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There is hope for a remake of The Legend of Spyro games
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#1 Posted: 07:28:02 12/08/2019 | Topic Creator
https://www.oneangrygamer.net/...ting-ips/90646/

Activision sees a bright future in re-visiting older IPs in its catalog of games now. so there's a bigger chance than ever we might see a remake of The Legend of Spyro games smilie
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#2 Posted: 07:35:24 12/08/2019
Developing new Spyro games and remaking games from other old IPs that Activision owns =/= hope for them to remake Legend of Spyro anything at any point.

Even if there is hope for them to do so, there'd be hardly any point as it would do more harm than good in the eyes of the fandom majority.

They weren't even that great to begin with, especially Dawn of The Dragon. :/ (This is coming from someone who still kind of likes the first two games in the Legend trilogy, mind you)
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#3 Posted: 07:39:29 12/08/2019
No with the remakes of the classic trilogy they more than likely going to continue the classic game stuff. In fact when Reignited was announced/released Activision told F4F to not make Legend of Spyro statues, and focus on Reignited statues instead.

They only brought up the success of Crash, Spyro, and CTR. Seeing remaking other IPs might be a good profit, not that they were remaking more games from Crash or Spyro.
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#4 Posted: 07:48:23 12/08/2019
Yeah, they also never said anything about remaking other Crash and Spyro games. They merely mentioned their success as a reasoning behind why they're considering remaking games from other IPs, not Crash or Spyro.
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#5 Posted: 19:22:18 12/08/2019
People are taking what they said out of context. They're definately going to be making new Spyro content, but I doubt they'll be remaking any of the games. They'll probably use ideas from the later games, sure, but none of them are worth remaking because they all sold pretty poorly lol.
I do hope they eventually include some characters from tLoS in some new games though! Classic Iggy! Imagine!
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#6 Posted: 23:42:44 12/08/2019
I want new games, **** remakes lmao
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#7 Posted: 02:54:08 13/08/2019
No remake of this please smilie
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#8 Posted: 05:39:47 15/08/2019
This set of games, for as much as some Spyro franchise fans like them, killed the franchise a second time. We wouldn't have Spyro Reignited if Skylanders and Crash N'Sane hadn't a) rebooted Spyro a third time and b) proved that old IPs (literally old, not just a decade) were worthwhile. Some elements of LoS might make it into future Spyro titles, but these games aren't well known by the wider public at all, let alone fondly remembered. It's just not financially sound for Activision to bring these games back.
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#9 Posted: 22:10:03 15/08/2019
I doubt these babies will be remade anytime soon, but if they ever do get to that point, I hope that the developers can improve on whatever was missing.
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#10 Posted: 22:24:39 15/08/2019
Only remake that TLoS series needs is a full Krome studios developed iteration of Dawn of the Dragon. The Dawn of the Dragon we all got was poor copy of God of War with plot-hole-ridden fanfiction story with boring controls and botched flight controls.

P.S.

I really hate TLos: DotD, it is the worst Spyro game in existence.
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#11 Posted: 03:58:02 16/08/2019
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Only remake that TLoS series needs is a full Krome studios developed iteration of Dawn of the Dragon. The Dawn of the Dragon we all got was poor copy of God of War with plot-hole-ridden fanfiction story with boring controls and botched flight controls.

P.S.

I really hate TLos: DotD, it is the worst Spyro game in existence.



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#12 Posted: 01:24:07 21/08/2019
YES. You can tell in the first two games just how much of the heart that’s in the series was put there vpby the Krome staff.
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#13 Posted: 15:30:17 21/08/2019
I would like a remake but unfortunately I can't see it happening with Classic Spyro being brought back successfully. It makes more sense for them to carry on with Classic Spyro in a brand new game. A Hero's Tail is not broken, it's fine as it is. EtD is very broke and everyone hates it, I can only see certain levels from it being remade and brought back into a new Spyro game. A full remaster is a no.

If the new Classic Spyro hype dies down again, and there's a few years with no release of Spyro. Then I think a LoS remake would be possible. It would certainly be the right time. Change up the gameplay, add in the extras they didn't have time for, and with it's interesting story and characters it could be great.

