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THIS ANIMAL IS UNHAPPY AND IT'S STRESSED!

Meanwhile, said animal is being treated like a king in an enclosure that is large, resembles their environment and gets fed daily.

Yeah, but what about the animals that are mistreated in carnivals? I don't agree with zoo's either and haven't been since I was nine. Keeping animals locked up and not in their natural habitat is wrong.

*cough*hunting is not a skill and is disgusting*cough*

To be honest. I eat meat, even though the cow or any other animal might have been tortured for it. But I don't feel the guilt because those are domestic animals that we breed. That pretty over populated. Now if the meat given was actually deer something that is not really domestically breed for our food resource. I would feel incredibly guilty. Because that deer has a small population than compared to most domestic animals we breed. I mean I do feel somewhat bad for any animal being abused, but for me it's depending on that animal's population.

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*cough*hunting is not a skill and is disgusting*cough*

Scenario: A small village community in Africa thrives totally on agriculture. The only animals in abundance nearby are zebras and gazelles.

If people hunt: Zebra & gazelle population is kept in check. Since the villagers grow most of their food, there's no need to over-hunt for meat, so the species are still kept at reasonable numbers. Of course, some of the elder men will probably want to collect zebra hide and gazelle horns as trophies, but unless they have technologically advanced hunting equipment, this is unlikely to become a serious problem.

If people don't hunt: Zebra & gazelle populations boom. Overgrazing occurs, which damages the soil and prevents crops from growing. The villagers experience a famine, which leads to chronic malnutrition and greater vulnerability to diseases. Also, competition for food causes a large amount of the zebras and gazelles to die in a short amount of time, drastically reducing the populations. Natural selection has to take over, and there's sure to be some mutations in the species.


Which outcome is more disgusting?


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To be honest. I eat meat, even though the cow or any other animal might have been tortured for it. But I don't feel the guilt because those are domestic animals that we breed. That pretty over populated. Now if the meat given was actually deer something that is not really domestically breed for our food resource. I would feel incredibly guilty. Because that deer has a small population than compared to most domestic animals we breed. I mean I do feel somewhat bad for any animal being abused, but for me it's depending on that animal's population.

If there was no hunting, there would be more deer in Europe and the United States than people.....

Edit: Alright, I've woken up enough *rolls sleeves up*

I'm just gonna go through each section about animal rights issues and kinda go from there.

Zoos: I think that's what OP was mostly aiming for, but let me just say that not all zoos are great, and I doubt animals are always happy, even if they do seem to be receiving good treatment. While I don't particularly agree with zoos, I will admit that they can be beneficial, as some of you had previously mentioned. However, a lot of the ones I've seen aren't good for them. Take elephants for example, and I'll probably use them a lot since I know more about them than other animals, one elephant alone will walk for miles in one day. Most zoos I've seen will put in two or three in like a one or two acre enclosure. Animals aren't creatures that are meant to be gawked at all day. If these people want to do it for conservation purposes, create a sanctuary, one that isn't open to the public. Otherwise, they're doing it for the people, or rather for the money, not for the animals.

Circuses: I don't even know where to begin with this one... For one thing, I just wanna say that I don't think animals should even be used for our entertainment. I suppose that could make me a "hypocrite" since people use animals in movies and I want to go into the movie industry.. But really, circuses and movies are pretty different. The fact that these animals are forced to travel from city to city, all the time, and they are stuck in even smaller enclosures than they are in zoos, while chained up. And then the trainers will use improper methods of training, like bullhooks and other ****. And you know, the animals aren't always born into it. These people will literally go to Africa, or wherever they get the animals, depending on what kind of animal, and basically kidnap them from the wild as babies. I'm not too sure if they still do that today but it's not exactly a super old practice either. They are forced to do all of these acts that they more than likely would not do if they were in the wild, and they have to do it in front of all of these ugly people who are smiling and laughing at them. It's humiliating. It's slavery. There have even been news stories of elephants going on a rampage and lions attacking their trainers. Why do you think that is? Circuses usually use female elephants because they aren't as temperamental, and even in the wild they don't usually show aggression unless they feel threatened, yet here they are running through towns and killing a few people? It's maddening to them.

Fur: Okay, we aren't living in the freaking stone ages anymore. People only want to wear fur because it's "stylish." Tell me exactly how a dead animal is stylish? The poor thing was probably tortured and then killed just so that you can look nice and rich. No. **** no.

Hunting/Poaching: I mean, I understand that people do it to keep the population down and for the meat, but I still don't like it. And it really bothers me when a lot of people do it for the head or the antlers or something. And then they'll take pictures of it, as if they're proud. "Look at the innocent life I just destroyed!" "What a beautiful animal, I'm glad I killed it so it can go on my wall!" I mean, people would freak the **** out if it was a dog or a cat, but anything else they don't seem to care.
As for poaching, the only reason why people do it is for the money. People will destroy innocent lives just to make a few bucks.. well, it's a lot more than a few, but..... And the fact that the animals they're poaching are already endangered, and it's because of them? Just for money?!
They see it as a "sport." How is killing something a sport? Disgusting.

