Adventure Time dark, where's their perfect balance of bright happy colors and grimmer, sinister moments.

And don't forget that in the previous arc, Hex was physically beat up to the point of getting a black eye and destroyed clothing. Or in the books, with the Nightmare King almost wiping out Portal Masters and humans by extent(and Eon knows how many Skylanders died for nothing trying to save them) out of nothing but to rule unchallenged.

The series definately could get darker but it feels more like it'd fit between the lines - a kid will look at this and say 'oh, Gearshift just needed time to reboot' but you look at the frame for another second and Mags is kinda mourning a robot despite being a tech expert - enough to not scare anyone straight but blow an older fan's mind.

Slightly off-topic, but what issue did that occur in?

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Slightly off-topic, but what issue did that occur in?

Gearshift in 10(Light in the Dark Part 1 - Bringing the Pain-yatta), Hex in 7(Return of the Dragon King Part 1 - All's Fairy in Love and War).

I would really like if they could somehow bring back the old Skylanders which tried to protect their Portal Masters from the Nightmare King.
I love how the Giants really have an "ancient and powerful" feel to them: even Bouncer looks like an old machine not a new and moder one like Gearshift or Spy Rise for example.

Back on topic I like the cheerful and colorful mood of the new games but would sincerely prefer some darker tones here and there: SuoerChargers seems to be a step in the right direction from this point of view.
Just think about some of the SA backstories: cursed armors, children forced the constantly born and die, creatures which turned undead after some events, orphans, rejected hybrids... There is some pretty mature (if not plain dark) stuff right here.

SA and Giants (to lesser extents) nailed the mood of the game to me.
Trap Team went kinda close but still had a prevailing silly aspect.

I'm confident SuperChargers will somehow be the start of a new "era" for the Skylands since all the games from now on will be directly connected.

I don't think they'll ever kill off a skylander, because then that figure would have to not be playable in any games that came after the event. Maybe an NPC though (here's hoping it's Mags). That would be a pretty big thing for this franchise actually, to see something like that happen would be a great shake up. Though I'd say the ones who are safe would be Flynn, Kaos, and Eon.

Machine Ghost is already the first friendly NPC to have died,but being a machine he got better. Though now, if Gearshift could kick the bucket permanently, it's hard to wonder if he counts unless it's different rules depending on the robot.

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I don't think they'll ever kill off a skylander, because then that figure would have to not be playable in any games that came after the event. Maybe an NPC though (here's hoping it's Mags). That would be a pretty big thing for this franchise actually, to see something like that happen would be a great shake up. Though I'd say the ones who are safe would be Flynn, Kaos, and Eon.

Not happening~
Mags is undead, she's already dead

Time to shake things up...

Yes i want deaths in Skylanders. Please make this happend!

No Skylanders should die but some NPCs should.

Am I the only one who thought Gearshift was pregnant when I first saw this image?

She would totally not be in this situation, but weird thought...

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No Skylanders should die but some NPCs should.

No NPC's it's boring and too obvious.

...It's as obvious as "The final boss will be defeated by the end of the game". It's kind of part of any video game story. Killing a Skylander can't happen during the game because you may not have it, happening during a book or comic will make people feel like they've been stolen a skylander because they couldn't guess who and now lost money. It could never be integrated to the story.

Besides, it's someone's favorite character you wanting or not.The death will never be satisfying, the loss will never be good to a kid who just learned the people they admire can die. Don't even say 'just do it to Funny Bone/Boomer/Bumble Blast', no he's someone's favorite character for real. And no, kids don't have to get told this kind of stuff at the age of 5-10, they'll see more than enough in the real world unless they're on the edgelord phase this soon, and in that case it's not necessary.

Just remember
The ghost robot died in Giants

Sure he came back, unexplicably, at the end

That ONE moement, however, helped make that game's story the best

I think it was explained that he could be fixed somewhere, but one line of dialogue would've helped out a lot ingame. Ermit doesn't look the sort to know how to fix a haunted robot he probably barely cared about before leaving it at the Frozen Wastelands of Vesh.

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...It's as obvious as "The final boss will be defeated by the end of the game". It's kind of part of any video game story. Killing a Skylander can't happen during the game because you may not have it, happening during a book or comic will make people feel like they've been stolen a skylander because they couldn't guess who and now lost money. It could never be integrated to the story.

