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A lot in ANB and TEN, some referencing to the old series.

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Don't forget the dodge-rolling in DotD! StD reference right there.

more like a copy of the dodge mechanic used in God of War (well pretty much the whole controling system of DoTD is similar/if not almost same
as GoW...)
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oh look!
jumping in DoTD,that must also be a reference to Spyro 1 !!
maan why didn't I notice this before!!

I won't deny.... That made me laugh

But yeah. I don't think there were any true references or even easter eggs in DotD at all.

hehe the only thing they tried to do is sorta try to reintroduce a character from the old games so they would make people more hyped about the game .(oh omg they brought back hunter omg gotta check this out!)
and when you actually do ,Hunter's ...well not really that 'Hunter' you remember ,and then you just kinda die a lil' bit inside :/
he just has the same name and is a spotty kitteh.Everythin else is different....

Maybe Spyro's personality was the same in the TLOS series, but Elijah Wood didn't do a good enough job to send that message across to me, I just found his voice over for Spyro too relaxing and soft, this just bored me. I even prefer Spyro's whacky voice from Spyro the Dragon to Elijah, because it sounded like Elijah didn't put any effort into it at all to me.

Hang on, Wikipedia says it all!

Throughout the original series, Spyro is portrayed as energetic and curious, with little regard for his own safety. He is also described as a courageous hero, despite his small size. Spyro is also known for his cocky attitude. The Legend of Spyro trilogy features an alternate incarnation of Spyro. In the trilogy, he is described as a compasionate young dragon, always willing to help his friends and strangers with whatever problems they may have.

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Wikipedia is unreliable...

Wikipedia is...like...wow. sometimes you can't trust a thing said there.

For the record, Wikipedia is just as accurate, sometimes moreso, than the Encyclopedia Dramatica.

Frankly, I found LoS Spyro to be quite the pushover. He was friendly, kind, quite the kicked puppy, never questioned authority figures, went along with plans willingly, etc. The only time I saw him even show a hint of old Spyro's sass was when he once or twice teased Sparx, but he is a lot more considerate than old Spyro and a lot less hot tempered. He's also a lot more maudlin (old Spyro never worried about which boss he killed whereas Spyro had a complete emotional breakdown after he murdered Gaul).

I don't mind consideration and kindness in a hero; I encourage it, but I see what you mean, we need a tougher hero, and a good way to get that from Spyro is to give him old Spyro's spunk, attitude, free thinking ability, and focus on the big task at hand (sure have a little fun if it helps further his cause and help someone, but don't get all worked up after the baddie is defeated and DON'T forget all he did and all he has to do because of a girl!).
As a matter of fact, I think old Spyro's ablility to do what needs to be done in an enjoyable fasion reflects confidence. He's confident enough to be a little goofy and carefree and not worry about seeming like less of a threat in the eyes of his foes, or less of a hero to those who need him. Actually, I think that if we had seen some more reaction from the characters in the older games, they'd have felt more secure with Spyro on the job; seeing him all relaxed would make them feel like he had it all under control.

LoS Spyro's general lack of confidence really got on my nerves. He's a legendary hero who's already proven himself time and again, but he couldn't stop the personal pity party long enough to be interesting in DotD (it started in TEN and it was, at first, reasonable, but we never actually see him stop feeling sorry for himself in DotD; it was damned annoying). He had a lot more confidence and spunk in ANB and throughout much of TEN. It wasn't nearly to the level of iSpyro, but it was preferable to what he became.

There was only about 2 or 3 parts in DotD where he was sorry for himself. There were other moments where he was sad but not because he was giving himself pity.

Two or three is too many, and those two or three moments colored his personality for the entire game. Once I could have understood (then he could've gotten over it and moved on) but it kept happening and it was never actually dealt with.

Actually, they were quite brief. The first was when he blamed himself for Malefor being freed, and he got over that almost instantly. The second was when he was talking to Ignitus about him going bad, but this one is understandable as Spyro already lost control of himself in TEN.

Aaannnd.... you should probably never touch a Final Fantasy game. Ever.

Bah, I'm in too good a mood to debate. Getting Sonic Colours tomorrow and I just found out something awesome about the game and I have been waiting for it to happen for AAAGES in a 3D Sonic game!

