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Okay, let's Talk About FaithSDK's Fan Model
DS D Yellow Sparx Gems: 1372
#1 Posted: 23:44:26 16/05/2017 | Topic Creator
Okay, so before I start, message to the moderators: YES, I do realize that this may be more worthy to be in the Fan Art section, but I wanted to post it to general, just because FaithSDK's model is a good model as a starting point for a remaster (even though I don't trust one to come from Activision, but that's beside the point).

LOOK HOW FAITHFUL IT IS TO THE ORIGINAL SPYRO!!!!!

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I'll say this: maybe just slight tweaking of this guy, and remaster good to go(?). This is the Spyro we should've gotten a decade ago.
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#2 Posted: 23:59:29 16/05/2017
Faithful=/=good.
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#3 Posted: 01:11:23 17/05/2017
The wings are way too big. That's more sensible than the original wings but disruptive to the whole design.

Besides that, it's good, but something about it seems a little cheap... Maybe because it isn't stylised enough, particularly around the eyes. I mean the model is nice, but it's a little off-putting with the shading and texture.
Bryman04 Yellow Sparx Gems: 1943
#4 Posted: 01:11:58 17/05/2017
You son of a gun! It was my idea to create this topic! smilie I said so on the discord!

It's all good tho, I got carried away with something else and didn't do it soon enough.

Here is the full size model I shared earlier, as it's the final.

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More Comparison Images:

Spyro 1:

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Spyro 2: Riptos' Rage/ Gateway to Glimmer :

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Spyro 3 : Year of the Dragon
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And it all started with this:

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But I've shared my thoughts on the channel, and I'll re-go over them here, elaborate, and expand on my thoughts.



Watching this is pretty good. The animation is fluid and feels very smooth. But the eyes could be animated, to be expressive an less dead and cold. Wings are also a problem that many people share and I agree.

Some times the model feels spot on, like with the Spyro 2 example, other times it falls short. The hybrid model that is the first model I shared is something I feel like I could get used to and enjoy. It's slowly growing on me. The teeth looks a little bit scary tho. That and the horns feel a little off when compared to the original,
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#5 Posted: 01:21:53 17/05/2017
Remember when i said Spyro never had a good character design...
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Bryman04 Yellow Sparx Gems: 1943
#6 Posted: 01:25:08 17/05/2017
Quote: TheToyNerd
Remember when i said Spyro never had a good character design...


I remember......
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#7 Posted: 01:31:05 17/05/2017
Quote: Bryman04
Quote: TheToyNerd
Remember when i said Spyro never had a good character design...


I remember......



Sorry for the pessimistic attitude. I don't mean to hate on anyone that likes his character design, but it weird me out how chibi he looks. It's like if they took the design of a Nenodroid figure but forgot what the original character looked like.
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Sesshomaru75 Emerald Sparx Gems: 4766
#8 Posted: 01:37:52 17/05/2017
It's not really that chibi in game, though. And it's not really "chibi" in general, just cartooney.
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Bryman04 Yellow Sparx Gems: 1943
#9 Posted: 01:39:05 17/05/2017
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Remember when i said Spyro never had a good character design...


I remember......



Sorry for the pessimistic attitude. I don't mean to hate on anyone that likes his character design, but it weird me out how chibi he looks. It's like if they took the design of a Nenodroid figure but forgot what the original character looked like.


Oh, I don't mind at all. The chibi-ness is worse in the japenese cover art lol. But yeah, the design does lend itself some problems that I understand and would take time to work out the right way.
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#10 Posted: 01:44:09 17/05/2017
Quote: Sesshomaru75
It's not really that chibi in game, though. And it's not really "chibi" in general, just cartooney.


I disagree. The big eyes/head is very off-putting and reminds me of a Nenodroid Vinyl figurine. I don't know what I'd do to fix it, but it's one of those things that doesn't age well when made hi-poly.
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#11 Posted: 01:48:02 17/05/2017
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Quote: Sesshomaru75
It's not really that chibi in game, though. And it's not really "chibi" in general, just cartooney.


I disagree. The big eyes/head is very off-putting and reminds me of a Nenodroid Vinyl figurine. I don't know what I'd do to fix it, but it's one of those things that doesn't age well when made hi-poly.


i cant even begin to describe how much i disagree with this
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Sesshomaru75 Emerald Sparx Gems: 4766
#12 Posted: 01:48:19 17/05/2017
@TheToyNerd - Nah, I disagree with that completely.

It's not the same as a Nendoroid because the difference between something that is chibi and Spyro is that chibi things have a far smaller body with a big head.
Spyro's head, while big, isn't nearly as exaggerated and out of proportion when compared to the body as something like a Nendoroid.

In something like TLOS it is very off-puting, but that's because TLOS was meant to be a lot more serious than the older games. With the older games it fits perfectly fine because of the less serious and cartooney nature of the series.
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#13 Posted: 01:51:54 17/05/2017
I'll just shut up then about it. Carry on!
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#14 Posted: 04:04:05 17/05/2017 | Topic Creator
There are depictions of him that are actually pretty damn fierce or just straight-up from-the-hood like, though. Personally, I like it when he looks fierce, but I also like it when he has a majestic stature. There's only one depiction I've seen that actually nails down a majestic stature, even if the anatomy of the depiction isn't perfect...but that's okay, because it seems like it was purposefully so.

