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#1851 Posted: 23:28:31 31/08/2015
When do you guys believe more DLC will be announced?
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#1852 Posted: 23:46:47 31/08/2015
The earliest I see it being would be around mid September-Ballot ending
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#1853 Posted: 23:48:12 31/08/2015
I WANT WOLF PLS
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#1854 Posted: 00:15:58 01/09/2015
Quote: I-Brawler
The earliest I see it being would be around mid September-Ballot ending



This.
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#1855 Posted: 00:43:33 01/09/2015
Quote: Mesuxelf
I WANT WOLF PLS



I DO TOO BECAUSE OF THE BET
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#1856 Posted: 00:56:25 01/09/2015
Quote: Mesuxelf
I WANT WOLF PLS


I do too. I think he's pretty likely as well.
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#1857 Posted: 14:21:17 01/09/2015
I'm sure a DLC character will be released near the end of the ballot. It would really suck if after this huge news drought they say "Thanks for giving your input! We're counting the votes now and choosing who will be the next fighter! Look forward to a DLC fighter coming Spring 2016!" The last known DLC characters released in June and Stages in July, Sakurai's said that he can't keep the team together forever, so there's no way they've just been twiddling their thumbs for 4 months.

I'm expecting Wolf or K. Rool to be announced first.
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#1858 Posted: 17:02:05 01/09/2015
Quote: LunarDistortion
I'm sure a DLC character will be released near the end of the ballot. It would really suck if after this huge news drought they say "Thanks for giving your input! We're counting the votes now and choosing who will be the next fighter! Look forward to a DLC fighter coming Spring 2016!" The last known DLC characters released in June and Stages in July, Sakurai's said that he can't keep the team together forever, so there's no way they've just been twiddling their thumbs for 4 months.

I'm expecting Wolf or K. Rool to be announced first.


Please understand.
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#1859 Posted: 20:28:41 01/09/2015
Well, they probably won't make a decision from the ballot before it has finished in October, and we know that characters take several months to make. Spring 2016 sounds very likely for a fighter from the ballot. I think we'll get at least one more character before that, though - I also don't imagine they've just been resting since completing Roy, Ryu and Lucas.
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#1860 Posted: 21:26:49 01/09/2015
Monthly unofficial tier list! Thoughts?
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I feel Wario shouldn't be higher than ROB, and Olimar should be nowhere near where he is right now. As much as I love DK, he's not B tier material. Same goes with Ike. He's got potential, but he's not as good as Mii Brawler. Toon Link is definitely not better than Link, and Mewtwo should be with the C tier characters IMO.

Thoughts from the reddit thread that I also agreed on.

  • Greninja (a character we can universally agree is pretty flawed) above mii brawler, toon link
  • lucas below the pits
  • bowser below mac is pretty bull**** (source: mac main)
  • mii brawler below donkey kong (really, what the hell)
  • zelda, samus, m2, pal, mii gunner and mii swordfighter below ganondorf, a character who quite literally has nothing going for him: no representation and no actual good stats such as a good neutral or combos like the characters below him.
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    #1861 Posted: 21:32:21 01/09/2015
    I would say stuff about Bowser Jr. but I'll be hated for it anyway so why bother

    he's totally not bad tho
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    #1862 Posted: 21:41:19 01/09/2015
    Quote: Mesuxelf
    Monthly unofficial tier list! Thoughts?
    [User Posted Image]

    I feel Wario shouldn't be higher than ROB, and Olimar should be nowhere near where he is right now. As much as I love DK, he's not B tier material. Same goes with Ike. He's got potential, but he's not as good as Mii Brawler. Toon Link is definitely not better than Link, and Mewtwo should be with the C tier characters IMO.

    Thoughts from the reddit thread that I also agreed on.

  • Greninja (a character we can universally agree is pretty flawed) above mii brawler, toon link
  • lucas below the pits
  • bowser below mac is pretty bull**** (source: mac main)
  • mii brawler below donkey kong (really, what the hell)
  • zelda, samus, m2, pal, mii gunner and mii swordfighter below ganondorf, a character who quite literally has nothing going for him: no representation and no actual good stats such as a good neutral or combos like the characters below him.



