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I don't do this on purpose! :/ I wish I could learn from this but I literally cannot see when something bad is going to happen before it's too late!

In fairness, there do exist some people here that don't respond harshly to you when you make a mistake, and you should be using those incidents as learning experience for the future.

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This.
Also, mods please correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they stay on your account forever? If people were gnorced, over time you could tell who the problem is.


It's kinda ridiculous that we have to have the same goddamn conversation over and over about the exact same user when the drama isn't even completely their fault.
Windumup needs to learn right now, that's it. There's no conversation past that. We need to be more welcoming, not more ostracizing.

it would be all fine if windumup actually did learn and wanted to learn but that's not the case, she refuses to learn no matter what happens
yeah it's not only windumups fault but people aren't gonna stop responding to them so what do we do

I don't do this on purpose! :/ I wish I could learn from this but I literally cannot see when something bad is going to happen before it's too late!

Then take the advice we've all given you in multiple topics and use that as a jumping off point.

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Quote: arceustheprime

it would be all fine if windumup actually did learn and wanted to learn but that's not the case, she refuses to learn no matter what happens
yeah it's not only windumups fault but people aren't gonna stop responding to them so what do we do

We reign in both sides.

Coming in to criticize her and respond to posts in a civil manner is fine but once it gets down to trolling and name calling it immediately stops being their fault.

ehhhhh its difficult when shes basically got half of stuff and nonsense against her for previous actions, she really needs to improve and shed this stigma


Quote: Windumup

Quote: arceustheprime

Quote: StriderSwag

This.
Also, mods please correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they stay on your account forever? If people were gnorced, over time you could tell who the problem is.


It's kinda ridiculous that we have to have the same goddamn conversation over and over about the exact same user when the drama isn't even completely their fault.
Windumup needs to learn right now, that's it. There's no conversation past that. We need to be more welcoming, not more ostracizing.

it would be all fine if windumup actually did learn and wanted to learn but that's not the case, she refuses to learn no matter what happens
yeah it's not only windumups fault but people aren't gonna stop responding to them so what do we do

I don't do this on purpose! :/ I wish I could learn from this but I literally cannot see when something bad is going to happen before it's too late!

i'd reccomend that when you respond to a post you take a few moments to think it through, if you want, ask if its sarcastic or something
i think your signature may also be annoying some people, please try to acknowledge if you make a mistake and try not to act too passive aggresive about it, you can be angry over something like that but dont bring it to the forums

also why are the same people complaining about trolling in this topic constantly trolling pokemon 2 > : ((((((

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Quote: arceustheprime

it would be all fine if windumup actually did learn and wanted to learn but that's not the case, she refuses to learn no matter what happens
yeah it's not only windumups fault but people aren't gonna stop responding to them so what do we do

We reign in both sides.

Coming in to criticize her and respond to posts in a civil manner is fine but once it gets down to trolling and name calling it immediately stops being their fault.

ehhhhh its difficult when shes basically got half of stuff and nonsense against her for previous actions, she really needs to improve and shed this stigma

That's true, and hopefully they go the route to improve on that. That said we can also help by being less harsh and troll-like in our responses to such mistakes when they happen.

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also why are the same people complaining about trolling in this topic constantly trolling pokemon 2 > : ((((((

I think it's cuz with windumup she feels attacked, but pokemon2 can take the jokes and hasn't become annoyed about it, if he wanted us to stop im sure he'd let it be known but he seems p chill

^Pokemon2 seems to have taken the Falco/Mordecai thing seriously and could get bothered by it.

Also just because they're ignoring you calling their musical tastes trash doesn't mean it's ok to still say that so bluntly.

I dropped the falco/mordecai thing by morning,considering 12 hours later and he's still going on about it. Again, joking and calling out is one thing,going after him to insist the songs he's talking about are horrible and he should stop it every time is jerkish.

When I did the song thing I only made like one post, and it was in reference to a few others joking. Idgaf what music you like (unless it's bad...jkjkjk)

But yea, the falco thing has been overdone and im just tired of it, now it's going into...i dunno if i'd say bullying, but i guess it's sorta harassment at this point

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also why are the same people complaining about trolling in this topic constantly trolling pokemon 2 > : ((((((

As I said, I'm working on not being a total *****.

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it would be all fine if windumup actually did learn and wanted to learn but that's not the case, she refuses to learn no matter what happens
yeah it's not only windumups fault but people aren't gonna stop responding to them so what do we do

I don't do this on purpose! :/ I wish I could learn from this but I literally cannot see when something bad is going to happen before it's too late!

but you can think to yourself if it could cause trouble and if it should be said

Wind has Asperger(iirc), so it might not be that easy for them.

I know I'm kind of late on this part of the discussion but I really want to put my thoughts in so I'll just go off of this post:

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I'm still proposing mods stepping in. People don't get the message? Gnorc more. Ripto someone if necessary. Maybe when that "fun" is outlawed we understand that it wasn't funny at all. It's absolutely stupid someone has to babysit 19 year olds but it feels necessary if it reached such a point that people are leaving and being a-holes even over this very subject(because will you look at that Windumup's thread has someone telling her it's not a big deal).

I look forward to the follow up topic calling mods too harsh.

The biggest problem is that S&N was made to be more lenient than other sections of the site, so therefore not every single rule can translate as rigidly here as it would in Skylanders (except the obvious ones like no porn). So as a result there's no clearly defined line for something like trolling or harassment and it gets treated on a case by case basis (if there's even mods online to begin with).
We were able to define what is and isn't appropriate as far as sexual/violent content/discussion is concerned. Best I can try is to round up other mods and try a similar deal for trolling and harassment (even though it should be rather clear already).