Still, though, while sliiiiiiggghtllyyyy derpy, it's probably the best fan model we've gotten of the dragon so far.
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#15 Posted: 09:26:24 17/05/2017
I have no idea where you're seeing any of that. You're describing something else entirely, because this is a goofy reptile with a bunch of dog features and really weird eyes and flat belly.
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Bryman04 Yellow Sparx Gems: 1943
#16 Posted: 10:56:56 17/05/2017
I will agree with DS D on this tho, its the best Spyro fan model we got at this point, I mean, where can you find a better model? Its not perfect by any means, and could use improvements, yeah.
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#17 Posted: 12:16:26 17/05/2017
Quote: Bryman04
I will agree with DS D on this tho, its the best Spyro fan model we got at this point, I mean, where can you find a better model? Its not perfect by any means, and could use improvements, yeah.


I still prefer some of the fan LOS ones(now don't ask me which, I never bother with usernames while looking at some). This feels like it's just a prettied up version of the old model with some extra stuff thrown in; I'd rather see something updated on its own even if keeping the Classic design. Something "majestic" to me would have nicer eyes, make the teeth less blocky, scales and paw pads that look seamless.
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#18 Posted: 16:11:51 17/05/2017
Pretty neat! This is the first fan model I've seen that I really like. He needs to blink in his animations though. Looks great in pictures, but that video really showed off how unnerving it is when he doesn't blink.
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Bryman04 Yellow Sparx Gems: 1943
#19 Posted: 00:34:25 18/05/2017
I think there are two important points to consider-

1.) Is this a good starting point for a possible remaster to take reference from and improve upon?
2.) Is this a better model than the Enter the Dragonfly model?
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#20 Posted: 07:52:22 19/05/2017 | Topic Creator
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2.) Is this a better model than the Enter the Dragonfly model?



BRAH!

No, wait... I didn't do it right.

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#21 Posted: 10:57:35 19/05/2017
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2.) Is this a better model than the Enter the Dragonfly model?



BRAH!

No, wait... I didn't do it right.

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Its true tho, isn't it? Is it better than the EtD model?
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Drawdler Yellow Sparx Gems: 1971
#22 Posted: 11:02:24 19/05/2017
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2.) Is this a better model than the Enter the Dragonfly model?



BRAH!

No, wait... I didn't do it right.

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oh my god i just realised you have bing on your toolbar
DS D Yellow Sparx Gems: 1372
#23 Posted: 03:58:53 20/05/2017 | Topic Creator
Quote: Bryman04
Its true tho, isn't it? Is it better than the EtD model?


Oh, DEFINITELY. That's why I exclaimed the word!

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very old IE bookmark import smilie

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halp.....I have a crush on the model
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#24 Posted: 15:25:01 17/06/2017
More Updates and Character Art!


Ember the Dragon
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Flame the Dragon
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Cynder the Dragon
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DS D Yellow Sparx Gems: 1372
#25 Posted: 19:48:06 17/06/2017 | Topic Creator
Lol, that last one. Because she put it in a "Caption this!" topic, I was like:


"HE'S MINE! HE LIKES ME!"

"You never had him to begin with!"
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#26 Posted: 01:57:42 18/06/2017
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faunatic Yellow Sparx Gems: 1631
#27 Posted: 05:50:33 18/06/2017
models are very cute very well done. not much respect for anyone still pitting ember and cynder against each other. better as friends.
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#28 Posted: 15:12:07 18/06/2017
These are extraordinary!
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#29 Posted: 12:32:09 19/06/2017
Holy cow, all of these are adorable.

I love how all of them look; classic!Cynder certainly has personality.
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Bryman04 Yellow Sparx Gems: 1943
#30 Posted: 16:41:07 28/06/2017


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DS D Yellow Sparx Gems: 1372
#31 Posted: 23:18:11 28/06/2017 | Topic Creator
aaaaand, you beat me to posting it. Well, now I can say Damn YOU, Bry smilie

He originally wanted to make a topic about FaithSDK doing the fan models and such
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#32 Posted: 01:58:47 05/07/2017
These models are really cute!
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#33 Posted: 14:23:04 07/07/2017
New Swimming Animations
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#34 Posted: 03:35:30 08/07/2017 | Topic Creator
Freaking love the lack of fish. (I want some so bad)
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#35 Posted: 06:08:25 11/07/2017 | Topic Creator
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(I like the damn models, okay?)
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#36 Posted: 06:19:28 12/07/2017

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#37 Posted: 09:54:37 12/07/2017
One person has arguably done better than a whole team of people. Very authentic but still looks modern. There will only get better and better, as will the texturing/skin.
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#38 Posted: 13:19:17 12/07/2017
It's nice, but I don't think I'd want that kind of a model on a PS4 or Xbone game. It seems... dated in its overall structure.
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Bryman04 Yellow Sparx Gems: 1943
#39 Posted: 02:54:07 13/07/2017
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It's nice, but I don't think I'd want that kind of a model on a PS4 or Xbone game. It seems... dated in its overall structure.


