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The BEST Way To Revive This Franchise
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#1 Posted: 17:53:02 28/04/2018 | Topic Creator
this game was a flop, straight up. and we haven't heard anything about a new game since then. but, i think i know the best way to revive skylanders...

copy fortnite - free to play, micro transactions

fortnite is the most popular game right now, and is free to play, with micro transactions that dont even give in game advantages. if skylanders had micro transactions that would allow you to buy characters in-game, this game would be revived. another thing is to lower the price of just about every figure you can get

ok so imagine this: skylanders 7, free to play
you can either download the game to your console or buy it in store, for a much cheaper price. why would anyone buy in in store? because it will come with a portal and 3 figures. you can have that option to buy the full game + portal for $10 total
so digital version + 3 digital characters = free
in store version + portal + 3 figures = 10

now you can also buy figures in store. let's say the price of a regular core character is $4. you can either buy that character in store for $4, or buy in ingame using the micro transactions. the in store figure would also come with a code, that you could type into the game in case you didn't buy the portal, you could still use it
this also eliminates the problem of not being able to find a certain figure, well now every character is always available in game

another thing i would like changed is the way characters are released. from when i used to play, they used to release the game alongside wave 1, then wave 2 VERY shortly after. wave 3 would be around december, wave 4 around april, and wave 5 spread out during spring/summer. i would never really care about waves 3, 4, or 5 just because when i had waves 1 + 2 i already completed the game, or at least what was available of the game. instead of waves, they could release maybe 15 characters on the day the game is released, then release anywhere from 2-4 characters every week
skylanders 7 should not be like the other ones. this game should have constant updates. fortnites getting updated every week. i know the way to success is not to copy, why play a fortnite copy when you can just play fortnite? but this is different. epic games is creating a new formula for how new games should work. constant updates keep players, thats a fact. so there shouldn't be a poster with all characters for that game, they should just release new characters and levels from surprise
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#2 Posted: 19:35:09 28/04/2018
The problem of having spent about 2000 bucks until this game and being told to spend more still stands.
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#3 Posted: 04:32:11 30/04/2018 | Topic Creator
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The problem of having spent about 2000 bucks until this game and being told to spend more still stands.


you’re acting like you have to buy everything. imagine if the next game only required one character from each element to 100%, using elemental gates. you wouldn’t have to buy anything else you can just use what you have.
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#4 Posted: 11:29:58 30/04/2018
The only game where you HAVE to buy new figures is Superchargers. The issue is locking too much extra content behind them and having little to no content unless you use figures, or with Imaginators, nerfing every non-new character far too much.
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#5 Posted: 12:03:22 30/04/2018
You never had to buy new figures for any game, SSC included. To access everything--everything that matters, at least--Trap Team and especially Imaginators were the worst offenders. For TT you had to buy ten Trap Masters and eleven Traps, and Imaginators needed you to buy ten Senseis or more along with ten Creation Crystals--and neither are including the adventure packs!

SSC has a remarkably low bar for completing the game, as you only 'need' to buy two additional Vehicles--which, as Zap so clearly noted, have not sold well, and thus are cheap and easy to find. Especially in comparison to STT and, to an extent, SI.

On-topic however, I don't think the free-to-play mechanic would work well due to consumer trust in Skylanders.
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#6 Posted: 12:36:01 30/04/2018
Oh yeah, forgot about Instant Hot Streak for Digital Owners. Still, tons of missions locked behind having both vehicle and figure. TT actually had a lot of ""free"" content, but from SG ownard we were still looking at less and less time to complete the story mode, give or take some challe ges.
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#7 Posted: 13:13:09 30/04/2018
They were more like mini-games than actual missions. SC is, after Giants, the less greedy in the whole franchise, and that's a fact.
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#8 Posted: 13:21:05 30/04/2018
So totally on board with a game only and NO further figure/portal/crystals/etc purchases. I've said this all along that they needed to build a larger, software only release that encompassed ALL of the current figures and plastic products to solve the entire game. That way people would buy up all of the remaining stock and they *could* re-release popular items although I'd just rely on Amazon/Ebay/Fakebook for acquiring any of them if need be. IMHO