  • It's pretty good, but I have disagreements.

  • I feel like Lucario should be higher than Peach and Olimar

  • Wario Should switch with Pit and Pitto switches with Rob.

  • Greninja should be between Peach and Pac-Man

  • Switch Marth and Robin

  • Switch Ryu and Meta Knight
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    #1863 Posted: 21:43:23 01/09/2015
    That one is all over the place.

    Rosalina should be in S tier, nothing has changed for her so her tier position shouldn't either. Her and Sheik are still the best charracters without a doubt. I know Dabuz hasn't been doing as well with Rosalina lately and doesn't use her as much, but that shouldn't drop her a tier when she still has tons of potential and hasn't been touched by patches in any significant way. Her standing shouldn't rely on him and his limited playstyle, which it seems to.

    Sonic and Yoshi should not be below either Mario or Diddy or Fox.

    Meta Knight could be bumped up a tier.

    Roy should be in A- at least. Definitely not below Ryu, the latter has more obvious flaws.

    WFT, Link, and Toon Link should at least be B tier.

    Just a few off the top of my head, not going into detail right now since I'm on my phone.
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    #1864 Posted: 21:46:56 01/09/2015
    Shulk seems off. :/
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    #1865 Posted: 21:55:12 01/09/2015
    Quote: sonicbrawler182
    That one is all over the place.

    Rosalina should be in S tier, nothing has changed for her so her tier position shouldn't either. Her and Sheik are still the best charracters without a doubt. I know Dabuz hasn't been doing as well with Rosalina lately and doesn't use her as much, but that shouldn't drop her a tier when she still has tons of potential and hasn't been touched by patches in any significant way. Her standing shouldn't rely on him and his limited playstyle, which it seems to.

    Sonic and Yoshi should not be below either Mario or Diddy or Fox.

    Meta Knight could be bumped up a tier.

    Roy should be in A- at least. Definitely not below Ryu, the latter has more obvious flaws.

    WFT, Link, and Toon Link should at least be B tier.

    Just a few off the top of my head, not going into detail right now since I'm on my phone.



    I thought WFT and Yoshi were a bit too high up. Care to explain why you think they should be higher than they already are?

    And lots of characters have unused potential. Bowser, Little Mac, Marth, DK, but they're not S tier. What makes potential give you a high rating?


    Quote: somePerson
    Shulk seems off. :/



    Shulk thoughts.
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    #1866 Posted: 22:04:20 01/09/2015
    My biggest complaint with the tier list is that there is no justifiable reason that Sheik should be the highest tiered character in the game. It just feels like more "Lol, she's fast and combos, therefor she's high tier." So basically being fast and being able to pull off weak combos is more important than being able to actually KILL the opponent? In order to actually win, she has to rely on her smash attacks, which are also not that strong and besides her F-smash are VERY close-range. Not to mention her Up Special's only good for recovery, her side special is way too slow and her down special requires specific timing to pull off. She's also quite light and easy to launch. I'm sorry, but I do not see how she is in any way, shape or form S tier just because she's fast.

    Also, was there anything really added to the update besides character "balancing?"
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    #1867 Posted: 22:25:11 01/09/2015
    Quote: MugoUrth
    My biggest complaint with the tier list is that there is no justifiable reason that Sheik should be the highest tiered character in the game. It just feels like more "Lol, she's fast and combos, therefor she's high tier." So basically being fast and being able to pull off weak combos is more important than being able to actually KILL the opponent? In order to actually win, she has to rely on her smash attacks, which are also not that strong and besides her F-smash are VERY close-range. Not to mention her Up Special's only good for recovery, her side special is way too slow and her down special requires specific timing to pull off. She's also quite light and easy to launch. I'm sorry, but I do not see how she is in any way, shape or form S tier just because she's fast.

    Also, was there anything really added to the update besides character "balancing?"