I disagree with the LoS 'haters' claiming it killed Spyro. If that was true there wouldn't have been 3 games. They would have stopped at ANB. And DOTD was the most successful in terms of sales. It is now quite expensive in second hand game shops!
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#14 Posted: 16:31:54 21/08/2019
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I would like a remake but unfortunately I can't see it happening with Classic Spyro being brought back successfully. It makes more sense for them to carry on with Classic Spyro in a brand new game. A Hero's Tail is not broken, it's fine as it is. EtD is very broke and everyone hates it, I can only see certain levels from it being remade and brought back into a new Spyro game. A full remaster is a no.

If the new Classic Spyro hype dies down again, and there's a few years with no release of Spyro. Then I think a LoS remake would be possible. It would certainly be the right time. Change up the gameplay, add in the extras they didn't have time for, and with it's interesting story and characters it could be great.

I disagree with the LoS 'haters' claiming it killed Spyro. If that was true there wouldn't have been 3 games. They would have stopped at ANB. And DOTD was the most successful in terms of sales. It is now quite expensive in second hand game shops!



Pretty much this.

Besides, TLOS doesn't feel like it even needs a remaster, at least when compared to all the games that are/were remastered.
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#15 Posted: 19:30:09 22/08/2019
DotE sold okay, though not as well as ANB given that ANB became a red box best seller and DotD...didn’t. Critically, ANB did fine, while DotD was only considered okay because it wasn’t TEN. And it did kill the Spyro franchise for a second time. Why do you think we have Skylanders and not Spyro’s Kingdom (which was a LoS sequel that just didn’t pan out)?

Regardless, I do agree with everything else stated above. Although I’m not sure if we’ll ever go back to that sort of “gritty, dark” reboot. That was kind of a thing in the late 00s and it was kind of stale by 2009 already. These days, there’s a huge upswing in happier, brighter games, even in the more serious genres.
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#16 Posted: 11:50:15 23/08/2019
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DotE sold okay, though not as well as ANB given that ANB became a red box best seller and DotD...didn’t. Critically, ANB did fine, while DotD was only considered okay because it wasn’t TEN. And it did kill the Spyro franchise for a second time. Why do you think we have Skylanders and not Spyro’s Kingdom (which was a LoS sequel that just didn’t pan out)?

Regardless, I do agree with everything else stated above. Although I’m not sure if we’ll ever go back to that sort of “gritty, dark” reboot. That was kind of a thing in the late 00s and it was kind of stale by 2009 already. These days, there’s a huge upswing in happier, brighter games, even in the more serious genres.



I'm sorry but you are incredibly wrong with the sales http://forum.darkspyro.net/spy...php?topic=12983. And I don't know where you're pulling the rest of the 'facts' from.


It didn't kill the franchise, LoS was a trilogy that ended. Have you played the Spyro's Kingdom demo? It's awful, anyone would say 'no that's not good enough, come back with something new'. Spyro would not be in Skylanders if LoS killed it. EtD killed Spyro's sales. If it wasn't such a bad game the latter games would have sold better. People can't seem to get over one bad game.
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#17 Posted: 01:06:16 24/08/2019
I truly hope there isn't a remake. It doesn't need it. Classic Spyro needed it because it was psx graphics (not that they're bad), so it deserved an upgrade. There's just no reason for a TLoS remake. The games look fine, why remake it? Don't fix what isn't broken.

I look forward to new Spyro games though.
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#18 Posted: 19:24:26 25/08/2019
Sorry Ice Dragoness but that link proves my point. If people had enjoyed LoS, the sales would have been better than that. I’m getting more of my info from reviews of the games; the only people who thought LoS was anything but mediocre were dedicated Spyro fans, if even them. Critically, the series was pretty looked down on. Spyro was in Skylanders because the original trilogy is fondly remembered by a lot of people outside the fandom and Activision, rightly, was banking on that nostalgia to help launch that franchise (which worked). If LoS had been more successful they would have worked harder to continue it instead of just dumping Spyro’s Kingdom (which of course plays bad; it’s not even a demo and at that stage in development all games are bad).

Regardless, my point stands. LoS was never enough of a success for Activision to consider remaking it. The only people who even remember it at all are Spyro franchise fans like us. On the whole, more people remember EtD. If not for Skylanders and the success of the Crash remakes, DitD would have been the final Spyro game.
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#19 Posted: 17:39:44 26/08/2019
But you claimed ANB sold the most copies when it actually sold the least??? That's not proving your point. DOTD was still the best selling game since EtD, that's not the huge failure you're making it out to be.
Enough people enjoyed it for it to get 3 games and a completed story. That wasn't the case for Crash's reboot which only got 2.

Spyro was in Skylanders to get a foot in with sales. Everyone knows that.

