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Got in a quick conversation with a lady at work today and she said she thinks that shows like Batman and TMNT have gotten too violent for kids. That made me think, should kids shows be allowed to show more appropriate levels or violence and along with that, explore sexuality?

Violence in cartoons is an inevitability. Without conflict, there's no story. I certainly have no qualms about Raphael stabbing a Foot Soldier bot or Batman punching the Joker because people will know it's a show. Kids aren't stupid. They can handle a bit of violence thrown their way.

In terms of sexuality... only if you do it as subtly as Steven Universe. I don't think Sex should be introduced to kids that blatantly early on

Just limit it and know how to limit it. Other than that, go for it.

Kid's are too stupid to even watch a cartoon, so I don't know, as long as it's properly made, I guess why not.

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Violence in cartoons is an inevitability. Without conflict, there's no story. I certainly have no qualms about Raphael stabbing a Foot Soldier bot or Batman punching the Joker because people will know it's a show. Kids aren't stupid. They can handle a bit of violence thrown their way.

In terms of sexuality... only if you do it as subtly as Steven Universe. I don't think Sex should be introduced to kids that blatantly early on

Pretty much my thoughts. I think the act of sex shouldnt be put in, but sexuality (sexual orientation, gender and the like) should be allowed to be introduced in old kids cartoons like Clarence and SU. Introducing it in such a manor allows kids to understand stuff like that.

**** no

Yes to violence because shows are shows and kids are hopefully able to separate fiction from reality.

Though on sexuality I wouldn't entirely say yes. Like kids growing up learn about puberty and some sexual education around 5th/6th grade. I don't think it's their call, but they should kind of just normalize same sex couples being a thing instead of using really ugly stereotypes.

Violence: Within reason. No gore and only a little to mild amount of blood. Like a few scrapes and scratches but nothing serious looking. Nothing worse than the average superhero cartoon had in the early 2000's from what I remember.

Sexuality: I'm going to go with more of a no. Definitely not anything that makes sexual jokes or references to sex unless it's something really subtle only parents would get. As with actual sexuality, depends how it's handled like with any show. LGBT characters shouldn't exist as stereotypes to force a pro-LGBT message and more just be normalized. Steven Universe manages to do this in a good way where sexuality isn't discussed exactly and it doesn't end up in your face trying to shove a message down your throat or overtaking the plot, while just being there as a thing like a straight couple.

The Loud House does good with LGBT stuff too. The parents don't feel forced, they feel normal.

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The Loud House does good with LGBT stuff too. The parents don't feel forced, they feel normal.

Oh, I thought he meant like Sexual content

Oh, I was kinda just refering to what Seiki said.

violence can only go so far. like tv shows nowadays have a good balance of violence where it doesnt become as bloody as the comic books where its common to have organs pooping out of people's bodies but still has a good ol punch to the body.


sexuality is weird to me though. like i dont really care if its a references to having same sex couples but forcing down the crowd to witness a same sex couple is the equivalent of forking down a forced relationship in most tv shows. well that and i dont believe that kids should be forced to learn about sexuality in their free time.

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The Loud House does good with LGBT stuff too. The parents don't feel forced, they feel normal.

I heard about that, but haven't seen enough of it to feel comfortable listing it with my above statement. The general idea was that there are no episodes talking about LGBT issues, nothing that brings directly attention to the fact that a couple is same-sex or discuss that they are. They are a couple like any other and nobody mentions or cares otherwise.

If Loud House has no episodes, plot points, or really any conversations that directly bring attention to the one kid having 2 Dads as opposed to a Dad & a Mom, then it fits my earlier post.

Violence is ok with me to an extent. Anything too gory or senseless is too far.

I don't think sex jokes are appropriate for children, but sexuality is fine. We're introduced to straight relationships very early on (fairy tales about princes and princesses, tv shows, etc) and it should be the same with same-sex relationships. There isn't anything inherently nsfw about gay couples.

For violence: Depends of the kind of show. If it's kids cartoon focused on comedy, it should be over the top and for laughs. For something like TMNT, it should be more real, but not gory or bloody, same goes for Super Hero shows. Maybe make the latter a bit more fast paced and "Pokemon-y" in the sense that it's very actiony with jumps, kicks, flips and such. For blood, nothing gushing. More so a bloody nose or something that wouldn't freak kids.


For sexuality: No sex, obviously, outside of innuendos and adult jokes. If a character is gay, maybe make it the focus on ONE episode, but as long as it doesn't feel forced. LGBT relationships are fine as well. Gender can be ok as well as long as it's not tumblry.

Everything in moderation right? Like, you it's fine to show batman punching a goon or whatever, but it's kinda inappropriate for kids tv to show something like actual wounds, or even stuff like broken bones. As for sexuality, ehhh, I'm not really in a huge position to think yay or nay on it, but I think the general idea is to never beat the viewer over the heads with it. Keep it subtle and everything should be fine.