    *cough*forwardair*cough*

    Forward air strings/"combos" on some bigger characters
    Guarenteed down throw followups
    Side Special is near useless don't use it
    Down Special is best used for edgeguarding and it works relatively well
    Up Special explosion kills under 150 I believe

    On a more competitive level, however, bait and punish are two very important things

    For bait, she has freaking almost no lag on any moves and all of those moves are very fast (excluding smash attacks and down air from the line up) allowing her to lead right into important thing number 2, punishing.
    Baiting allows for your opponent to attempt to punish you for doing the bait while you have the ability to punish them for trying to punish you.....in a sense.

    Go watch ZeRo or someone play Sheik, FG or other places don't cut it sometimes.
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    #1868 Posted: 22:58:37 01/09/2015
    Sheik is always good. D: But who would anybody use her smash attacks to kill? If you rely on smash attacks to get a majority of your kills then you are a casual.
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    #1869 Posted: 23:02:45 01/09/2015
    Quote: somePerson
    Sheik is always good. D: But who would anybody use her smash attacks to kill? If you rely on smash attacks to get a majority of your kills then you are a casual.



    She literally has nothing else, though. I find it odd that people can complain about minor things like "Oh, that character's too big" or "that character's slow" or "that character can do over 20% of damage with a single attack but can't combo" yet a MAJOR thing like a character having no means of actually winning is what people forgive.
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    #1870 Posted: 23:07:05 01/09/2015
    watch high level sheik play plz
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    #1871 Posted: 23:09:28 01/09/2015
    Quote: I-Brawler
    watch high level sheik play plz


    Believe me, I've seen a LOT of of them, but they're always against scrubs who don't play well. I've seen quite a few replays with Sheik players where they get their butts kicked by so-called "Low tier" characters.
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    #1872 Posted: 23:19:10 01/09/2015
    Quote: MugoUrth
    Quote: I-Brawler
    watch high level sheik play plz


    Believe me, I've seen a LOT of of them, but they're always against scrubs who don't play well. I've seen quite a few replays with Sheik players where they get their butts kicked by so-called "Low tier" characters.



    For Glory =/= Competitive

    Just because you see some video of a guy playing For Glory does not mean that the character is played like a 12 year old.
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    #1873 Posted: 23:19:56 01/09/2015
    Quote: MugoUrth
    Quote: I-Brawler
    watch high level sheik play plz


    Believe me, I've seen a LOT of of them, but they're always against scrubs who don't play well. I've seen quite a few replays with Sheik players where they get their butts kicked by so-called "Low tier" characters.




    watch high level sheik play plz
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    #1874 Posted: 23:32:04 01/09/2015
    Mewtwo in bottom tier? He is most certainly not that bad.
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    #1875 Posted: 23:34:58 01/09/2015
    Quote: Mrmorrises
    Mewtwo in bottom tier? He is most certainly not that bad.



    He kinda is around there, and I say this as someone who mains him. He has the same problem Meta Knight had early on, and then a whole lot more:

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    #1876 Posted: 23:53:10 01/09/2015
    Link and Rosalina should be top tier imo
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    #1877 Posted: 00:07:46 02/09/2015
    Of course, Mewtwo is low tier. Yeah, he is not as good as the other DLC characters, but I don't think he is that low. His Up Smash can kill really early.
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    #1878 Posted: 00:08:10 02/09/2015
    Thank you for your thought out post SB ^.^

    Quote: MugoUrth
    Quote: somePerson
    Sheik is always good. D: But who would anybody use her smash attacks to kill? If you rely on smash attacks to get a majority of your kills then you are a casual.



    She literally has nothing else, though. I find it odd that people can complain about minor things like "Oh, that character's too big" or "that character's slow" or "that character can do over 20% of damage with a single attack but can't combo" yet a MAJOR thing like a character having no means of actually winning is what people forgive.



    Literally? She literally has up air, down air, forward air, back air, up tilt, down tilt, forward tilt, side b, up b, down b. There's "literally" something else.
    Don't use literally if you don't know how to use it. It makes you sound like an uneducated 12 year old white girl.
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    #1879 Posted: 00:20:04 02/09/2015
    Quote: MugoUrth
    Quote: somePerson
    Sheik is always good. D: But who would anybody use her smash attacks to kill? If you rely on smash attacks to get a majority of your kills then you are a casual.