While I agree there should be more mod regulation, this shouldn't be the only solution.

Guys, we can't just keep going directly to the mods all the time about how they should moderate OUR behavior. Yeah, S&N is trickier to moderate because it's more lenient, but we shouldn't entirely rely on the mods and the mods alone to keep the board under control. While the mods should have a handle on how to moderate the boards, everyone else should at least learn how to have SOME form of self-control over themselves. Obviously I don't know how the mods feel on a personal level, but you guys should really think about how much pressure issues like this one must have on them.

This isn't just something that the mods, Windumup, or any of the users who were part of any of the trolling should try to fix, this is a situation that pretty much requires the entire site to chime in(or at least the entire S&N portion of dS). Pinning the blame on one single thing is not going to help in a situation like this at all. If we do, then we're spending more time on finding something to blame the problem and solution on than we are actually enforcing said problem and solution.

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I don't do this on purpose! :/ I wish I could learn from this but I literally cannot see when something bad is going to happen before it's too late!

but you can think to yourself if it could cause trouble and if it should be said

Wind has Asperger(iirc), so it might not be that easy for them.

^This is true

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While I agree there should be more mod regulation, this shouldn't be the only solution.

Guys, we can't just keep going directly to the mods all the time about how they should moderate OUR behavior. Yeah, S&N is trickier to moderate because it's more lenient, but we shouldn't entirely rely on the mods and the mods alone to keep the board under control. While the mods should have a handle on how to moderate the boards, everyone else should at least learn how to have SOME form of self-control over themselves. Obviously I don't know how the mods feel on a personal level, but you guys should really think about how much pressure issues like this one must have on them.

This isn't just something that the mods, Windumup, or any of the users who were part of any of the trolling should try to fix, this is a situation that pretty much requires the entire site to chime in(or at least the entire S&N portion of dS). Pinning the blame on one single thing is not going to help in a situation like this at all. If we do, then we're spending more time on finding something to blame the problem and solution on than we are actually enforcing said problem and solution.

The problem is some people aren't willing to learn. Some are working on it and that's awesome, but others just say they will and are back at it right after or don't even bother with empty promises. Those aren't going to suddenly change if we say it needs to be a team effort,because they don't care in the end. So, for the ones who can't stay in line,someone's gotta keep them there.

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Quote: pankakesparx456

While I agree there should be more mod regulation, this shouldn't be the only solution.

Guys, we can't just keep going directly to the mods all the time about how they should moderate OUR behavior. Yeah, S&N is trickier to moderate because it's more lenient, but we shouldn't entirely rely on the mods and the mods alone to keep the board under control. While the mods should have a handle on how to moderate the boards, everyone else should at least learn how to have SOME form of self-control over themselves. Obviously I don't know how the mods feel on a personal level, but you guys should really think about how much pressure issues like this one must have on them.

This isn't just something that the mods, Windumup, or any of the users who were part of any of the trolling should try to fix, this is a situation that pretty much requires the entire site to chime in(or at least the entire S&N portion of dS). Pinning the blame on one single thing is not going to help in a situation like this at all. If we do, then we're spending more time on finding something to blame the problem and solution on than we are actually enforcing said problem and solution.

The problem is some people aren't willing to learn. Some are working on it and that's awesome, but others just say they will and are back at it right after or don't even bother with empty promises. Those aren't going to suddenly change if we say it needs to be a team effort,because they don't care in the end. So, for the ones who can't stay in line,someone's gotta keep them there.

Fair enough. And obviously some people aren't going to learn or have any form of self-control. But for those who are willing to learn and for those who have changed, I think the team effort at this point is pretty much necessary.

I think you people are just oversensitive

Quote: Ninpire

I think you people are just oversensitive

As harsh as this sounds, I'm agreeing with this.

If something like this were to happen to me, I'd simply turn my back and await patiently. I'd wait till the moment the one bullying/herassing realizes what they've done. On the end, ignoring can be more painfull than throwing useless words at each otther. I even do this to my boyfriend. I don't like doing it this way, but it makes your target realize what they're doing, and what they'll cause if they continue.

Because that has been working wonderfully whenever it spills onto Random Thoughts.

Ignoring the bully NEVER works once it started. They know you're peeking. The words aren't useless,they're going to hurt if there's the intention behind them to make sure the target isn't wanted. At the crappy school I was in long ago, I knew they weren't seriously calling me a lesbian demon heretic or whatever else(it was pretty obvious that's not my orientation even then), they just wanted to make sure I knew I was an aberration in their group and had to leave.

I suppose you have a point. It only works realy on one person because I only realy have one person around me.

Quote: Ninpire

I think you people are just oversensitive

While some people are, it doesn't necessarily mean everyone can pile onto them if they make a small mistake (or worse, they didn't make one but people just don't like them).

Wow. I just read up on what happened. I just think it's dumb that people have had to leave for something that was just meant to be a joke. I think it has to do with over sensitivity like people have been saying. Many things could have just not been said to avoid all of this. That's just my two cents and I'm sure people have said all those things in the thread anyway.

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Quote: Ninpire

I think you people are just oversensitive

While some people are, it doesn't necessarily mean everyone can pile onto them if they make a small mistake (or worse, they didn't make one but people just don't like them).

i mean the people constantly reacting to windumup are oversensitive

cause whenever this happens its because somebody gets butthurt over another person's ignorance/views