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#9 Posted: 14:16:39 30/04/2018
you are finally getting a spyro game, and that was what everyone wanted instead of skylanders in 2011. but you all now want a revival of the skylanders game that was a exploitative wallet robber *shakehead* i will say this i am happy the skylanders games are gone and hope they never will return.
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#10 Posted: 15:24:51 30/04/2018
While yes you don't have to buy new figures, let alone all of them, as a person that likes variety and has little money, it still sucks that you can't just play as every character without buying figures.
In all honesty, I find Skylanders interesting, but the idea of knowing that I can't play as every character (Including variants) without buying literally every figure, is something that turns me away most of the time when a new game comes out.

I personally think that they should do away with figures entirely, or at least make them completely optional.
(Where maybe they'll be unlocked earlier if you use the figure, and perhaps get an early stat-boost, but can still be unlocked in-game through normal play - Though obviously not like how Star Wars Battlefront II handled that smilie)

Granted, the value of a large portion of the figures has drastically dropped due to lack of interest, Toys to Life dying, and retailers having so much bulk stock that they can't sell for MSRP, but it's still a lot of money to get everything.
And it obviously got worse once Trap Team came out, because ever since then you've needed additional peripherals. (Traps, Vehicles, and Creation Crystals)

My only problem is that, in all honesty, I think it may be too late for Activision to save Skylanders. Swap Force was when the series' sales reached its peak, but after that the games just kept selling less and less.
(To the point where, after Trap Team, the sales of each game were essentially half of what the previous game's were)

This, combined with the fact that, as mentioned before, Toys to Life as a mainstream genre is dying (Disney Infinity and Lego Dimensions have proven that, and Skylanders has essentially reached that point as well), makes Skylanders' future very grim.

There's numerous other factors as well, such as Toys "R" Us dying (Which in of itself is a devastating blow to Skylanders, and Toys to Life as a whole), and the Spyro franchise returning after a decade.
The latter is being developed by Toys For Bob nonetheless, who'll likely work on future Spyro games if Reignited is successful enough.
That, combined with Vicarious Visions likely working on future Crash Bandicoot games due to the success of N. Sane, means that both of Skylanders' main developers have "moved on".

Activision has also kind of hurt consumer trust, in addition to oversaturating the market and releasing a game with tons of figures every year, which has in turn also overwhelmed the average consumer and even massive Skylanders fans and collectors.

However, another problem is quite apparent; Activision themselves.
It's quite clear that Activision care mostly about money, and that is typical of a company since money is what keeps them afloat, but Activision is one of those companies that pretty much doesn't care about putting effort into something as long as they get it.

It seems pretty obvious that, at this point, combined with the above reasons as to why Skylanders seems to be on its last legs, that Activision doesn't really see much profit in it anymore, and would rather gather money from other sources.
(Such as Spyro)

They'd rather get money elsewhere than try to fix what was, despite their greediness, a good series. But, as I said, it honestly seems too late to fix it anyways.
Had they changed maybe around the time Swap Force came out, sure, but now the combination of the series dying and Activision seemingly not caring to salvage it, makes it seem obvious that Skylanders doesn't have much time left. :/

It's really unfortunate too, because Skylanders honestly has a ton of untapped potential in my eyes. ;;

Anyways, apologies for the rambling. lol
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#11 Posted: 15:37:52 30/04/2018
TBH, I think Skylanders has potential to come back, but very possibly with out the toy aspect.

And Sess is right, in fact we all know this, the fact that Skylanders has SO MUCH untapped potential. TBH I think it'd be best as an action platformer that is started to become. Imagine Skylanders with SMO-esqe levels. Oh baby that gets me goin'.
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#12 Posted: 15:49:50 30/04/2018
It has the potential to come back, yes. But, at least for the time being, it seems very unlikely. Activision will only do it if they see a great deal of profit to be made from it, and I honestly don't think they do.