Meat: I can't say much about this since I'm guilty of eating them, too. However, they don't have to put the animals through hell while waiting to be killed. Those slaughter houses aren't nice at all. And the fact that they go through all of that, and then lose their lives, just to feed me... I dunno about y'all, but I always feel extremely guilty.

General abuse: If someone is abusing they're pet or any other animal in any way, they just don't need one. Whether they're starving them, beating, leaving outside in extreme weather, ignoring, dog fights, etc. They should not be allowed to have an animal, or even children for that matter, and just be sent to jail for awhile.


I think that's it...

I've stuck by this for years, so don't expect me to change my mind just because you might not agree.

Dude, swearing that much isn't cool man.
i had to get that out. watch this video and if u dont feel sorry then go **** urself

Dude, swearing that much isn't cool man.
i had to get that out. watch this video and if u dont feel sorry then go **** urself

What bothers me is when people are so caring to animals to the point where they're perfectly ok with disregarding people or claim all humans are garbage.

Like, there are people out there that will see someone being abused and think "that's bad" but if it's a cat "HOLY **** HUMANS SUCK SO BAD WHY ARE THEY SO STUPID". Kinda off topic but it's a pet peeve.

I understand you care about animals but get off your ****ing high horse about hating humans as if you aren't one.

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What bothers me is when people are so caring to animals to the point where they're perfectly ok with disregarding people or claim all humans are garbage.

Like, there are people out there that will see someone being abused and think "that's bad" but if it's a cat "HOLY **** HUMANS SUCK SO BAD WHY ARE THEY SO STUPID". Kinda off topic but it's a pet peeve.

I understand you care about animals but get off your ****ing high horse about hating humans as if you aren't one.

Would you believe I don't want to be a human? I'm stuck as one and I'm not about to end my life, but I still don't want to be a human. With what you said in mind, I cringe no matter who or what gets abused.

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What bothers me is when people are so caring to animals to the point where they're perfectly ok with disregarding people or claim all humans are garbage.

Like, there are people out there that will see someone being abused and think "that's bad" but if it's a cat "HOLY **** HUMANS SUCK SO BAD WHY ARE THEY SO STUPID". Kinda off topic but it's a pet peeve.

I understand you care about animals but get off your ****ing high horse about hating humans as if you aren't one.

Would you believe I don't want to be a human? I'm stuck as one and I'm not about to end my life, but I still don't want to be a human. With what you said in mind, I cringe no matter who or what gets abused.

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What bothers me is when people are so caring to animals to the point where they're perfectly ok with disregarding people or claim all humans are garbage.

Like, there are people out there that will see someone being abused and think "that's bad" but if it's a cat "HOLY **** HUMANS SUCK SO BAD WHY ARE THEY SO STUPID". Kinda off topic but it's a pet peeve.

I understand you care about animals but get off your ****ing high horse about hating humans as if you aren't one.

Would you believe I don't want to be a human? I'm stuck as one and I'm not about to end my life, but I still don't want to be a human. With what you said in mind, I cringe no matter who or what gets abused.

What's wrong with being the dominant species of the planet with not only an intelligent mind, but thumbs to put that mind to use?

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Would you believe I don't want to be a human? I'm stuck as one and I'm not about to end my life, but I still don't want to be a human. With what you said in mind, I cringe no matter who or what gets abused.

What's wrong with being the dominant species of the planet with not only an intelligent mind, but thumbs to put that mind to use?

Maybe the fact that we may be responsible for so many problems in the world with the curse of our intelligence. Oh, and can't forget about the dinos, had it not been for the meteor, they might have still been alive.

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What's wrong with being the dominant species of the planet with not only an intelligent mind, but thumbs to put that mind to use?

Maybe the fact that we may be responsible for so many problems in the world with the curse of our intelligence. Oh, and can't forget about the dinos, had it not been for the meteor, they might have still been alive.

Instead of ripping on humans for all the bad we've done with our intelligence, why don't you do some good with yours to set a better example?

If you hate something, don't attack it; outdo it.

Yeah, but what about the animals that are mistreated in carnivals? I don't agree with zoo's either and haven't been since I was nine. Keeping animals locked up and not in their natural habitat is wrong.

Edit: Alright, I've woken up enough *rolls sleeves up*

I'm just gonna go through each section about animal rights issues and kinda go from there.