What makes you say that?
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#40 Posted: 07:20:45 14/07/2017

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#41 Posted: 18:10:43 13/08/2017


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#42 Posted: 03:31:22 17/08/2017 | Topic Creator
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goddammit though, Pinballdude
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#43 Posted: 21:31:20 27/08/2017
Quote: Drawdler
The wings are way too big. That's more sensible than the original wings but disruptive to the whole design.

Besides that, it's good, but something about it seems a little cheap... Maybe because it isn't stylised enough, particularly around the eyes. I mean the model is nice, but it's a little off-putting with the shading and texture.


I was thinking this too.
The wings are a bit too large and the face looks off in places.

But if you guys want a positive thing I thought... They got the colors pretty spot on.

They made Ember cute tho, so that's good, I always thought she was cute...

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not much respect for anyone still pitting ember and cynder against each other. better as friends.


I agree at this point I think Spyro would be better off gay and with Flame smilie , the Ember and Cynder wars need to stop
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#44 Posted: 01:05:45 20/03/2018
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#45 Posted: 20:27:15 24/03/2018
TBH I always like Flame's design more than AHT Spyro.
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#46 Posted: 05:08:53 27/03/2018
looking back on it after so long and after i forget it existed, this is actually a pretty good model other than the eyes

the eyes are so off-putting, i'm really not sure how well the old "eyes tucked under eyebrows" thing would work in a model made from more modern tech (they did it in the spyro 2 pose and it looks fine there, i can't imagine it would look that bad), but it was a whole lot more aesthetically pleasing than this model which has these huge eyelid-esque gaps around his eyes but that just disrupts the design and looks really awkward when eyebrows are high up and leaves a forehead-sized gap or the brows are down to a really exagerrated point but there's still a gap that's sort of like where eyelids would be and it's just inconsistent stylisation between the eyebrows and eyes and makes the expressions less clear (not that they aren't still, i mean that they really jump out at you more in the orginal renders)
i dunno it's not that bad on the spyro 3 render and other than wing and claw size spyro 2's is fairly spot-on (to its detriment on the frontmost arm with that crinkle heh) but 1's looks terrible and the other renders look sort of cheap. this can probably just be solved putting more work into squashing and stretching and expressing with the eye shape in each context, which these renders seem either lazy or too afraid to really exagerrate with
oh yeah the wing size is still a thing too.
re claw size: i think it works, i don't really have anything to say other than that. however it does weaken the gestures of his claws when they're that tiny and so much less visible by comparison. extremely noticeable in modernized spyro 1 render. i can say upping claw size would definitely make this model look better and i imagine it to be an easy fix as opposed to not having a definite answer for the eye issue.

i like how flame's model looks the best, maybe it's because he doesn't have a point of reference posted here- or perhaps it just works on that expression as it isn't one you would see much eyelid on- but i feel like he somehow gets away more with the gaps around eyes and the quirks of these models like the super long wings come together on him. he's not perfect but he stands out as the best of these bunch to me.

don't like cynder's model, i do like the horns and the simplified pattern on her head as well as the cute snout snout, overall her face is better and like flame can somehow get away with the brows more (though less so than flame); it feels like outside of that a couple of her features were just slapped onto the base body shape of the other models and the wings look terrible. she looks almost like a background character.
ember just doesn't look good other than the facial proportions (other than eyes, i can't pinpoint what, but i feel like while more stylized something about them works worse, perhaps because horns already demand so much attention the massive eye size draws too much to both, i dunno i think with small eyes it would look a lot worse so i have conflicting impressions): wings that large don't really suit her, the secondary pink/purple really doesn't mesh with palette, differently-colored "wingbones" don't work on her at least with that pink/purple, and i don't feel like the same sort of bumps around her underbelly as everyone work for her either... perhaps with the last issue though, it's the one render i'm looking at as the ember vs cynder and yotd pose ones have better work around their underbelly and i think the surrounding light bumps work much better in those ones, so props for that. unless i'm imagining things and it's actually the same but looks different just due to the angle or render stretching; number of spots and shapes make me think that actually was adjusted, however. also don't take my word about ember's coloring very seriously because that's just the impression i was struck with and i myself am poor at coloring, but i did feel it makes her wings sort of garish, especially when white already grabs attention and that is her wing membrane color...

also i can see where toynerd is coming from now, all the dragons have twig necks, i'd wager that's what makes him think they're larger in proportion to the body than they are.

probably incomplete thoughts and the one thing i'm most sure about is: make the claws larger. but i had nothing to do now and i was surprised to see this back up here when i logged in again. out
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#47 Posted: 18:37:20 30/03/2018
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#48 Posted: 15:56:01 23/04/2018
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#49 Posted: 16:00:57 23/04/2018
Faiths Reignited Spyro is better than the actual thing.
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#50 Posted: 16:07:06 23/04/2018
Even ignoring potentially inaccurate details this is just a really well done model. Makes me want to give Spyro a spin when I get better at 3D.
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