    She literally has nothing else, though. I find it odd that people can complain about minor things like "Oh, that character's too big" or "that character's slow" or "that character can do over 20% of damage with a single attack but can't combo" yet a MAJOR thing like a character having no means of actually winning is what people forgive.



    If a character is too big or slow then they will get punished easily leading to their deaths. Hitting a single attack that does 20% shouldn't be you main source of damage. Plus those moves are hard to hit and can be punished easily.(Warlock punch, rest, etc) They should primarily be used for taking stocks instead. Combos can do more than 20% if you play your cards right and won't take as much work to connect it. It's not like Sheik is in the finals in the majority of every major ssb4 tourney. >.> You are the true definition of a casual Brawl player.
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    #1880 Posted: 00:27:13 02/09/2015
    Quote: [url=http://forum.darkspyro.net/spyro/viewposts.php?topic=116871&post=5733895
    His Up Smash can kill really early.



    .....So do a lot of other ones.

    It's also a very slow move, and the only characters he can hit with it when they are in a standing position are Bowser and Ganondorf IIRC (or a fellow Mewtwo). With all other characters, they have to already be elevated above a him a little. MAYBE Rosalina too, if you are like, RIGHT inside of her, but you are not going to really have that happen especially with Luma being a thing.

    Not to mention the tons of hitbox problems and what not he has.
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    #1881 Posted: 00:58:02 02/09/2015
    Mewtwo up move is pretty powerful.
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    #1882 Posted: 01:04:12 02/09/2015
    Quote: skylandersspyro
    Mewtwo up move is pretty powerful.



    There's quite a few up moves.
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    #1883 Posted: 01:05:30 02/09/2015
    Quote: Mesuxelf
    Quote: skylandersspyro
    Mewtwo up move is pretty powerful.



    There's quite a few up moves.


    I think he means that insanely broken up tilt
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    #1884 Posted: 01:05:44 02/09/2015
    Quote: skylandersspyro
    Mewtwo up move is pretty powerful.



    His Up B is so powerful. >.>
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    #1885 Posted: 01:10:58 02/09/2015
    Quote: I-Brawler
    Quote: Mesuxelf
    Quote: skylandersspyro
    Mewtwo up move is pretty powerful.



    There's quite a few up moves.


    I think he means that insanely broken up tilt



    i know.It needs a fix.
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    #1886 Posted: 01:19:44 02/09/2015
    Mewtwo's Up Tilt is broken but not in the "it's good for Mewtwo" kinda way. The hitboxes don't even nearly match the length of the animation.
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    #1887 Posted: 02:07:37 02/09/2015
    Also, any clue on why Donkey Kong is so high up?
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    #1888 Posted: 02:13:58 02/09/2015
    Because Reddit loves le expand dong meme.
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    #1889 Posted: 02:16:23 02/09/2015
    Quote: somePerson
    Quote: MugoUrth
    Quote: somePerson
    Sheik is always good. D: But who would anybody use her smash attacks to kill? If you rely on smash attacks to get a majority of your kills then you are a casual.



    She literally has nothing else, though. I find it odd that people can complain about minor things like "Oh, that character's too big" or "that character's slow" or "that character can do over 20% of damage with a single attack but can't combo" yet a MAJOR thing like a character having no means of actually winning is what people forgive.



    If a character is too big or slow then they will get punished easily leading to their deaths. Hitting a single attack that does 20% shouldn't be you main source of damage. Plus those moves are hard to hit and can be punished easily.(Warlock punch, rest, etc) They should primarily be used for taking stocks instead. Combos can do more than 20% if you play your cards right and won't take as much work to connect it. It's not like Sheik is in the finals in the majority of every major ssb4 tourney. >.> You are the true definition of a casual Brawl player.



    Being big and slow is ONLY a big deal if you're a complete idiot. If you're REALLY good at playing, you can work around it.

    Because Warlock punch and smash attacks are the only way to easily deal 20% without combos. Some of the really strong characters like Bowser and Ganondorf can deal quick and easy damage, as well as KO early.