Yeah, let's not do this. It's been established elsewhere that I think LoS Spyro, especially DotD version, is a complete wuss and a pathetic excuse for a hero.

The only Final Fantasy game I've ever given a second thought about was FF9, and I didn't finish it (because I haaaaate RPG gameplay ).

Are you even much of a gamer? You seem to only like platformers.

My dear, I've probably been gaming since before you were born. Platformers are one of my favorites, but I'm also fond of puzzle games (and puzzle games you play with a gun, i.e., Portal ). Between us, my husband and I own most of the game consoles that were ever made and have a collection of some of the most beloved games of all time (Ico, Okami, Shadow of the Colossus, Eternal Darkness, etc etc).

I don't like RPGs because grinding bores me and the fighting is like doing math while you're trying to have fun. I can't play MMOs (nor do I want to) and first person shooters aren't really to my taste (except for the aforementioned Portal). Most other kinds of games I've played are to my liking, I just don't talk about them much because I came here to talk about Spyro.

We're kind of going off topic, but that debate was interesting, I still prefer the older Spyro, he just seems more fun to me. xD

I'm pretty much the same. I have a lot of game consoles too, but I don't have Ataris or anything like that. Platformers are one of my favourites, but I also love action, adventure, RPG, puzzles, beat-em-ups, and fighting games(like Tekken or Super Smash Bros). I have only played one MMO called Roblox, a free to download game that let's you build games that look like they are in a LEGO universe. FPS is my least favourite genre, because it has become plagued with mediocre games this generation, especially on Xbox 360. Althogh I like some FPS games.

Well, that's only what traditional RPG games are like. If you want something more fast, fun or involving, you could try FF13 or the Kingdom Hearts games.

I have Shadow of the Colossus lying around, but I might wait until it gets remade before I play it. I'm playing Sonic Colours now anyway.

I wasn't trying to offend you, if you thought I was. I just wanted to see where you were coming from!

And Portal FTW!

I did play a bit of Kingdom Hearts, but it just didn't do it for me. I'm an average gamer at best and it was a bit too hard for me. When I got stuck, I just set it down and forgot about it (I think I actually started playing FF9 again ). I play games mostly for their story (or if it's a Mario game ), so FF9 is the only Final Fantasy game I was ever interested in.

You should play Shadow of the Colossus right now. o.o It's amazing! If you have Ico, play that, too (since the two are actually related and some of the stuff in SotC makes more sense if you've played the first game).

Okay, completly off topic now, what the hell?

If you call it offtopic, check out Moneybags topic in GtG

Yeah, but that one isn't meant to be as serious as this. Lol, that's the best excuse I can think of xD Urgh, whatever then.

Let's face it, mr Frodo... TLoS has almost no references to original Spyro. Especially DotD.

Well the only sort of things that are references to me, are the names, 'Avalar' and 'Hunter', at least the names are references, they have to be, those names come from Spyro 2: Gateway to Glimmer, and Hunter comes from the rest of the Spyro games in the original trilogy, not sure about 'Fusion' though.

I looked up the connection between Ico and SotC. It's nice how they done that. I wonder if The Last Guardian will have a connection to them.

If you have too much trouble with the original KH, you should try KH2. I played through it on proud mode without any trouble at all. I played through the original KH on standard mode and had trouble. Also, the combat is more varied and fast, and the story is deeper and a bit darker.

This is to bring things back on topic, and is a general question to everyone:
When watching the DotD ending, at the part where it shows some floating islands in the sunset, does anyone else think "Dream Weavers"? Heck, even the Floating Islands level makes me think of Dream Weavers. I'm not saying it's an intentional reference, but it's just a little thing I always think of.

The Floating Islands level reminds me of Tomb Raider II, and it has a level named Floating Islands.

In entire TLoS only Spyro (except DotD), Sparx (eating butterflies in TEN), Hunter and Avalar reminds me about old Spyro. If you change Spyro's name in TLoS and remove Sparx, you would hardly know that this is Spyro. If this game was called The Legend of Boris, and the dragon was yellow and callef Boris, no Spyro fan would ever notice the existance of this game.