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A bit of violence, so long as it isn't blood and gore, is perfectly fine, imo.

Stuff like sex shouldn't be explored, however, beyond some jokes here and there that only adults would probably understand.

This pretty much.

Yes, Drawdler and Sess nailed it for me. LGBT romance is fine by me, even encouraged.

Violence needs to exist in action cartoons, especially Superhero shows and it's easy to do it without being excessive. Just don't show blood, gore, agony, or death. All human enemies are knocked out, replace them with robots where you can and use monsters to indulge in more extreme stuff. Show characters in pain/need of medical attention through sound and reactions of other characters. For example if an innocent has been shot, show the individual covering the wound, maybe a little blood, but convey it mostly with the injured moaning in pain and the others saying what's wrong and showing concern.

As for sexuality, there's nothing at all wrong with clean romance. Kids may ask questions if they see two same sex characters kissing, but no harm could come of it. There are tons of life lessons that are applicable to all social situations, especially intimacy which could be taught using stand in concepts like consent and personal boundaries. For example lets say an alien character learns that he can combine energy with his human companion by hugging, and it begin to press its friend for more. They oblige but the experience leaves them drained and unable to give. The alien presses them and the human becomes angry and pushes them away. The alien tries this with others but only harms them and makes them angry. It feels bad about this and with its human it learns that in forcing energy sharing it was only taking and not giving and that both parties must be willing in order for it to work.

we need to start putting hardcore porn in kids shows

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we need to start putting hardcore porn in kids shows

I agree.

show them EVERYTHING

Absolutely. Sexual content doesn't have to be innuendos or parental bonuses. Kids will need to learn how romantic, spiritual, emotional and physical relationships work. LGBT content can be about helping kids understand that's it okay to like someone with the same gender as them. Contrary to what parents think, LGBT doesn't automatically mean explicit pornography or moral degeneracy.

Violence on the other hand isn't the only thing needed to create a dilemma with things like rescuing people from danger or helping someone who's clearly in emotional distress, which brings us full circle back to sexual orientations.

How do it happened? When and how did shaming a kid's body (weight, function, sexuality) became a standard for parents?

On a side-note, I've been thinking a lot about Power Rangers lately, specifically interpretations of the some of the characters' sexual orientations of Jayden and Antonio from Samurai and Gia and Emma from Megaforce. These ideas are a lot more interesting and relevant to talk about than what the Neo-Saban Power Rangers shows are doing.

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On a side-note, I've been a lot about Power Rangers lately, specifically interpretations of the some of the characters' sexual orientations of Jayden and Antonio from Samurai and Gia and Emma from Megaforce. These ideas are a lot more interesting and relevant to talk about than what the Neo-Saban Power Rangers shows are doing.

can you elaborate please

I think that censors manage to keep things at a decent level.

If it's a really young children's show, then no.

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On a side-note, I've been thinking a lot about Power Rangers lately, specifically interpretations of the some of the characters' sexual orientations of Jayden and Antonio from Samurai and Gia and Emma from Megaforce. These ideas are a lot more interesting and relevant to talk about than what the Neo-Saban Power Rangers shows are doing.

can you elaborate please

In Samurai, when Jayden sees his childhood friend Antonio comes back, Antonio says "Believe it, baby. I've come back... and I'm ready for some action." followed by rock music as Antonio approaches Jayden with karate moves. When Jayden blocks him, Antonio says "You think you can still take me?" The scene looks like a visual double entendre.

As for Megaforce, anytime Gia and Emma interact with each other, they act a little more than best friends with Gia knowing what Emma wants, Gia wanting Emma not show photos of her and Emma with a rare plant. Even when a monster made them turn against each other, the two bicker like a married couple. Gia's actress acknowledges it with the ship name Gemma or Giemma.

Samurai and Megaforce writer James W. Bates said the scenes weren't intentionally made to be gay, but admits fans made it all look far better than what he was allowed to do, because Jonathan Tzachor wanted to cram as much actions scenes as possible with little character development.

I'll even link the interview http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv...i-and-megaforce because it shows the series could be more open-minded and needs to keep with most kid shows these days being complex and having themes kid shows didn't have 20 years ago. Hell, even the new Power Rangers had a gay yellow ranger. Either Saban is becoming more acceptable towards LGBT-people or because gay money is better than no money.

Korra has a canon bisexual female who likes another woman and that didn't cause problems so yes

Depends on practical example...

If example is abstract, indirect and heavy on innuendos, then yes.

If it is direct in-to-their-faces kind of thing, then it is no...

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Korra has a canon bisexual female who likes another woman and that didn't cause problems so yes

Kinda redundant, but true.

Yes, I'm so tired of restrictions.