Zoos: I think that's what OP was mostly aiming for, but let me just say that not all zoos are great, and I doubt animals are always happy, even if they do seem to be receiving good treatment. While I don't particularly agree with zoos, I will admit that they can be beneficial, as some of you had previously mentioned. However, a lot of the ones I've seen aren't good for them. Take elephants for example, and I'll probably use them a lot since I know more about them than other animals, one elephant alone will walk for miles in one day. Most zoos I've seen will put in two or three in like a one or two acre enclosure. Animals aren't creatures that are meant to be gawked at all day. If these people want to do it for conservation purposes, create a sanctuary, one that isn't open to the public. Otherwise, they're doing it for the people, or rather for the money, not for the animals.

Circuses: I don't even know where to begin with this one... For one thing, I just wanna say that I don't think animals should even be used for our entertainment. I suppose that could make me a "hypocrite" since people use animals in movies and I want to go into the movie industry.. But really, circuses and movies are pretty different. The fact that these animals are forced to travel from city to city, all the time, and they are stuck in even smaller enclosures than they are in zoos, while chained up. And then the trainers will use improper methods of training, like bullhooks and other ****. And you know, the animals aren't always born into it. These people will literally go to Africa, or wherever they get the animals, depending on what kind of animal, and basically kidnap them from the wild as babies. I'm not too sure if they still do that today but it's not exactly a super old practice either. They are forced to do all of these acts that they more than likely would not do if they were in the wild, and they have to do it in front of all of these ugly people who are smiling and laughing at them. It's humiliating. It's slavery. There have even been news stories of elephants going on a rampage and lions attacking their trainers. Why do you think that is? Circuses usually use female elephants because they aren't as temperamental, and even in the wild they don't usually show aggression unless they feel threatened, yet here they are running through towns and killing a few people? It's maddening to them.

Fur: Okay, we aren't living in the freaking stone ages anymore. People only want to wear fur because it's "stylish." Tell me exactly how a dead animal is stylish? The poor thing was probably tortured and then killed just so that you can look nice and rich. No. **** no.

Hunting/Poaching: I mean, I understand that people do it to keep the population down and for the meat, but I still don't like it. And it really bothers me when a lot of people do it for the head or the antlers or something. And then they'll take pictures of it, as if they're proud. "Look at the innocent life I just destroyed!" "What a beautiful animal, I'm glad I killed it so it can go on my wall!" I mean, people would freak the **** out if it was a dog or a cat, but anything else they don't seem to care.
As for poaching, the only reason why people do it is for the money. People will destroy innocent lives just to make a few bucks.. well, it's a lot more than a few, but..... And the fact that the animals they're poaching are already endangered, and it's because of them? Just for money?!
They see it as a "sport." How is killing something a sport? Disgusting.

Meat: I can't say much about this since I'm guilty of eating them, too. However, they don't have to put the animals through hell while waiting to be killed. Those slaughter houses aren't nice at all. And the fact that they go through all of that, and then lose their lives, just to feed me... I dunno about y'all, but I always feel extremely guilty.

General abuse: If someone is abusing they're pet or any other animal in any way, they just don't need one. Whether they're starving them, beating, leaving outside in extreme weather, ignoring, dog fights, etc. They should not be allowed to have an animal, or even children for that matter, and just be sent to jail for awhile.


I think that's it...

I've stuck by this for years, so don't expect me to change my mind just because you might not agree.

*cough*hunting is not a skill and is disgusting*cough*

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*cough*hunting is not a skill and is disgusting*cough*

you understand the human hunting in many areas has become part of the ecosystem, right?

human hunting can be just as important as other predators to prevent overpopulation to the point that the species goes extinct.

if all humans in the world suddenly stopped hunting, whitetail deer, for instance, would definitely go extinct in most of the world simply from overpopulation, which is why we have mandated hunting seasons. and if one species in an ecosystem goes extinct, a ****load of other species will too.

tl;dr- your ignorance of ecology is going to kill more animals than you could ever hope to save

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*cough*hunting is not a skill and is disgusting*cough*

you understand the human hunting in many areas has become part of the ecosystem, right?

human hunting can be just as important as other predators to prevent overpopulation to the point that the species goes extinct.

if all humans in the world suddenly stopped hunting, whitetail deer, for instance, would definitely go extinct in most of the world simply from overpopulation, which is why we have mandated hunting seasons. and if one species in an ecosystem goes extinct, a ****load of other species will too.

tl;dr- your ignorance of ecology is going to kill more animals than you could ever hope to save

Also I just want to point out that I think it's wrong to make dogs do all the work while the "hunters" sit in their trucks, waiting for the dogs to run the deer out of the woods so they can shoot. I've seen the way they treat their dogs too, and it disgusts me.

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Also I just want to point out that I think it's wrong to make dogs do all the work while the "hunters" sit in their trucks, waiting for the dogs to run the deer out of the woods so they can shoot. I've seen the way they treat their dogs too, and it disgusts me.

Everyone I know with hunting dogs loves them like family, so I guess we have different experiences.

You probably just saw some few bad examples.