    Comboes take an EXCRUCIATING amount of work, and while they can do a lot of damage, alone they cannot kill opponents. Sheik also has to use a LOT of combos before she can even remotely KO opponents. She "supposedly" has other ways to kill opponents, but mostly they work if your opponent is a complete idiot, and her arial moves that SUPPOSEDLY kill opponents kill them very late.

    Also, I am NOT a casual player. I am highly competitive. I play every single day, Omega stage, no items, EXACTLY the way as it is for Glory matches. I play constantly to train and get better for online matches so that I can be the best player I can be. However, I have constantly played as some really crappy characters like Diddy Kong, Sonic and Shiek to see what the heck people see in them, and I have found them to ultimately be WAY more trouble than their worth. The Shiek players in those tournaments are either god-like players with almost flawless skills or they fight a bunch of scrubs who can't play.
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    #1890 Posted: 02:21:43 02/09/2015
    Quote: MugoUrth
    Quote: somePerson
    Quote: MugoUrth



    She literally has nothing else, though. I find it odd that people can complain about minor things like "Oh, that character's too big" or "that character's slow" or "that character can do over 20% of damage with a single attack but can't combo" yet a MAJOR thing like a character having no means of actually winning is what people forgive.



    If a character is too big or slow then they will get punished easily leading to their deaths. Hitting a single attack that does 20% shouldn't be you main source of damage. Plus those moves are hard to hit and can be punished easily.(Warlock punch, rest, etc) They should primarily be used for taking stocks instead. Combos can do more than 20% if you play your cards right and won't take as much work to connect it. It's not like Sheik is in the finals in the majority of every major ssb4 tourney. >.> You are the true definition of a casual Brawl player.



    Being big and slow is ONLY a big deal if you're a complete idiot. If you're REALLY good at playing, you can work around it.

    Because Warlock punch and smash attacks are the only way to easily deal 20% without combos. Some of the really strong characters like Bowser and Ganondorf can deal quick and easy damage, as well as KO early.

    Comboes take an EXCRUCIATING amount of work, and while they can do a lot of damage, alone they cannot kill opponents. Sheik also has to use a LOT of combos before she can even remotely KO opponents. She "supposedly" has other ways to kill opponents, but mostly they work if your opponent is a complete idiot, and her arial moves that SUPPOSEDLY kill opponents kill them very late.

    Also, I am NOT a casual player. I am highly competitive. I play every single day, Omega stage, no items, EXACTLY the way as it is for Glory matches. I play constantly to train and get better for online matches so that I can be the best player I can be. However, I have constantly played as some really crappy characters like Diddy Kong, Sonic and Shiek to see what the heck people see in them, and I have found them to ultimately be WAY more trouble than their worth. The Shiek players in those tournaments are either god-like players with almost flawless skills or they fight a bunch of scrubs who can't play.



    Oh you only play on Omega stages. You are a For Glory casual. Sorry for the mistake. :c
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    #1891 Posted: 02:27:52 02/09/2015
    Quote:
    Because Warlock punch and smash attacks are the only way to easily deal 20% without combos.


    I regularly deal over 40% by catching opponents in between Rosalina & Luma's endless jab. It literally requires I hold A for a few seconds.

    Rosalina can also easily deal over 20% using her pummels in a grab and then throwing. Her throws all deal 9-12%, IIRC. Pummels deal 2%.

    And honestly most combos in Smash 4 are super easy and often lead to early, confirmed KO's.

    Also, playing FG rules =/= competitive. Tournaments don't use FG rules.
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    #1892 Posted: 02:36:01 02/09/2015
    Quote: Mrmorrises
    Also, any clue on why Donkey Kong is so high up?




    Nah he just bribed with his dong.
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    #1893 Posted: 02:37:39 02/09/2015
    Quote: somePerson
    Quote: MugoUrth
    Quote: somePerson



    If a character is too big or slow then they will get punished easily leading to their deaths. Hitting a single attack that does 20% shouldn't be you main source of damage. Plus those moves are hard to hit and can be punished easily.(Warlock punch, rest, etc) They should primarily be used for taking stocks instead. Combos can do more than 20% if you play your cards right and won't take as much work to connect it. It's not like Sheik is in the finals in the majority of every major ssb4 tourney. >.> You are the true definition of a casual Brawl player.