Besides, it's someone's favorite character you wanting or not.The death will never be satisfying, the loss will never be good to a kid who just learned the people they admire can die. Don't even say 'just do it to Funny Bone/Boomer/Bumble Blast', no he's someone's favorite character for real. And no, kids don't have to get told this kind of stuff at the age of 5-10, they'll see more than enough in the real world unless they're on the edgelord phase this soon, and in that case it's not necessary.

You're such a party pooper. Kids are not an excuse to for not killing a Character. The comic one Skylander almost died but it would be better if a character died and it was a hero, anyway kids will learn that heroes are not invencible.

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You're such a party pooper. Kids are not an excuse to for not killing a Character. The comic one Skylander almost died but it would be better if a character died and it was a hero, anyway kids will learn that heroes are not invencible.

And you're really trying to push the edge where it doesn't need to be. Kids don't need to learn that the world sucks and they'll die someday when they're 5, cut them some slack. They still have years to enjoy being innocent and it's just cruel to tell them they're not allowed some. Might sound dumb to some of you now, but believe me, you wouldn't want to have your childhood ruined, if not even traumatized.

Just think about it. That would be more interesting to see and people would just shut up about about the series.

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Just think about it. That would be more interesting to see and people would just shut up about about the series.

I thought about it. It's a silly, edgy idea that would cause people to be EVEN MORE MAD no matter how it was implemented. No one will shut up about the series because they dig for excuses to hate it, becoming "mature(read: edgy)" doesn't change that.

People need to chill out beacuse i want character deaths in Skylanders.

"Gearshift is tired and needs to rest. Place another Skylander on the portal." Someone beat the level with another Skylander so she revived, simple as that. LOL

I bet a lot of people here would love if she did die as she's not among the more popular characters to use in game. She's personally my fav in Trap Team and I would have been rather sad to see her die in comic. It would be a lot like when Doc or Lady Jaye from G. I. Joe died in comic. I always thought GI Joe was too kiddie to have real deaths but it happens in the comics. So perhaps it could happen in a Skylanders comic someday? I would welcome it myself, even if it were a fav of mine if it enhances the story.

I got to thinking and the extreme side of the coin would like the Transformers movie when nearly everyone dies off and for the most part for good...that really effected me as a 12 year old and I just couldn't enjoy the crud with Hot Rod and the series after that as it got a little too dark and not very light hearted. I'm guessing Skylanders is just too kiddie compared to GI Joe and Transformers and this is 2015 and not 1985, so they probably wouldn't do something so stupid like that today. Who knows?

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People need to chill out beacuse i want character deaths in Skylanders.

You need to chill out because just because you think skylander deaths are awesome,doesn't mean other people are just in denial - again, try implementing that without having a fan eventually have genuine reasons to complain about it and no possibility that someone's collection was compromised in some way, have fun. It's not like a show or a franchise where you only have merchandise of a character - you have the character. It's literally saying you can't have that DLC you spent real money on despite fowards compatibility still being in effect.

I think no one would like to see any Skylander die.

Regarding people who think this is a childish and stupid series... Let them be wrong.
I know a lot of people who collect and show-off their Amiibos (even if they are not even true TtL) and yet doesn't even want to hear about Skylanders?

Why?
Because they had the guts to create a brand new universe starting almost from zero (Spyro did help don't get me wrong) and continuously try to deliver unique and fun playable characters.

"But... Ooooh, sorry... They are not Pikachu/Yoshi/Samus.
They are just kids' toys.

Grow up, buy some true games.
What, my Amiibos...?
They are not toys... They are collectable figures.
Now go play again with your stupid monsters"

I don't have anything against Amiibos in particular, those were simply real life experiences.
The point is we are all on the same boat, whether we are Skylanders, Infinity or Amiibos fans.
And there are no classes on it.

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People need to chill out beacuse i want character deaths in Skylanders.

You need to chill out because just because you think skylander deaths are awesome,doesn't mean other people are just in denial - again, try implementing that without having a fan eventually have genuine reasons to complain about it and no possibility that someone's collection was compromised in some way, have fun. It's not like a show or a franchise where you only have merchandise of a character - you have the character. It's literally saying you can't have that DLC you spent real money on despite fowards compatibility still being in effect.

And you must think you're the most awesome person in the world, beacuse you're always think your opinion is better then others.
Oh please it's just about a character about to die. People think it's sick having a death in Skylanders.

...I literally said I think it's sick to think kids should get used to seeing their heroes dying in a family oriented game,just in different words.
Sigh, I know where this conversation is headed, I remember last time I tried to discuss something with you. Not continuing this argument.