While I'm extremely happy that Spyro's "coming back", it seems obvious that if the Reignited Trilogy does well (Which it more than likely will, if N. Sane and the recent social media buzz over Spyro is any indication), that Activision will go with Spyro instead.
(From here on out, at least)

It's unfortunate, really, as I would like nothing more than for Spyro and Skylanders to coexist alongside one another. But as long as Activision owns both IPs, that really isn't a very likely scenario, as sad as that is to admit. ;;
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#13 Posted: 16:27:38 30/04/2018
I think what Activision will do if they want to revive Skylanders is do a Tony Hawk/Guitar Hero thing where they let the series die for 3-5+ years, do a comeback game, and see how it does. I think Activision might separate Spyro from Skylanders (Spyro isn't a draw to Skylanders anymore, Giants and Swap Force made that abundantly clear, and on the flipside of that, Spyro didn't save Skylanders from declining from Trap Team to Imaginators), but I could see a Skylanders 7 releasing in 2020-2022, but man, the next few years will be barren for Skylanders fans.
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#14 Posted: 14:07:20 15/05/2018
I think they should limit it to ten new figures, with a very minor gimmick that makes them stand out while not being overbearing. Then they should make all the figures in the series (including the ten new ones) available digitally through an online store.
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#15 Posted: 16:51:00 19/05/2018
tbh if they do a guitar hero style reboot i feel its just gonna be as mediocre as the guitar hero reboot. they're both under acti- and they don't and won't reboot things to give them another shot or throw fans a bone, it's for money, like every big company. if spyro weren't profitable he a) never would have been used to market skylanders b) would still be dead. same for crash. it just took them ages to realise that their original trilogies- 3d platformers, which were pretty dead for a while, which is why crash and spyro had those action reboots- are what were most beloved amongst the majority. it's just lucky that the studios they handed those remakes to actually cared about the ips (and can make good games, in the case of tfb ayyyyyy)- but the thing is that they grew up with them. and if they reboot skylanders in five years or so i can't imagine people who grew up with it, while some may be old enough to have jobs then, could be in a position to work on the franchise. the other thing is that spyro and crash were so popular when they came out and their original trilogies remained so beloved that if they screwed it up more people would be pissed at acti, but by contrast skylanders has often been belittled since it started and remains overlooked amongst general gaming communities. a lot of people didn't even know there was a sixth game and said "they're still making these?" and many who never even tried a single entry are saying "good riddance" to skylanders. it could have a small fanbase who remembers it, maybe?, but i don't feel it was that beloved. just beloved enough to reboot and milk, not enough for people to demand such a thing/encourage more effort.
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#16 Posted: 21:33:43 20/05/2018
well the point of skylanders was the toys so digital part kinda ruin it

and original spyro is just a bunch of stealth mini games idk how well that one will age
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#17 Posted: 22:38:23 20/05/2018
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well the point of skylanders was the toys so digital part kinda ruin it

and original spyro is just a bunch of stealth mini games idk how well that one will age


Ok, sorry... What...?

I don’t want to derail this conversation, but either I misunderstood what you said or you have very faint memories of those games.
They couldn’t be more different than how you described them.
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#18 Posted: 23:44:58 20/05/2018 | Topic Creator
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you are finally getting a spyro game, and that was what everyone wanted instead of skylanders in 2011. but you all now want a revival of the skylanders game that was a exploitative wallet robber *shakehead* i will say this i am happy the skylanders games are gone and hope they never will return.


i’m finally getting a spyro game? no you’re finally getting a spyro game. i didn’t grow up with spyro and don’t care for it. i’m posting this on a skylanders sub-forum because it’s about skylanders


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well the point of skylanders was the toys so digital part kinda ruin it

and original spyro is just a bunch of stealth mini games idk how well that one will age


they already started to separate from toys to life with the switch version. and if they every do an online store with digitial characters im sure the figures would still be an option
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#19 Posted: 14:05:58 21/05/2018
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well the point of skylanders was the toys so digital part kinda ruin it

and original spyro is just a bunch of stealth mini games idk how well that one will age


I have no idea what Spyro game you played, if it was Spyro at all. You might be thinking of Ape Escape.