Spyro's Kingdom was not just dumped. More development was made after they decided it would have been a different universe to LoS while it still had the name 'Spyro's Kingdom'. There's screenshots of an early version of the website to prove this.

If anything Shadow Legacy killed Spyro, if that had been a success we wouldn't have had LoS.
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#20 Posted: 03:41:08 28/08/2019
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LoS was never enough of a success for Activision to consider remaking it.



Basically this
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#21 Posted: 23:46:43 29/08/2019
All I remember is that ANB made it to PS2 Greatest Hits and DotD didn’t. I thought Greatest Hits was based on sales but maybe not? Or it could just be that DotD being on a bunch of other systems boosted its overall sales. Doesn’t change that it was a critical flop and so bland that even Spyro fans can’t agree about it. We can all agree EtD was memorably bad and the public has heard of it. LoS was just mediocre all around and even the fandom stayed small and obscure until Skylanders came out.

Sales figures aside, it seems like it would be easier to find used copies of DotD if people had really bought it. Those figures don’t account for people returning the game.

How did SL kill Spyro? Nobody even knew it existed. XD It came out in the years after EtD when the franchise was already a shambling corpse of itself and on a handheld. It’s not the sort of thing that would make or break a franchise, it just exists and that’s it.

tl:dr: My point is that LoS was not good enough by any metric for anyone to remake it. I won’t be changing my mind unless this very improbable remake happens. And I don’t think it ever will. Most Spyro fans aren’t even interested and that’s the only demographic that even remembers LoS.
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#22 Posted: 09:19:13 30/08/2019
I remember reading that Shadow Legacy would have been the last Spyro game if they didn't reboot the series. So without TLoS, SL would have been the end of Spyro.
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#23 Posted: 15:09:14 31/08/2019
pokemon go killed spyro
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#24 Posted: 23:49:54 02/09/2019
I’d say there’s a difference in a poorly selling handheld for a functionally dead franchise (which Spyro was at the time) and an poorly ended reboot that sort of revived the franchise only to nearly kill it again. At least we all agree that LoS doesn’t need/will almost certainly never have a remake.
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#25 Posted: 10:22:12 03/09/2019
I think we ALL...
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#26 Posted: 02:56:18 04/09/2019
I literally can't see what that is. XD A blurry picture of someone pointing at someone else? What does it mean?
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#27 Posted: 12:49:13 04/09/2019
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I literally can't see what that is. smilie A blurry picture of someone pointing at someone else? What does it mean?


Nope you're seeing it exactly how it is. I looked it up and it's apparently an iCarly meme where they tell each other they sing everything, but... I don't get it.
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#28 Posted: 03:31:42 05/09/2019
Thank you Bifrost! Haha, sometimes the picture really IS as blurry as everything usually looks to me. :D Also I'm glad I'm not the only person who doesn't get it. I've seen about five minutes of an iCarly episode and all I know is that she may or may not be a popular YouTuber? *shrug*
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#29 Posted: 03:36:53 05/09/2019
I already said it but I'll say it again, visually it doesn't need an upgrade. It also doesn't have enough fans to give reason for a remake. So there's 0 point in making it. TFB might bring back like Cynder since they did in Skylanders but I think that's it, introducing her as a new character in a new game might be all we'd get.
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#30 Posted: 09:00:22 05/09/2019
Hahaha nooo it's a meme popular with Ariana Grande fans (she's the one with the red hair). It's an interview with the Victorious cast. Victoria is jealous of Ariana and has to put it down that they ALL sing.

The meme can be used whenever someone makes a flimsy statement in a firm way using the word "all". Razz you said we ALL agree TLoS shouldn't get a remaster when many fans want one smilie
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#31 Posted: 09:15:12 05/09/2019
I said “all” because look at this thread: the only one who wants a remake is OP. XD You Don’t even want one, unless you changed your mind between your first post and now. :D
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#32 Posted: 13:35:05 05/09/2019
I said I would like one, but in a few years time in my first post....
Lots of Spyro twitter has that opinion.
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#33 Posted: 03:35:20 06/09/2019
Spyro twitter is allowed to be wrong

EDIT: this post is a joke btw
tho for real I haven't seen any fans express the want for a remake of the legend trilogy tho I don't doubt they exist, they seem like a vocal minority
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#34 Posted: 13:52:38 06/09/2019
I'd honestly prefer a re-release of the games on modern consoles. If there aren't any already.