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I don't have anything against Amiibos in particular, those were simply real life experiences.
The point is we are all on the same boat, whether we are Skylanders, Infinity or Amiibos fans.
And there are no classes on it.

But it still has that 'existing character' vs 'new character' argument a lot of people use. Are they both merch? Are they both DLC? Are they both both? I don't even know anymore.

I personally prefer never seen before characters but never thought they were objectively better in any possible way.

It's just a matter of tastes.

People need to understand we are all little kids in the inside (maybe someone more than the others).
But we are also mature now at least the people I was referring to.

We can all like what we think is better... But really there isn't truly anything better.

Except Dune Bug.

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I think no one would like to see any Skylander die.

Regarding people who think this is a childish and stupid series... Let them be wrong.
I know a lot of people who collect and show-off their Amiibos (even if they are not even true TtL) and yet doesn't even want to hear about Skylanders?

Why?
Because they had the guts to create a brand new universe starting almost from zero (Spyro did help don't get me wrong) and continuously try to deliver unique and fun playable characters.

"But... Ooooh, sorry... They are not Pikachu/Yoshi/Samus.
They are just kids' toys.

Grow up, buy some true games.
What, my Amiibos...?
They are not toys... They are collectable figures.
Now go play again with your stupid monsters"

I don't have anything against Amiibos in particular, those were simply real life experiences.
The point is we are all on the same boat, whether we are Skylanders, Infinity or Amiibos fans.
And there are no classes on it.

THIS. EXACTLY.

Does Mario have a sword for his tail? Or does Samus shoot tomatoes out of her arm cannon?

"No, that's completely ridiculous!"

YEAH IT IS!

Okay, sorry, got off topic for a bit...

Death in kids franchises is something that can be done tastefully, but I don't think permanent death necessarily belongs in main-series Skylanders games. Especially not the Skylanders themselves, because people own the figures and expect to continue using them. And anyway, given the series' open-endedness as far as which characters you're using, the death could end up not affecting you at all, or taking out your star Skylander.

NPC's might be allowed to die, though. But the real question is what death really entails in Skylands. Eon got caught up in the Core of Light's explosion and turned into a spirit floating head thingy, but according to Hugo, he didn't die. Do all characters who die become part of the Undead element? In SSA, Quigley asks Cynder if she really came back from the dead if you talk to him as her. One of the Story Scrolls in SSA implies that everyone becomes Undead when they die. Can Undead characters die, then? And do robotic characters become Undead, or do they just shut down?

Thinking about that, in SSA (before Giants revealed that Arkeyans were pretty much all robots), there are two Skylanders whose backstories say they were Arkeyan: Chop Chop (Undead, part of a line of elemental soldiers according to his backstory) and Drill Sergeant (Tech). Given they are so long-lived, does that mean those are the two elements that can't really die?

Now I'm rambling, but it's stuff to think about. Skylanders doesn't really have the finality of death that many other universes have.

But wasn't Mags ?

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Death in kids franchises is something that can be done tastefully, but I don't think permanent death necessarily belongs in main-series Skylanders games. Especially not the Skylanders themselves, because people own the figures and expect to continue using them. And anyway, given the series' open-endedness as far as which characters you're using, the death could end up not affecting you at all, or taking out your star Skylander.

NPC's might be allowed to die, though. But the real question is what death really entails in Skylands. Eon got caught up in the Core of Light's explosion and turned into a spirit floating head thingy, but according to Hugo, he didn't die. Do all characters who die become part of the Undead element? In SSA, Quigley asks Cynder if she really came back from the dead if you talk to him as her. One of the Story Scrolls in SSA implies that everyone becomes Undead when they die. Can Undead characters die, then? And do robotic characters become Undead, or do they just shut down?

Thinking about that, in SSA (before Giants revealed that Arkeyans were pretty much all robots), there are two Skylanders whose backstories say they were Arkeyan: Chop Chop (Undead, part of a line of elemental soldiers according to his backstory) and Drill Sergeant (Tech). Given they are so long-lived, does that mean those are the two elements that can't really die?

Now I'm rambling, but it's stuff to think about. Skylanders doesn't really have the finality of death that many other universes have.

Agreed with your first sentence. If Disney, Marvel, Dreamworks and even Nickelodeon can have deaths in their shows even the ones for kids, then just about anyone can do it.