I could say that pretty much to the whole of the TLOS series. (and I am suprized that noone is flaming me, wow, I must be lucky! I'm probably in the wrong area of the forum )

It's just ruined, Spyro is not meant to be an Action game, it is meant to be a Platformer like the old sytle games, and if noone likes that, then why don't they play another game? Maybe they should have thought about that before re-booting the series.

Now we will have ANOTHER trilogy, even more alternative First part: Spyro's Kingdom.

Yeah that will probably be a shambles. If this next game will be anything like the TLOS series then I am just going to give up on the series, and just stick with the PlayStation ones (and A Hero's Tail because that one is a little different)

Who are you to say what Spyro is meant to be? Only the developers decide what Spyro is "meant" to be. They are the ones working their butts off! We're just fans. We have next to no say in what happens to the Spyro franchise. Sure, developers may take an odd tidbit from a forum discussion and implement it into their game, and we can add to the sales count, but that's all we can do. Have you ever thought that developers might lose the motivation and not bother to try please the "fans" seeing as they complain all the time anyway?

ETD got negative reviews and reception. AHT got mediocre reviews and reception. SL got negative reviews and reception. See where I'm going with this? After the Insomniac trilogy, the Spyro franchise was going downhill. Then ANB came along, got some decent reviews, and people's interest in Spyro came back again. It also got a ton of new fans, who then go on to play the older games.

I am not being offensive, I'm just making a point. Whether you liked the reboot or not, it was beneficial in the long run. All the comparisons in sales between the original trilogy and TLoS mean nothing, as Playstation gamers had less games to choose from back in that era. No Spyro game will ever sell as well as the originals, even if it's better than the originals, or even if it's a remake. Games like Call of Duty, Guitar Hero, Halo and Mario grab all the sales these days. Personally, I thought AHT and LoS were brilliant, but Spyro will find it hard to establish strong sales like he did in the Playstation era, because during that era, he was one of gaming's biggest, AAA mascots. Then, in the ETD/AHT period, he was reduced to "just another animal with attitude". TLoS has made him somewhat of a B-lister, possibly an A-lister.

No matter what anyone says, Spyro is still going well, as he has plenty of fans.

I hardly call the application of a story which is ripping off LotR, applying an over simplistic one button combat system, uglying up the characters, linear level designs, and reducing a once cool character to a mushy wimp and a decent female to a *****y sex icon 'working thier butts off'.

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I hardly call the application of a story which is ripping off LotR, applying an over simplistic one button combat system, uglying up the characters, linear level designs, and reducing a once cool character to a mushy wimp and a decent female to a *****y sex icon 'working thier butts off'.

When did this start? I'm off the tpic for two days and the game is accused of ripping off LotR? I must hear some arguments for and against this.

Although the endings are both set in volcanoesm with three main stories...

Effort was put into these games. How many third party Wii games have changing facial expressions during gameplay? Not a lot. Yet TEN and DotD have it.

The combat system is very rewarding. More rewarding than the oh-so-great God of War. It's fast and fun.

I don't think they made the characters ugly, but different people have different style preferences.

What's wrong with linearity? The original Crash games were linear. Some Sonic games are linear. Super Mario Bros is linear. DotD actually had open levels, and the original Spyro trilogy had some linear levels. A perfect example is the Skelos Badlands.

There are many points where Spyro shows he's far from being a wimp. Just because he may show a hint of sadness or fear, doesn't make him a wimp. The original Spyro didn't show much variety in emotion because he was a very one-dimensional character.

The developers didn't make Cynder a sex icon. Rule 34 did. She's a female character in a popular videogame series who establishs a romantic relationship with the main hero. Whether she was attractive or not, she still would have tons of porn, as she is in a romantic relationship with Spyro.

And tell me this, are YOU a games desinger? Do YOU know what it's like and the things you have to give up to get your game on the market, let alone make it good? Have YOU had sleepless nights while developing a game? If you're not a games desinger, then you are in no position to disregard the effort put into these games, or any game. Some bad games have lots of effort put into them, they just get bogged down by something.

I wouldn't say original Spyro was one dimensional at all....

His personality was. Now, don't get me wrong, it's not really a bad thing, in his case. The Original Spyro games were not heavy on the story. They all had the same basic plot. A large amount of something gets kidnapped/captured and Spyro has to collect it all. But Spyro himself was mostly in a happy go-lucky mood. He never showed pure sadness, deep fear or raging anger. He was just always happy. Maybe calling him one dimensional is a strecth, but he isn't far from it.