Spyro games, in my opinion tend to look pretty good in their original form. Like, the PS1 games paid a lot of attention to the effects of color and stuff, while TLOS brought a unique art style to the table. In my view, none of the games need a visual upgrade.
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#35 Posted: 03:28:00 13/09/2019
Quote: ThunderEgg
I'd honestly prefer a re-release of the games on modern consoles. If there aren't any already.

Spyro games, in my opinion tend to look pretty good in their original form. Like, the PS1 games paid a lot of attention to the effects of color and stuff, while TLOS brought a unique art style to the table. In my view, none of the games need a visual upgrade.


This is the most valid thing in this topic
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#36 Posted: 05:25:41 12/10/2019
I don't know how I ended up here but I'm just going to say yeah I think there's a real underlying problem with Spyro that helped "kill" him more. There hasn't been one game since Insomniac's trilogy that recaptured their vibe, seriously.

Spyro 1-3: magical vibes all over, entire aesthetic looks like these supple paintings, paired with cartoony designs making it really easy to digest and calm fun. Some snarky delivery and unfortunate dated references are thrown in. The aesthetic of these games in every respect is really approachable and pastel but the work behind that is pretty sophisticated and everything comes together for a layered feel. One developer can be paraphrased as saying they "didn't want to make a world that looks cartoony" (source) and it shows that they had much more in mind and wanted to say something more with this aesthetic. It has way more to it than just being colorful and cartoony, it's very layered, masterfully done and relevant to the characters and tropes here, infused with simpler stuff for some extra kick. Ages like fine wine.

ETD: I have a friend who won't like reading this again but there is no production value here. It's like they tried to do designs that looked like the original without the actual aesthetic or nuances and they had **** like creepy animations. I actually like how parts of this game look and I do think that select assets could fit with the original games but... it's Enter The Dragonfly. Spyro himself has also been reduced to a complete blank slate of a character as though they just want to make him a generic and lighter hero, his original snark is gone and he leaves no impression.

GBA handheld games: actually pretty good spritework and nice-looking, although Spyro himself still has absolutely no personality in these games and as nice as the graphics look they don't have any unique aesthetic and certainly not that the originals had. However, since they're GBA games, it's understandable. I'm not sure how they could have captured the original vibe in the visuals and they look very good on their own merit and are more their own thing. I'm not trying to make this out as bad art or some bad direction for Spyro, just pointing out, I think it's really not the original. You look at these and yeah, this isn't mainline Spyro, it's a Spyro spinoff. The stuff here works for Spyro and is nice but at the same time I can't imagine it in the original trilogy and whatnot. I guess it's a lot more cluttered, for one thing. And again, Spyro himself is a nobody here.

AHT: oh boy now here we reach real garbage. ETD may have killed the series to many people, but at least it was trying to be consistent with and respectful to the originals. Unlike AHT. Now to their credit, I actually think the environments in both this and SL have a nice aesthetic. They're way less identifiable and much more poorly laid out than the OT but they got the nice pastel colors and whimsical fun shapes and tangents. The problem is literally everything else; in AHT most of the characters have weird anatomy and empty designs that end up looking creepy or unfitting, and the entire game has really poor writing. They try to make self-aware jokes but there's no setup around it to make it likeable and the jokes themselves are really really bad and really badly delivered. Flat. Never any stingers, never any wit, never anything that's just funny for its timing or such, really low-demoninator stuff done really cheaply. Spyro himself does that too and sounds nasally and just becomes a very annoying character. Trying to be like a funny asshole, and he's not. THIS is a great example of how misunderstood Spyro is, they turned him into wacky humor cartoon before anything else, as if that's what he was about. No. I feel like they were trying to follow some trend at the time but, uh, I don't remember that phase? Gen 6 had the GTAs and look at Jak and... I guess they were trying to copy Ratchet & Clank? Maybe they were trying to copy radical 90's mascots attitude? It didn't work and this kind of focus on comedy has nothing to do with the core of Spyro, or even the nice aesthetic of the environments that made it into AHT. Like, that, and all the delivery sucks anyway, and the animations are weak, and everything, just booooring, with some really annoying **** thrown in, and a homogenised "trendy" take on Spyro. Even if it were done well it just wouldn't have been the original Spyro, it's trying more to be "hip", where the originals just had some comedy mixed in but prioritised those painterly worlds, it's like the opposite with AHT. Also, I've never played the Ratchet games but from what I know they built the whole world around the satire of consumerism and, yeah, again, AHT has no such effort to build anything around the writing it has, it's just really dumb. I don't think it was soulless but I do seriously question how much effort was put in it all-around honestly. I know this is a very unpopular opinion, not liking AHT, not relating it to the originals, I don't care.