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Just remember
The ghost robot died in Giants

Sure he came back, unexplicably, at the end

That ONE moement, however, helped make that game's story the best

Shakespearean tragedies make for the best story and drama. With so many skylanders, it's hard to have this kind of arc, but I would welcome it.

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But wasn't Mags ?

........ *sigh*

They should be deaths. That would give the story a twist and people would shut up about the series.

^I'm sorry to say, but that can't be the only reason why there should be.

We all have different opinions on this subject, can't we just accept them and not get all defensive?

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^I'm sorry to say, but that can't be the only reason why there should be.

We all have different opinions on this subject, can't we just accept them and not get all defensive?

Well you don't really like that people are always hating on Skylanders right? Deaths will change everything. Seriously people has been against me since i said i want a death in a videogame.

Even if death was added in, those fans will complain about Spyro now "being dark" and find more and more excuses to bash Skylanders. They'll never be satisfied, until they get their precious classics back.

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Even if death was added in, those fans will complain about Spyro now "being dark" and find more and more excuses to bash Skylanders. They'll never be satisfied, until they get their precious classics back.

People are no fun arround here. So what they if a character dies? Just beacuse Gearshift was near to death(In a Comic) and i said i want more deaths in Skylanders people as been a party poopers and against with me. "Fans want a darker story? Let's give them a darker story" but no...
"It's a bad idea!". Please Darker Story is better then a boring plain story.

Keybas, there will be times on forums like darkSpyro.net where users debate with each other on their opinions regarding a certain subject. As I said before, we all have different opinions, and we all can't share the same mindset. You want a more gruesome darker story, others think differently and don't want one. It's something you have to live with.

How many times i going to tell the internet it's KeybasH KEYBASH! Grusome and Dark story i only said i wanted a death not that everyone dies in the game.

The best heroic death scenes are always when a villain-turned-hero dies while atoning for his past actions by making a final stand against the enemy.


So I say they should kill off a reformed Chompy Mage. Or maybe Sheep Creep.

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A SKYLANDER ALMOST DIED IN THE COMICS.

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I mean, granted, she's a robot, but still, they almost killed her off! That's pretty gruesome for this series.

So does this mean that Skylanders is going to start diving into more mature themes? And by mature themes, I don't mean ESRB-wise, like we're not gonna see Stealth Elf with huge jugalos, it's still a kid's game... I mean, delving into topics like death?

I'm honestly kind of expecting this. With the plot of SSC being much more intense than before and all Skylanders games connecting starting with SSC, I wouldn't be surprised (but very happy) if the series got darker. I don't mean SUPER DARK, but Adventure Time dark, where's their perfect balance of bright happy colors and grimmer, sinister moments.

Way to un-spoiler it.

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The best heroic death scenes are always when a villain-turned-hero dies while atoning for his past actions by making a final stand against the enemy.

So I say they should kill off a reformed Chompy Mage. Or maybe Sheep Creep.

You'd have to like them first, otherwise it just feels like good riddance of a jerk(yeah as morbid and selfish as it sounds). Which is why Machine Ghost is such a gut punch to prove how hardcore Kaos can get if his buttons are pushed - he did everything in his power to help you get a little farther just because you saved him from some chompies that probably wouldn't do much. The fact he has such disproportionate generosity is what makes seeing him die or be dangerously close to final death so sad.
Chompy Mage annoyed some Wilikin because he didn't want to ask for directions, Sheep Creep has less than 3 minutes of screentime if you don't play as him, not much to do from there.

Honestly I think tackling death may get complaints from parents. I would love the series to get darker. And I think it will just not too far in maybe just barely touching the water ?
Maybe a npc death ? But I think a npc death is as far as they will go.

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Honestly I think tackling death may get complaints from parents. I would love the series to get darker. And I think it will just not too far in maybe just barely touching the water ?
Maybe a npc death ? But I think a npc death is as far as they will go.

Cancel the series, since the objective is to fight and destroy the enemy. I don't exactly see that troll go to sleep after I whomp it.

Defeat the enemy. Exploding into XP is just a side effect and totally not caused by being roflstomped.

Thats Gearshift? I thought it was Astroblast for some reason

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Defeat the enemy. Exploding into XP is just a side effect and totally not caused by being roflstomped.

Oh no. The XP are body parts. I'm eating them.

I thought Spyro's Adventures, Giants and maybe even the 3DS games were a good blend of kiddy yet dark enough games.
No i don't think skylanders should exactly die.