Also, it's Skylanders, not Toylanders. It's about floating islands and heroes, not the figures.
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#20 Posted: 15:26:26 21/05/2018
If they come back it won’t be TTL for sure and the figures will most likely be in game or they will do a complete reboot and ignore the banished to earth part.
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#21 Posted: 18:09:27 21/05/2018
Bear with me here, but I'd like to see them pull a Legend of Spyro in a few years to appeal to the original Skylanders audience who've grown up.

I'm not saying "darker", but something more serious, less linear and potentially toy free.

Or, you could reinvent the toy aspect. Bigger, well-made figures that are actually worth the money, and less of them at that. Perhaps you really could play the game with only one - a sort of avatar for your character, a mix of a classic 'corelander' with a dash of imaginator freedom.

That said, I can't see Skylanders ever coming back. I feel like it's left fans bitter, between overpricing and overall just missing its potential.
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#22 Posted: 20:29:53 21/05/2018
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Quote: EmperorKaos
well the point of skylanders was the toys so digital part kinda ruin it

and original spyro is just a bunch of stealth mini games idk how well that one will age


I have no idea what Spyro game you played, if it was Spyro at all. You might be thinking of Ape Escape.

Also, it's Skylanders, not Toylanders. It's about floating islands and heroes, not the figures.


Disagree. It's been crystal clear since the beginning that the bussiness was in the toys rather than the games, and that saling figures is what made the money. So, from an economical viewpoint, Skylanders hasn't any sense at all without the toys.

And just to make it clear, I'd love it not to be that way, but things are the way they are.
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#23 Posted: 20:32:57 21/05/2018
A more mature Skylanders game would be nice TBH three years from now the franchise is going to celebrate it’s 10 year anniversary they need to show growth...imaginators felt very childish and boring and I’m kind of getting bored of them introducing 40+ characters every year and then ignore them the following year. I want a game that focuses on lore and character development.
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#24 Posted: 21:01:44 21/05/2018
Quote: Halvmorke

Disagree. It's been crystal clear since the beginning that the bussiness was in the toys rather than the games, and that saling figures is what made the money. So, from an economical viewpoint, Skylanders hasn't any sense at all without the toys.

And just to make it clear, I'd love it not to be that way, but things are the way they are.


I know it's toys first in business terms, but I'm thinking of the IP itself. The toys can be removed with an excuse and it doesn't really stop being Skylanders; while removing the team and making it just one character, for example, would remove a lot of the identity.
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#25 Posted: 21:56:08 21/05/2018
They can make more money if they made the game actually good instead of mediocre and focus on 10 characters rather 300 because 300 characters are going to limit many things and will be more memorable for non skylanders fans.
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#26 Posted: 17:08:34 22/05/2018
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Quote: EmperorKaos
well the point of skylanders was the toys so digital part kinda ruin it

and original spyro is just a bunch of stealth mini games idk how well that one will age


Ok, sorry... What...?

I don’t want to derail this conversation, but either I misunderstood what you said or you have very faint memories of those games.
They couldn’t be more different than how you described them.



try run all the way till the end on a lvl and see how long it takes
lvls only get bigger if you play the minigames to get the orbs or eggs
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#27 Posted: 17:19:53 22/05/2018
They aren't all "stealth" mini-games, though. You clearly do not know what you're talking about whatsoever. :/
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#28 Posted: 18:00:29 22/05/2018
How is Skylanders any different...? In fact, Skylanders has a timer, speedrunning in Spyro became a thing much later.

And in the second paragraph you're just talking about Yooka-Laylee. Please at least watch some gameplay before you start assuming everything wrong.
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#29 Posted: 00:21:40 13/07/2018
I miss skylanders smilie Id love a new game that worked with our existing stuff. We dont need reposes, just make it 10 new figures one for each element or do 20..2 for each. If one had to then 10 new and 10 repose but ya.
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#30 Posted: 07:04:05 28/07/2018
Preferably not at all tbh
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#31 Posted: 13:34:08 30/07/2018
I'll say it again... they just need to produce a really good game w/o any dumb gimmick(s) that supports ALL of the past figures and combine them in different ways to solve the puzzles. They would probably end up having to re-issue many past figures if the game was good enough to get beyond us core 'Landers fans.
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