    Being big and slow is ONLY a big deal if you're a complete idiot. If you're REALLY good at playing, you can work around it.

    Because Warlock punch and smash attacks are the only way to easily deal 20% without combos. Some of the really strong characters like Bowser and Ganondorf can deal quick and easy damage, as well as KO early.

    Comboes take an EXCRUCIATING amount of work, and while they can do a lot of damage, alone they cannot kill opponents. Sheik also has to use a LOT of combos before she can even remotely KO opponents. She "supposedly" has other ways to kill opponents, but mostly they work if your opponent is a complete idiot, and her arial moves that SUPPOSEDLY kill opponents kill them very late.

    Also, I am NOT a casual player. I am highly competitive. I play every single day, Omega stage, no items, EXACTLY the way as it is for Glory matches. I play constantly to train and get better for online matches so that I can be the best player I can be. However, I have constantly played as some really crappy characters like Diddy Kong, Sonic and Shiek to see what the heck people see in them, and I have found them to ultimately be WAY more trouble than their worth. The Shiek players in those tournaments are either god-like players with almost flawless skills or they fight a bunch of scrubs who can't play.



    Oh you only play on Omega stages. You are a For Glory casual. Sorry for the mistake. :c



    I'M NOT A CASUAL PLAYER!

    I also play with alt-moves quite a lot to switch things up, as well as creating challenge modes like KOing an opponent five times before losing losing a single life. I'm always trying to improve my skills with my mains, as well as characters I'm not good with.


    Quote: sonicbrawler182
    Quote:
    Because Warlock punch and smash attacks are the only way to easily deal 20% without combos.


    I regularly deal over 40% by catching opponents in between Rosalina & Luma's endless jab. It literally requires I hold A for a few seconds.

    Rosalina can also easily deal over 20% using her pummels in a grab and then throwing. Her throws all deal 9-12%, IIRC. Pummels deal 2%.

    And honestly most combos in Smash 4 are super easy and often lead to early, confirmed KO's.

    Also, playing FG rules =/= competitive. Tournaments don't use FG rules.


    If you were to tell me that Rosie/Luma was S tier, I would not argue. Shiek is NOT S tier. I've fought her a lot of times, and while I did have problems fighting her at first, I eventually learned to adapt to her style and I generally don't lose to her even with big characters. I mean, I'm not a god player, but I'm still pretty good on a good day.

    Like I said, I don't always play FG rules.
    somePerson Diamond Sparx Gems: 8399
    #1894 Posted: 02:39:56 02/09/2015
    Quote: MugoUrth
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    Being big and slow is ONLY a big deal if you're a complete idiot. If you're REALLY good at playing, you can work around it.

    Because Warlock punch and smash attacks are the only way to easily deal 20% without combos. Some of the really strong characters like Bowser and Ganondorf can deal quick and easy damage, as well as KO early.

    Comboes take an EXCRUCIATING amount of work, and while they can do a lot of damage, alone they cannot kill opponents. Sheik also has to use a LOT of combos before she can even remotely KO opponents. She "supposedly" has other ways to kill opponents, but mostly they work if your opponent is a complete idiot, and her arial moves that SUPPOSEDLY kill opponents kill them very late.

    Also, I am NOT a casual player. I am highly competitive. I play every single day, Omega stage, no items, EXACTLY the way as it is for Glory matches. I play constantly to train and get better for online matches so that I can be the best player I can be. However, I have constantly played as some really crappy characters like Diddy Kong, Sonic and Shiek to see what the heck people see in them, and I have found them to ultimately be WAY more trouble than their worth. The Shiek players in those tournaments are either god-like players with almost flawless skills or they fight a bunch of scrubs who can't play.



    Oh you only play on Omega stages. You are a For Glory casual. Sorry for the mistake. :c



    I'M NOT A CASUAL PLAYER!

    I also play with alt-moves quite a lot to switch things up, as well as creating challenge modes like KOing an opponent five times before losing losing a single life. I'm always trying to improve my skills with my mains, as well as characters I'm not good with.


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    Because Warlock punch and smash attacks are the only way to easily deal 20% without combos.