Shadow Legacy: it's like AHT environment aesthetics which is great and they improved on character design, but then the rest of the game is... trying to be serious and dark? Which I prefer to AHT, but they don't actually do anything to earn that, so it's just super flat. Spyro is a non-character like the older handheld entries again.

Krome TLoS: yeah it's pretty obvious that this has nothing to do with the original Spyro but to its credit the first two games own that they're completely different and the first two games had their own fairly original vision when it came to the visuals and you can see even with pretty straight use of tropes they weren't just trying to chase some trend or doing crap as dumb as generic-ass annoying AHT. Nothing to do with Spyro again, but at least this time it's got a good and unique vision behind it again.

DoTD: I actually like this game but *sigh* nothing to say here. It's obvious.

Reignited: overly energised, painting vibe and pastel colors are gone, Spyro eternally wears a Dreamworks face and his delivery has no snark at all and has been smoothed into balls so he sounds like a nice happy hero constantly. Overall aesthetic looks cartoony, sure, but overwhelmingly cartoony and again, it's not Spyro, he's way too nice here... the look of Reignited can fit absolutely any cartoon platformer, unlike the original painting + cartoon look which not only was unique but told you about Spyro, living in lite-magic relaxing worlds. Reignited is just a cartoon and Spyro himself became a completely different character just through botched delivery and them trying to make every animation adorable and happy and good marketing poster boy.

Honestly, if you look at Crash, for all the missteps and yes, plenty that they missed, at least he was ALWAYS a cartoony character. Sometimes it was done in the wrong way or just poorly but he's been so much more consistent (and in my opinion never had drops as low as Spyro's lowest) which may be part of why Crash held onto more of his initial popularity. Just part of it. I'm also under the impression that Crash started out with more popularity anyways but by the time I was alive they had finished the original Crash trilogy.

I'm not really covering Skylanders because those aren't Spyro games but I certainly thought those came the closest to looking and feeling like the original Spyro and they're full of nods but still clearly original. But people hated Skylanders and I hate Reignited.

So all of this is to say that Spyro Checkers from Wendy's is the greatest Spyro game, and game in general, of all time.

Also no more remakes. Video game remakes are becoming comparable to Hollywood remakes at this point. No more. Please.
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#37 Posted: 17:47:16 12/10/2019
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I'd honestly prefer a re-release of the games on modern consoles. If there aren't any already.

Spyro games, in my opinion tend to look pretty good in their original form. Like, the PS1 games paid a lot of attention to the effects of color and stuff, while TLOS brought a unique art style to the table. In my view, none of the games need a visual upgrade.


Ehhh, I don't agree with that. The TLOS trilogy as a whole has a problem with bloom and some of the games look like they were rubbed with Vasoline.
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#38 Posted: 17:59:26 12/10/2019
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Ehhh, I don't agree with that. The TLOS trilogy as a whole has a problem with bloom and some of the games look like they were rubbed with Vasoline.


True, though I feel that you could most certainly argue that the first two games at least wouldn't need nearly as much of an overhaul graphically.
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#39 Posted: 20:17:22 12/10/2019
I didn't think of it as a whole considering Krome LOS basically has no major lighting outside of the CGI cutscenes. If it's bright out Spyro's slightly more orange and that's it outside of glowing sources. And considering someone managed to get a Reignited Krome Spyro working AND a level from Eternal Night, the first two games really have an easier time - but we know they'd get overly fancy and try to redo it all in EL style or adapt it to the style of Reignited too much.
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#40 Posted: 01:59:35 13/10/2019
Personally, to each their own. If it's purely art style we're talking here, everything is going to be subjective. I stand by what I said because it reflects my own artistic preferences.

However, from a marketing standpoint, re-doing the graphics of a game allows a company to sell it for more money. I think RT has made the Spyro brand much stronger -- or at least much more relevant -- so I think they already have a strong base to get people to pay a lot of money for games. Although I personally would like to see a re-release, I think if TLOS comes to us in any form, it'll have entirely new graphics because of this.

Ultimately, I feel like the chances of getting more TLOS content is far away, though. RT is a great jumping-off point to explore the classic playing style further. It would be a big financial risk for Acti to start pumping out Spyro in any alternate form.
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