He showed considerable anger when Bianca hurt Hunter. There were actually quite a few times he showed anger. After all, Spyro is just a kid, and that is how he's portrayed - He doesn't really care for danger, just like kids don't.

Then again, LoS Spyro is no better. He's always down in the dumps, showing happiness.... Erm, well, he only showed it a couple of times when he was with Sparx. DotD Spyro was even worse. Yeah, he shows anger and sorrow, but then that's what LoS is all about. I'd honestly rather see a happy character on my screen than one always depressed about everything....

He had a balance. He showed plenty of confidence, occasionally showed doubt, had a sense of humour, got angry, showed some fear and showed some recklessness. He has some traits of the old Spyro, if not all, it's just that LoS Spyro was in more dramatic situations, as opposed to the anti-climatic nature of the old games, therefore, we see a bit of anger, fear and sadness. In most occasions, Spyro had a completely valid reason to be angry or sad. DotD is the conclusion to the trilogy, so of course he's gonna act more serious there.

In regards to Original Spyro, he did show a little diversity, but they were not very story driven games anyway. Spyro 3, maybe, but not anywhere else. In fact, I would say Insomniac Spyro would react the same way to most of the situations presented to LoS Spyro. If I remember correctly, Spyro was very sad when Hunter got kidnapped(Spyro 3), and when Sparx got kidnapped(ETD). He was also kind of sad when Elora couldn't come to Dragon Shores(Spyro 2).

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I hardly call the application of a story which is ripping off LotR, applying an over simplistic one button combat system, uglying up the characters, linear level designs, and reducing a once cool character to a mushy wimp and a decent female to a *****y sex icon 'working thier butts off'.

When did this start? I'm off the tpic for two days and the game is accused of ripping off LotR? I must hear some arguments for and against this.

Although the endings are both set in volcanoesm with three main stories...

I found comparisons in some places; I'll find them later I've got onther things to do.

I seen comparisons too, but I wouldn't say rip-off. It could be a tribute. It happened with Sonic.

I wouldn't say any LOS game is any where near good enough to be considered a decent tribute to anything.

That's your opinion. By tribute, I meant that the similarities could be there as tributes.

An example from Sonic is the similarities between Silver and the DBZ character, Trunks. It has been confirmed that their similarities were intentional.

The only reason why TLOS is doing so well, is that probably most people like all that combat rubbish, and I'm one of those people who don't. And I actually don't ever here anyone playing TLOS in my area, nearly all the people who I talk to about it, don't even know what it is, and they are hard-core gamers, so that means TLOS couldn't have been doing that well.

I don't understand how some people can think that beating up enemies all the time in a video game can be more entertaining than the original Spyro games, they had much more imagination, and the challenges were awesome, it's all that you could ever want in a good, decent game.

To me, Mario, Sonic and all that, were good in it's time, it doesn't do anything for me now.

In Sonic's case, Sonic Colours will tell you otherwise!

I really doubt it. I've seen the trailer, and thought nothing much of it, as I normally do.

To me, Original Spyro was just different from all of that, and that's why I think they are great, yeah, the story wasn't all that great, but who cares, the gameplay was so much fun.

The trailer doesn't do it any justice, trust me! It's one of the best Sonic games yet, and has received very positive reviews. I have the Wii version, and beat the last boss. The music is also brilliant!

Nah, I can't be bothered with it. I know what they are like. I don't like fast speedy games like that, I'd rather have a game where you can take your time and work things out when it comes to it.

That's what Sonic Colours IS about! It's got a lot more platforming, and less speed sections. Some levels are huge, and new wisps open up new path ways in the levels.

Listen, Sonic just really doesn't do anything for me. I've probably played it once or twice in my whole lifetime and thought nothing of it.

There is a resemblance to the moons in Spike's Arena and the Celestial Moons in the LoS trilogy.

Wow, very interesting, it makes me wonder if it is a coincidence or it is meant to give us a bit of an Easter egg/reference or some sort of reminder to the Original Spyro games. So in my opinion, I guess it does go to show that the developers must have looked at the original games from time to time, maybe.

The celestial moons also look just like the Moons in Crop Circle Country in ETD, don't they?