    I regularly deal over 40% by catching opponents in between Rosalina & Luma's endless jab. It literally requires I hold A for a few seconds.

    Rosalina can also easily deal over 20% using her pummels in a grab and then throwing. Her throws all deal 9-12%, IIRC. Pummels deal 2%.

    And honestly most combos in Smash 4 are super easy and often lead to early, confirmed KO's.

    Also, playing FG rules =/= competitive. Tournaments don't use FG rules.


    If you were to tell me that Rosie/Luma was S tier, I would not argue. Shiek is NOT S tier. I've fought her a lot of times, and while I did have problems fighting her at first, I eventually learned to adapt to her style and I generally don't lose to her even with big characters. I mean, I'm not a god player, but I'm still pretty good on a good day.

    Like I said, I don't always play FG rules.



    You play on 3DS. There aren't that many good players on 3DS For Glory. You also said you played every day with FG rules.
    LunarDistortion Ripto Gems: 3606
    #1895 Posted: 02:43:28 02/09/2015
    Quote: FireMeowth
    Well, they probably won't make a decision from the ballot before it has finished in October, and we know that characters take several months to make. Spring 2016 sounds very likely for a fighter from the ballot. I think we'll get at least one more character before that, though - I also don't imagine they've just been resting since completing Roy, Ryu and Lucas.



    Sakurai has said he oversees the ballot votes, so I can't imagine them wasting four months doing nothing ballot-related even though by the time Roy, Ryu, and Lucas came out, they would have already had a few standout characters in the ballot. They've shown they can work on multiple DLC fighters at once, so I wouldn't even be surprised if the ballot fighter came with Wolf as another pre-ballot character they've been working on to release in time for Star Fox Zero.
    MugoUrth Ripto Gems: 3234
    #1896 Posted: 03:05:32 02/09/2015
    Quote: somePerson

    You play on 3DS. There aren't that many good players on 3DS For Glory. You also said you played every day with FG rules.


    So? That doesn't make me a "Casual player." Believe me, I HAVE played some very good players on the 3DS though. I'd argue I'm about average when it comes to skill, but I still consider average to be pretty decent.
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    TacoMakerSkys Platinum Sparx Gems: 5652
    #1897 Posted: 03:39:33 02/09/2015 | Topic Creator
    Quote: MugoUrth
    Quote: somePerson

    You play on 3DS. There aren't that many good players on 3DS For Glory. You also said you played every day with FG rules.


    So? That doesn't make me a "Casual player." Believe me, I HAVE played some very good players on the 3DS though. I'd argue I'm about average when it comes to skill, but I still consider average to be pretty decent.



    filthy casual
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    somePerson Diamond Sparx Gems: 8399
    #1898 Posted: 03:42:45 02/09/2015
    New meta announced! Move over 20XX because this is the new next thing.
    MugoUrth Ripto Gems: 3234
    #1899 Posted: 05:11:56 02/09/2015
    Quote: TacoMakerSkys
    Quote: MugoUrth
    Quote: somePerson

    You play on 3DS. There aren't that many good players on 3DS For Glory. You also said you played every day with FG rules.


    So? That doesn't make me a "Casual player." Believe me, I HAVE played some very good players on the 3DS though. I'd argue I'm about average when it comes to skill, but I still consider average to be pretty decent.



    filthy casual



    Dude, shut up. Seriously, internet=/=excuse to be a jerk and/or hide behind "lol im joking".

    BTW, I remember when MetaKnight used to be considered one of the worst in this game, but over time he became more ballanced and usefull. What things ultimately seperate him then from now?
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    I-Brawler Emerald Sparx Gems: 3565
    #1900 Posted: 10:59:46 02/09/2015
    Quote: MugoUrth
    If you were to tell me that Rosie/Luma was S tier, I would not argue. Shiek is NOT S tier. I've fought her a lot of times, and while I did have problems fighting her at first, I eventually learned to adapt to her style and I generally don't lose to her even with big characters. I mean, I'm not a god player, but I'm still pretty good on a good day.

    Like I said, I don't always play FG rules.




    *politely shoves in your face*
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